Toolbox sprites

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:34 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

Cheri has been pulling the ironic line their opinion is objective fact for so long they probably believe it by now.

So cheri wanty no reverty.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:38 am #254925

imblyings wrote:[doofy sunglasses toolbox]

This will be useful in the near future.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:45 am #254926

"Classic" and "Modern" themes in options, everybody wins

Post by **oranges** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:19 am #254933

Yakumo_Chen wrote:So when are we actually going to be able to push a revert PR that coders won't ignore?

don't hold your breath cause you'll pass out and die long before we change our minds now

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:26 am

Oh please oranges all it takes is one person higher in the pecking order to change your mind.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 am #254942

Just out of curiosity, what else is getting resprited? I heard turfs being brought up. Will things like walls get it too?

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:10 pm

With how flat this toolbox looks danno could do amazing floor tiles.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:25 pm #255013

Incomptinence wrote:With how flat this toolbox looks danno could do amazing floor tiles.

Roasted

danno · Post by **danno** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:51 pm #255025

your death throes sustain me
and floor tiles are going to look O.K.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:56 pm #255028

I mean he's not wrong.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:18 pm #255130

Are we getting more walls with the floor tiles? Will the perspective stay the same, or be a bit more skewed?

danno · Post by **danno** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:21 pm #255132

Someone is working on a perspective walls idea and I mocked up some placeholder stuff for them to use

It would depend on a wall changing how it looks depending on your relation to it. If you're south of it, you see the south side. North, the north side. Etc.

Chances are it won't pan out. Walls are an indomitable conundrum. The walls we have right now might simply be the most practical way to go about it, period.

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:48 pm

~up where we beloooong~

Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:48 pm

danno wrote:Someone is working on a perspective walls idea and I mocked up some placeholder stuff for them to use

It would depend on a wall changing how it looks depending on your relation to it. If you're south of it, you see the south side. North, the north side. Etc.

Chances are it won't pan out. Walls are an indomitable conundrum. The walls we have right now might simply be the most practical way to go about it, period.

yeah probably. wall mounted machines with perspective walls is a headache

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:51 pm

With those perspective walls what is the walls' actual shape since it leans away on either side?

Toblerone walls?

danno · Post by **danno** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:15 pm #255165

look at this dude incomptinence already salty about something that probably will never happen

Incomptinence · Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:48 pm

Too much perspective is all I am saying it basically means it's sloped probably on both sides for a straight wall.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:23 am #255180

after all this time and your brain still doesn't work so good

Incomptinence · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:20 am

Yeah sure I get it is meant to be perspective from the player's bird's-eye view but then everything should look like you where doped up on skewium if you are holding to that viewing angle.

AnonymousNow · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:22 am

Hah! I don't know how pull requests work.

This is Round 2 of Now Getting Shit Added To The Game, with me knowing the absolute bare-bones basics and trying not to fuck everything up. I'm hoping to get to Round 3, which is where I try actually code something, but in the meantime, there's this.

Actual Size, scale to the storage.dmi file and the images at the start of this thread...

Scaled-up for a detailed look...

Spoiler:

Alternative "new" toolbox sprites. They're the Goonsprites, given back the third dimension, with a handle tweak.

I think I vaguely know how pulls work now. Is it worth putting this one up?

EDIT: Made them a pixel taller than the Goonsprites, as well. Also, added the Syndiebox, which I'd entirely forgotten about on my first pass. Oops!

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:25 am #255223

By respriting the toolbox one changes an integral part of SS13 culture.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:29 am

The shitty-looking toolbox of old is the personification of SS13. It's hilariously outdated but people still love it.

AnonymousNow · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:57 am

CosmicScientist wrote:~

I think I'd also like one latch, but I know if I'm not careful then someone'll accuse me of just trying to remake the old sprites.
I'll scale them up now. Kept the original scale to match the OP images, but makes sense to see them more clearly.
I'll wait on the PR front. This isn't supposed to be a war, just thought I could improve on what people saw.
Thanks. Maybe I should work on figuring out how that new feature I want would work.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:15 am #255235

*rubs chin*

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:28 am #255240

New is nice but unique would be even better.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:31 am #255241

I still don't like the red streaks on His Grace, but I really don't care how the toolboxes look otherwise. People are up in arms about "server culture" but I just can't agree from that viewpoint. The old sprites themselves look pretty bad, as the zoomed-in version has shown, and I feel like nicer-looking sprites really aren't that bad. People hated the new extinguisher, too, but I think they look a lot better.

AnonymousNow · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:51 am

Xhuis wrote:~

In regards to His Grace, when I was looking at the way the sprite is animated (it just sort of... jiggles for four frames?), I was thinking that it might be better if it looked like a normal toolbox most of the time, but occasionally licked its "lips" with a forked tongue, like with the timing of the amanita jelly's blink.

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:36 am #255263

I thought the deadly toolbox was intentionally supposed to look like a normal toolbox though

I like the perspective on AN's toolboxes more then the current one but I continue to argue that keeping the legacy sprite preserves the server culture.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:05 am #255273

The blood on His Grace I thought would look nice but clearly isn't working and is already being changed
It was ill conceived but surely you see where I was coming from

Post by **oranges** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:29 am #255288

Yakumo_Chen wrote:I thought the deadly toolbox was intentionally supposed to look like a normal toolbox though

I like the perspective on AN's toolboxes more then the current one but I continue to argue that keeping the legacy sprite preserves the server culture.

you the kinda person who keeps hangman noose around your town because hanging people from it used to be town culture

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:32 am #255291

That's some pretty shitty ad homenim. When are you going to stop ignoring the 2:1 poll that clearly shows players want the old toolbox?

I can't wait for goofball to try to bring back that gated cat ears PR and for coders to merge it despite the 200 players saying to keep it as is, only for coders to merge it because they don't care about playerbase opinion. This is more or less the same thing, is it not?

ShadowDimentio · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:33 am

He's right though. And people have Confederate statues all over the south in the US, bad analogy.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:45 am #255335

it's not really ignoring as much as it is dismissal I guess
we're moving towards shifting the game to a different perspective
all of the """"""""""3D""""""""""" or whatever you want to call it sprites are holdover codersprites from a bygone age of no one really wanting to give a fuck about what things look like.
Everyone got used to it, but you'll live

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:54 am #255351

So the official line is "we know better than you do, shut up plebs"?

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:36 pm #255378

Most people dont comment on code changes because they cant code. There is a lower bar maybe for sprites but that bar still exists. Rarely do sprites get useful feedback anyway. I rarely get it and the people who are actually qualified to comment can be counted at most on two hands.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:49 pm #255384

cedarbridge wrote:So the official line is "we know better than you do, shut up plebs"?

pretty much

AnonymousNow · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:07 pm

http://i.imgur.com/tHsN7at.gifv

Larger, shoddy quality (def. not final) but demonstrates the idea. Will likely be a longer delay before the lick.
http://i.imgur.com/6Kq7BLL.gifv

Post by **Cobby** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:55 pm #255425

leibniz wrote:

I'm going to use this as a point to revert them saying "look how ugly they are"

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:20 pm #255447

AnonymousNow wrote:http://i.imgur.com/tHsN7at.gifv

Larger, shoddy quality (def. not final) but demonstrates the idea. Will likely be a longer delay before the lick.
http://i.imgur.com/6Kq7BLL.gifv

It should become more and more alive the hungrier it is, at one point just staring right at you ready to bite

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:29 pm #255466

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:51 pm #255476

Change the forum sprite to create a salt mine.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:02 pm #255501

you can individually change the time for each frame in the DMI

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:04 pm #255503

cedarbridge wrote:So the official line is "we know better than you do, shut up plebs"?

or maybe "The people who work and contribute art for the game talked to the person in charge of art direction for the game and the maintainers of the code, and all generally feel like a perspective shift is long overdue and a good idea"

maybe your rage against the machine melodrama might be excessive?
idk

ShadowDimentio · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:21 pm

danno wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:So the official line is "we know better than you do, shut up plebs"?
or maybe "The people who work and contribute art for the game talked to the person in charge of art direction for the game and the maintainers of the code, and all generally feel like a perspective shift is long overdue and a good idea"

maybe your rage against the machine melodrama might be excessive?
idk

I don't care how many of our self-appointed admins and spriters nodded in unison, the vote says 2-1 people don't want it changed. That's pretty definitive.

Remie Richards · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:22 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:
danno wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:So the official line is "we know better than you do, shut up plebs"?
or maybe "The people who work and contribute art for the game talked to the person in charge of art direction for the game and the maintainers of the code, and all generally feel like a perspective shift is long overdue and a good idea"

maybe your rage against the machine melodrama might be excessive?
idk
I don't care how many of our self-appointed admins and spriters nodded in unison, the vote says 2-1 people don't want it changed. That's pretty definitive.

Then consider a coder/art director's vote worth Nx that of a player's vote.
Where N is a number that always results in the coders winning.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:23 pm

I said it once I'll say it again

It's like HG never even left.

But it's good to get confirmation that the coders still think they're holier than thou and their will is law, no matter how shit a change might me.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:26 pm #255510

Pretty sure unless the players just leave they're worthless in the eyes of coders. And TG is best server.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:29 pm

What a healthy relationship our community has.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:30 pm #255512

ShadowDimentio wrote:What a healthy relationship our community has.

I'm into BDSM so it's, fine.

Remie Richards · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:34 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:I said it once I'll say it again

It's like HG never even left.

But it's good to get confirmation that the coders still think they're holier than thou and their will is law, no matter how shit a change might me.

Can't you see we do it for your own good little one?
It's all for you.

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:36 pm #255514

day of the NT when...