AI Interface

Post by **ShizCalev** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:07 am #20253

The new interface is really fucking retarded and we should go back to the verb system.

It's really nothing but needless clutter on what was otherwise a perfect system.

Perhaps it can just be a setting to opt into the new GUI?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:58 am #20263

I really need to get some time in as a AI.

But I fully support any attempt to bring the games UI into the actual game instead of leaving it in the verbs. I think a PR was recently made and/or merged that makes the UI look more sleek.

Maybe if there is a way to show a pop-up text on what each button does...

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:08 am #20264

I agree. It was really unnecessary to do this. Verbs were perfectly functional. Now half of the functionality is verbs and half is these symbols for whatever reason.

Like, announcement button is a symbol, but announcement help, which used to be right next to announcement verb, is still a verb and is far away from the symbol.

I don't recall any AI players ever requesting something like this.

Kelenius · Post by **Kelenius** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:40 am #20288

>Verbs are good
Phuleeeease.

And it does show their name when you hover your cursor over the icon. Also, new pictures are already merged.

Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:59 am

Pop-up text would be amazing, yeah. Ideally it would be standardized and we can do it with everything!

I understand having a bunch of shit on the bottom of the screen can be cluttery, so I'm in support of sensible ways to reduce that. Not interested in an opt-in/opt-out system to go back to verbs though. A way to expand/contract the view and/or move the buttons around would be great.

Remie Richards · Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:20 am

MisterPerson wrote:Pop-up text would be amazing, yeah. Ideally it would be standardized and we can do it with everything!

cant we use the maptext var for pop-up text? obviously make it neater in some form of proc though.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:14 pm #20305

Kelenius wrote:>Verbs are good
Phuleeeease.

And it does show their name when you hover your cursor over the icon. Also, new pictures are already merged.

Verbs are stacked in a neat menu, all say explicitly what they do, all near each other.

Now I have to think "hmmm, is that function in the icons or still in verbs?"
Then I have to read all verbs "no I don't think it is"
Then I have to hover my mouse over each icon to see what it does

Instead of pressing one button. This is why verbs are better than this.

I don't mind some other solution, but please not what we have currently.

Neerti · Post by **Neerti** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:31 pm #20306

Before it was the AI verb tab having 30+ verbs which you'd have to look around for to find that specific verb.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:34 pm #20314

Well you basically made it so you have to look around in two different places and in one of them you have to mouse over things to actually understand what exactly they do.

Which solves what exactly?

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:39 pm #20315

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
Kelenius wrote:>Verbs are good
Phuleeeease.

And it does show their name when you hover your cursor over the icon. Also, new pictures are already merged.
Verbs are stacked in a neat menu, all say explicitly what they do, all near each other.

Now I have to think "hmmm, is that function in the icons or still in verbs?"
Then I have to read all verbs "no I don't think it is"
Then I have to hover my mouse over each icon to see what it does

Instead of pressing one button. This is why verbs are better than this.

I don't mind some other solution, but please not what we have currently.

aka the issue is that you're just not used to the icons yet.

Incomptinence · Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:16 pm

I don't see why the icon interface necessitates the removal of some verbs from the AI tab. A fair few left click object interactions for humans are also in the object verb menu.

Can it be made optional?

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:34 pm #20341

The only complaint I have is that I can't type track into the command bar anymore. I have to use the GUI to locate people which takes significantly longer.

Post by **ShizCalev** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:36 pm #20345

Reimoo wrote:The only complaint I have is that I can't type track into the command bar anymore. I have to use the GUI to locate people which takes significantly longer.

This is another issue, yes. None of the verbs can be typed manually anymore, which I find extremely inconvenient as I also relied heavily upon manually typed commands.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:06 pm #20349

Miauw wrote:aka the issue is that you're just not used to the icons yet.

The issue is that it didn't get any better and it did get worse.

ExplosiveCrate · Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:23 am

Yeah, typing out the commands (or at least, part of the commands then pressing space) is way more convenient than clicking a button. There's really no reason to remove the verbs other than "ew verbs".

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:16 am #20418

ExplosiveCrate wrote:Yeah, typing out the commands (or at least, part of the commands then pressing space) is way more convenient than clicking a button. There's really no reason to remove the verbs other than "ew verbs".

Yup.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:04 am #20425

Alright, you make good points to re-add the verbs and re-adding the verbs probably isnt hard so it can be done.

Giacom · Post by **Giacom** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:04 pm #20431

Yeah we can have both.

Kelenius · Post by **Kelenius** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:06 pm #20432

Could have a toggle for showing 'duplicated' verbs.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:40 pm #20477

Could have a toggle for showing obnoxious icons.

ExplosiveCrate · Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:53 pm

Actually, that's a good point. Does F12 hide the AI interface?

Post by **ShizCalev** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:19 pm #20481

No, it doesn't. It results in an error that states "only human mobs can hide interface", or something along those lines.

tunderchief · Post by **tunderchief** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:46 am #21150

I like it.

It improves response times as an AI, and it doubtless makes things much easier to get into for new AIs.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:20 am #21368

protip when in the tracking menu you can press the first letter of someone's name to jump to them on the list which is 200% faster than typing it out anyway you fucking noobs

Post by **MisterPerson** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:36 pm #21470

For the record, track-with-camera is now just track, and you can type it into the command bar again. It doesn't show up in the verbs list though.

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