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If I have to be honest, at the moment I wouldn't mind if Goofs guncrafting PR is closed, and someone else picks the pieces up in the future and actually makes a working, balanced, and not-fucking-buggy system.Goof Gunsmithing
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Fuck you and die, old buddy old pal Firecage. I
"Wah wah it's unbalanced"
"Balance is shit and I hate it but okay fine I'll offload the balance to someone who knows what they're doing"
"I'm a whiny bitch who doesn't like change or compromise, so I'm going to demand it be closed anyways"
Fuck off to Bay already.
"Wah wah it's unbalanced"
"Balance is shit and I hate it but okay fine I'll offload the balance to someone who knows what they're doing"
"I'm a whiny bitch who doesn't like change or compromise, so I'm going to demand it be closed anyways"
Fuck off to Bay already.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
We need to stop merging Goof's asinine projects until he actually fixes and balances them. I realize that testmerges are intended to highlight issues and get community feedback, but it's quite clear that:
A: Goof doesn't care about balance or bugfixes:
B: Goof cannot take feedback in any way, shape or form:
A: Goof doesn't care about balance or bugfixes:
I mean, christ, he's literally saying that he doesn't give a shit how unbalanced the game is as a result of his changes. "let's cater to a select few people to ruin the experience for everyone else".iamgoofball wrote:you can't balance ss13 btw
i'd rather cater to the /k/ nuts who enjoy their time just doing the memes than people arguing balance
B: Goof cannot take feedback in any way, shape or form:
Read: "IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE SO I MIGHT AS WELL RUIN IT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, RIGHT?"iamgoofball wrote:i think you all forget that R&D is completed within 5 minutes and materials are gathered within 5 minutes and that any and all progression in this game doesn't matter because it will be QoL'd out of existance
Good thing he can take criticism. Why are we still pandering to this petulant child?iamgoofball wrote:Fuck you and die, old buddy old pal Firecage.
DemonFiren wrote:>it's another goof tantrum episode
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
We're pandering to this petulant child because the division between server and codebase is absolute.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
The petulant child tried to fix an exploit, didn't test which caused it to be entirely fucked, and ma44 didn't test it either. Good work gents.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
A. He's saying that because analyzing even the departments you can see there's an intrinsic unbalance. Medbay can't blow up stuff like science can, nor can science plasma flood like Atmos can. Weapons like laser guns and tasers are unbalanced not because of damage but because tasers and stuns are king in this game.
B. Absolutely false. Read the thread rather than sit on firecage's dick. He's been told by multiple players what needs to be changed and he acknowledged them because they wrote like a normal person rather than going "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck u goof reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" right off the bat.
Anyone would be mad if they were told their features are shit and they should just be closed rather than using the thread to post feedback so it can be fixed/improved.
B. Absolutely false. Read the thread rather than sit on firecage's dick. He's been told by multiple players what needs to be changed and he acknowledged them because they wrote like a normal person rather than going "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck u goof reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" right off the bat.
Anyone would be mad if they were told their features are shit and they should just be closed rather than using the thread to post feedback so it can be fixed/improved.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
I almost took you for someone worth listening to, why did you have to change your avatar.
Anyway, fixed one of your bugs goof. Ma4's got a PR up. I only did this to spare the admins the shitstorm from your testmerges.
Anyway, fixed one of your bugs goof. Ma4's got a PR up. I only did this to spare the admins the shitstorm from your testmerges.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
(ok)firecage wrote:If I have to be honest, at the moment I wouldn't mind if Goofs guncrafting PR is closed, and someone else picks the pieces up in the future and actually makes a working, balanced, and not-fucking-buggy system.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Sorry, but I would rather NOT have a buggy unbalanced mess permamerged again like Goofchem was. And unless I forgot, he doesn't care about balance either, so no, he barely listens to a thing anyone says. And christ, I remember goof kitchen, that was a mess to. And then he tried to make Goofmedbay. I wanted to instead go play on Bay during that testmerge.D&B wrote:A. He's saying that because analyzing even the departments you can see there's an intrinsic unbalance. Medbay can't blow up stuff like science can, nor can science plasma flood like Atmos can. Weapons like laser guns and tasers are unbalanced not because of damage but because tasers and stuns are king in this game.
B. Absolutely false. Read the thread rather than sit on firecage's dick. He's been told by multiple players what needs to be changed and he acknowledged them because they wrote like a normal person rather than going "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck u goof reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" right off the bat.
Anyone would be mad if they were told their features are shit and they should just be closed rather than using the thread to post feedback so it can be fixed/improved.
Perhaps you should stop riding Goof's dick? Besides, I doubt anyone is riding mine, probably a bit on the small side to have any influence.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
firecage wrote:Sorry, but I would rather NOT have a buggy unbalanced mess permamerged again like Goofchem was. And unless I forgot, he doesn't care about balance either, so no, he barely listens to a thing anyone says. And christ, I remember goof kitchen, that was a mess to. And then he tried to make Goofmedbay. I wanted to instead go play on Bay during that testmerge.D&B wrote:A. He's saying that because analyzing even the departments you can see there's an intrinsic unbalance. Medbay can't blow up stuff like science can, nor can science plasma flood like Atmos can. Weapons like laser guns and tasers are unbalanced not because of damage but because tasers and stuns are king in this game.
B. Absolutely false. Read the thread rather than sit on firecage's dick. He's been told by multiple players what needs to be changed and he acknowledged them because they wrote like a normal person rather than going "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck u goof reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" right off the bat.
Anyone would be mad if they were told their features are shit and they should just be closed rather than using the thread to post feedback so it can be fixed/improved.
Perhaps you should stop riding Goof's dick? Besides, I doubt anyone is riding mine, probably a bit on the small side to have any influence.
It's more productive to actually give actual feedback and work with the coder rather than insult them at every chance and thread. Even more so with game mechanics being worked on.
And you must be either selectively reading or blind, people have told him in this very thread stuff that should be fixed and I've read his responses and course of action.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
it's almost like there's two shit players shitposting about a shit coder's shit codeimblyings wrote:wew lad
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Play the game and read the post above mine
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
I have to give demonfiren/shadow/ma44/Kevin props because they actually state specifically what is wrong and provide legit feedback, and even go as far to suggest potential fixes
Firecage just says "ugh close it"
Firecage just says "ugh close it"
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Atleast he's trying to make a, generally unfun role, F U N.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
goofs done more coding and spent more time on this codebase than you faggots have
dog piling him because you have to have a perfectly balanced absolutely equal game and not anything that remotely resembles fun for anyone involved is cancer and you should feel cancer.
literally kill yourself, we wouldn't have half the shit we have on this server if goof hadn't meme'd it into existance one day.
also you should totally send me a master folder with gunsmithing attached so i can give a shot at sprites and other assorted shit
dog piling him because you have to have a perfectly balanced absolutely equal game and not anything that remotely resembles fun for anyone involved is cancer and you should feel cancer.
literally kill yourself, we wouldn't have half the shit we have on this server if goof hadn't meme'd it into existance one day.
also you should totally send me a master folder with gunsmithing attached so i can give a shot at sprites and other assorted shit
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Fuck off Oxford.John_Oxford wrote:goofs done more coding and spent more time on this codebase than you faggots have
dog piling him because you have to have a perfectly balanced absolutely equal game and not anything that remotely resembles fun for anyone involved is cancer and you should feel cancer.
literally kill yourself, we wouldn't have half the shit we have on this server if goof hadn't meme'd it into existance one day.
also you should totally send me a master folder with gunsmithing attached so i can give a shot at sprites and other assorted shit
Do you really think we didn't try giving feedback calmly only to be brushed off?
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Its good to see that literally nothing has changed in my small vacation.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
go back to lifewebcedarbridge wrote:Its good to see that literally nothing has changed in my small vacation.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
i don't agree that balance matters so what's wrong with me offloading it onto someone else
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Terrible bait apply yourselfJohn_Oxford wrote:goofs done more coding and spent more time on this codebase than you faggots have
dog piling him because you have to have a perfectly balanced absolutely equal game and not anything that remotely resembles fun for anyone involved is cancer and you should feel cancer.
literally kill yourself, we wouldn't have half the shit we have on this server if goof hadn't meme'd it into existance one day.
also you should totally send me a master folder with gunsmithing attached so i can give a shot at sprites and other assorted shit
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
What you saidiamgoofball wrote:you can't balance ss13 btw
i'd rather cater to the /k/ nuts who enjoy their time just doing the memes than people arguing balance
What I heard
"I'd rather not get my pr merged rather than just making sure it's in a state where the maintainers who are already quite unsure about the change are happy to merge it"
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
the goofball giveth and the goofball taketh away
perhaps the end of le shit on goofball memes will come soon from this
perhaps the end of le shit on goofball memes will come soon from this
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
to get it to a state that it would be merged without people complaining about balance would involve stripping out all the weapon customization to the point of "why bother even having the code in the first place"oranges wrote:What you saidiamgoofball wrote:you can't balance ss13 btw
i'd rather cater to the /k/ nuts who enjoy their time just doing the memes than people arguing balance
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Can we get back to actually discussing how to balance this? The base mechanics work fine, we're wasting time talking about that.
Capacity upgrades need to be severely nerfed or removed entirely, considering that nearly everything can be balanced by making it consume an ungodly amount of power. Some parts should also be mutually exclusive. I don't like the idea of a speed sniper or an automatic taser.
Capacity upgrades need to be severely nerfed or removed entirely, considering that nearly everything can be balanced by making it consume an ungodly amount of power. Some parts should also be mutually exclusive. I don't like the idea of a speed sniper or an automatic taser.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
>Speed sniper
Snipers should be fast
>Automatic taser
Trading accuracy for spam is fine
Snipers should be fast
>Automatic taser
Trading accuracy for spam is fine
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Maybe if goof didn't brush people off, shit on people for suggesting changes, and open repeated, aggressive meme PRs when hes unhappy about the direction of the codebase, people wouldn't feel like throwing shit back.PKPenguin321 wrote:the goofball giveth and the goofball taketh away
perhaps the end of le shit on goofball memes will come soon from this
Funnily enough, you get back what you put into a conversation, and in goofs case he tends to put in flippancy, arrogance and outright temper tantrums, so he doesn't really get back respect, understanding and patience.
Reminder of some great goof moments from just the last couple of months:
In which Goof flips out about catears and opens the same pull 3 times, twice with merge conflicts and during a feature freeze just to really drive home the lack of actual interest.
In which Goof tries to subvert a player poll and headmin decision because only his opinion matters
In which Goof tries to remove shuttles because he disagrees with administrators ruling regarding them.
In which Goof would rather let an entire set of features die rather then seperate out the questionable features into seperate pulls per a request by maintainer.
And I'm actively ignoring the PRs that are literally just "lets hamfist in a meme reference".
Realistically, anyone other then goof who pulled the same shit would most likely be codebase banned. The fact that he isn't probably speaks well of the features he has implemented, but it doesn't mean everyone should have to grin and bear it when goof comes back with:
iamgoofball wrote:Fuck you and die, old buddy old pal Firecage. I
"Wah wah it's unbalanced"
"Balance is shit and I hate it but okay fine I'll offload the balance to someone who knows what they're doing"
"I'm a whiny bitch who doesn't like change or compromise, so I'm going to demand it be closed anyways"
Fuck off to Bay already.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Fair point with the sniper, we just need a longer cooldown between shots. As for the tasers, I would agree if it was lasers or disablers, but given how powerful stuns are I don't like the idea of mass taser spamShadowDimentio wrote:>Speed sniper
Snipers should be fast
>Automatic taser
Trading accuracy for spam is fine
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
enjoy your nogunzArianya wrote:le shitting on goofball memePKPenguin321 wrote:the goofball giveth and the goofball taketh away
perhaps the end of le shit on goofball memes will come soon from this
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
This is thread is taking a super negative turn into everyone just shitting on eachother instead of giving feedback on this project. How about we all say something nice about one another before we keep going? I'll start.
Kevinz000 I appreciate that you are trying to keep the best interest of the player element in mind balance-wise.
Goof I think its really nice that you're willing to spend your time trying to come up with new things for the playerbase to enjoy.
Oxford, your zeal for this project is very profound and it's clearly something you care about and thats just dandy.
DemonFiren you make a good argument for #NotAllLizards sometimes.
Kevinz000 I appreciate that you are trying to keep the best interest of the player element in mind balance-wise.
Goof I think its really nice that you're willing to spend your time trying to come up with new things for the playerbase to enjoy.
Oxford, your zeal for this project is very profound and it's clearly something you care about and thats just dandy.
DemonFiren you make a good argument for #NotAllLizards sometimes.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
but there's already guns in the game that all perform a specific function applicable in certain situations with a limited supply that have been carefully balanced over the yearsPKPenguin321 wrote:enjoy your nogunzArianya wrote:le shitting on goofball memePKPenguin321 wrote:the goofball giveth and the goofball taketh away
perhaps the end of le shit on goofball memes will come soon from this
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Well since even our loose sense of balance must fall before mandatory appeasement of his royal codesty Barron Von Goof...
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let it make meteor pens.
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let it make meteor pens.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Said it better than I ever could have. The reason it seems like everyone is "coming in hot" in a goof thread is because we've seen it all before. We've seen his tantrums, we've seen his spite PRs, everything. If this was the first time he'd tried to shoehorn some shitty, unbalanced mechanic into the game we might be more amiable, but it's not, and we're all fucking tired of it.Arianya wrote:Snip
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Goofball specifically thanked people who gave specific feedback rather than saying "its bad"
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Wyzack, if its bad, its bad, and said PR only began to get worse and worse. I am not going to try and play nice with Goof, since I have seen this happen time and time again, especially with him cherry picking issues he will listen to(or if people complain about it looooong and hard enough, like with inhands). He does not care about balance, many times he doesn't even care whether his features are bugridden or not. And if it tends to cause crashes or client freezes? Water on a ducks back. If this was his first big PR, or even his second, I would have been extremely lenient and nice, but considering the previous disasters...
Goof Kitchen
Goof Chemistry(which took a fuckload of PR's afterwards to work out all the kinks, balance it, fix bugs, etc. Especially with things which seems like it wasn't even tested in the first place.)
Goof Medbay(Man that testmerge didn't last long with its near universal hate)
Reagent Blobs(Christ they took long to fix, and depending on the type of reagent blob, still completely broken in balance terms)
Freon(Christ, atleast it no longer freezes the server. Though the several times I have seen a traitor release it in large amount(or vent a canister through atmos into distro....christ the fucking lag)
And many others
And then thats not even mentioning his ENDLESS stream of meme, rage, or spite PR's which is, frankly, a huge pile of spam. So perhaps I have just grown tired of this same shit playing out over and over?
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Goof Kitchen
Goof Chemistry(which took a fuckload of PR's afterwards to work out all the kinks, balance it, fix bugs, etc. Especially with things which seems like it wasn't even tested in the first place.)
Goof Medbay(Man that testmerge didn't last long with its near universal hate)
Reagent Blobs(Christ they took long to fix, and depending on the type of reagent blob, still completely broken in balance terms)
Freon(Christ, atleast it no longer freezes the server. Though the several times I have seen a traitor release it in large amount(or vent a canister through atmos into distro....christ the fucking lag)
And many others
And then thats not even mentioning his ENDLESS stream of meme, rage, or spite PR's which is, frankly, a huge pile of spam. So perhaps I have just grown tired of this same shit playing out over and over?
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
"It's bad" or "it sucks" or "close now" or "goof is shit" don't actually offer anything and are just noise though.
Unless you can quantify exactly in what way it is bad/sucks that's of no use to anyone. Not even anyone who might want to pick it up and make something workable with it if goof does take his ball and go home, 'cause fancy that - they don't have any idea what you dislike about the code either other than the guy whose name is on the PR.
Unless you can quantify exactly in what way it is bad/sucks that's of no use to anyone. Not even anyone who might want to pick it up and make something workable with it if goof does take his ball and go home, 'cause fancy that - they don't have any idea what you dislike about the code either other than the guy whose name is on the PR.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
Screemonster, actually, I am already helping ma44 with his incarnation of it. Well, atleast helping him via words. I cannot into PR'ing to a PR.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
I'm far from a fan of Goof (Goofchem was a mistake) but give him a fucking chance you whiny entitled brats. If anybody else had coded this, would you be so ready with your torches and pitchforks screeching HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE GAME HE'S UNBALANCING MUH GUNS LYNCH HIM, or would you at least humor the guy until he was ready for it to get merged?
Jesus.
Jesus.
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- captain sawrge
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
He's been working on this for months and has had two test merges and plenty of feedback and it is still full of problems. He knew this and still insisted on having it merged as soon as possible then threw a fit when people told him it's not ready yet and still needs more work.ShadowDimentio wrote:I'm far from a fan of Goof (Goofchem was a mistake) but give him a fucking chance you whiny entitled brats. If anybody else had coded this, would you be so ready with your torches and pitchforks screeching HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE GAME HE'S UNBALANCING MUH GUNS LYNCH HIM, or would you at least humor the guy until he was ready for it to get merged?
Jesus.
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
If anyone else had coded this just how it is the reaction would be the sameShadowDimentio wrote:I'm far from a fan of Goof (Goofchem was a mistake) but give him a fucking chance you whiny entitled brats. If anybody else had coded this, would you be so ready with your torches and pitchforks screeching HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE GAME HE'S UNBALANCING MUH GUNS LYNCH HIM, or would you at least humor the guy until he was ready for it to get merged?
Jesus.
it's not the face that goof coded it, it's the fact that it doesn't work properly and tosses all balance up into the air just for the sake of gimmicks
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
YesShadowDimentio wrote:I'm far from a fan of Goof (Goofchem was a mistake) but give him a fucking chance you whiny entitled brats. If anybody else had coded this, would you be so ready with your torches and pitchforks screeching HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE GAME HE'S UNBALANCING MUH GUNS LYNCH HIM, or would you at least humor the guy until he was ready for it to get merged?
Jesus.
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- MisterPerson
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Re: Goof Gunsmithing
I'm just gonna lock this since the original PR was closed. Feel extremely free to make a new thread for ma44's attempt to finish this at https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/23045
Actually there's a new thread already made here
Separating the GOOFBALL discussion from the legit guncrafting balance w/e discussion that ma44 needs to hear will be good for all of us.
Actually there's a new thread already made here
Separating the GOOFBALL discussion from the legit guncrafting balance w/e discussion that ma44 needs to hear will be good for all of us.
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