Socially segregated station
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Socially segregated station
Instead of making a plain ol' station with hallways, I thought it'd be neat to make one with a gimmick; social segregation based on rank.
• One half of the station will be well maintained with lights, decorations, and housing
• Other half dark, dirty, with broken crap all over and long maint tunnels
• Both halves linked via a double door gateway that the HoP mans, where he can permit low class peasents into the high class area
• Upper class half gets full size and well equipped departments
• Lower class gets small, dirty medbay, bar, etc
• Cargo would be on the half way line and would be in charge of selling goods to the peasents
• A new, simple money system controled by the HoP
• Poor half gets engineering and mining as they're dirty jobs
• Poor half possibly inside an asteroid
• Meant to be a high player map as multiple job slots to fill both halves
• Maybe have lizards spawn in the poor half regardless of rank
I'm currently in the drafting stage and need community ideas to help flesh this out. First thing that I need to establish is what jobs are high and low class.
• One half of the station will be well maintained with lights, decorations, and housing
• Other half dark, dirty, with broken crap all over and long maint tunnels
• Both halves linked via a double door gateway that the HoP mans, where he can permit low class peasents into the high class area
• Upper class half gets full size and well equipped departments
• Lower class gets small, dirty medbay, bar, etc
• Cargo would be on the half way line and would be in charge of selling goods to the peasents
• A new, simple money system controled by the HoP
• Poor half gets engineering and mining as they're dirty jobs
• Poor half possibly inside an asteroid
• Meant to be a high player map as multiple job slots to fill both halves
• Maybe have lizards spawn in the poor half regardless of rank
I'm currently in the drafting stage and need community ideas to help flesh this out. First thing that I need to establish is what jobs are high and low class.
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Re: Socially segregated station
You just want a place to put the liggers, don't you?
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Re: Socially segregated station
We already have a place for that.Saegrimr wrote:You just want a place to put the liggers, don't you?
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Re: Socially segregated station
This isn't the 1870s, this is the 2550s.
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Reminds me of a station I was designing last year based on a similar concept. There are two space station's connected via cords and a single tube, the new station held the fancy shamcy command, science and security while the shitty station held everything else.
I got quite far until I had to stop due to a combo of real life and Puddl telling me my design was shit constantly.
I got quite far until I had to stop due to a combo of real life and Puddl telling me my design was shit constantly.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Social experiment done by Nanotrasen to understand the minds of the grey tide.TheNightingale wrote:This isn't the 1870s, this is the 2550s.
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Re: Socially segregated station
The divide between the two would have to be fairly well manned. Maybe laser defended checkpoint? A single set of doors will be hacked through.
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>implying society hasn't regressedDrPillzRedux wrote:Social experiment done by Nanotrasen to understand the minds of the grey tide.TheNightingale wrote:This isn't the 1870s, this is the 2550s.
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Re: Socially segregated station
R-walls all across the way with one side of customs being the HoP and the other being a sec checkpoint. HoP gets a dual set of shutters to prevent quick airlock hacking.Bluespace wrote:The divide between the two would have to be fairly well manned. Maybe laser defended checkpoint? A single set of doors will be hacked through.
Also, again, the custom checkpoint would have 2 sets of doors as well as a quarantine room that is linked to medbay in case they need to be examined for disease or something.
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Re: Socially segregated station
>Taking Puddl seriously over map designSteelpoint wrote:Reminds me of a station I was designing last year based on a similar concept. There are two space station's connected via cords and a single tube, the new station held the fancy shamcy command, science and security while the shitty station held everything else.
I got quite far until I had to stop due to a combo of real life and Puddl telling me my design was shit constantly.
cmon man, you are smarter than that
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It's just that making a map is a very time consuming effort and I kinda ran out of free time to make a full map, that was more of a hobby.
The thread's still on this forum somewhere.
Ah, here we go. Nostalgia: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 42&p=38870
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Ah, here we go. Nostalgia: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 42&p=38870
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Re: Socially segregated station
This could be really interesting. Much better than some of the maps we have in rotation now.
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Just a crude mock up of what I mean. Deparments that overlap between the zones are in fact linked and could offer a way to sneak in so there's not just one entry point. Obviously fluff like dorms and maint aren't on this.
Buy your way in through cargo
End your peasent life in robotics to become a cyborg protector of high town
Atmos and AI on sides of station to help balance the importance of both halves
Botany in lower town to keep upper town in life with food control
Lower town gets their own bar
I'd like to use the new starlight to help set the spooky/grim mood for lower town as well
Buy your way in through cargo
End your peasent life in robotics to become a cyborg protector of high town
Atmos and AI on sides of station to help balance the importance of both halves
Botany in lower town to keep upper town in life with food control
Lower town gets their own bar
I'd like to use the new starlight to help set the spooky/grim mood for lower town as well
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Re: Socially segregated station
Sounds amazing, i really hope this does not run out of steam
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Re: Socially segregated station
Sounds like something straight out of Lifeweb. Really liking the idea tbh, it'll promote organic conflicts between the two sides when those dirty greys want to invade our grorious rich side of town.
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one time captain donald trump r-walled off arrivals to keep out the greysuits and would dunk all the greysuits in disposals to put them there, but people used crayons to build a secret underground railroad path into the station and it turned into a bloodbath
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Re: Socially segregated station
what if this happened every round with the heroic security force mowing down dirty migrants assistants as they try in vain to pass the walls.
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I'd recommend having a tunnel or two connecting two disconnected stations. Otherwise, it'll be too easy to get over by just cutting down a wall in a department on the border.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Or putting that new lava turf/space between them both with a small connector the HoP office crossing.
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Of course I wouldn't leave a small space between the halves with mines and barbwire!
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Re: Socially segregated station
Why not take some inspriation from what I did, make there be one primary connection between the two station's, add a secondary, maintenance located, entrance for drug smuggling. Also make there a somewhat bigger space based gap between the stations but add connection grilles/floors to carry power, air and other across, as well as having some all access space walkways for quick movement over.
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Good idea, make it so all the chemistry equipment is on the poor side of town so that chemists can have some good rp by smuggling drugs.
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We need paperwork, guest passes and permits to enter the nice side of town
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Re: Socially segregated station
I can see all of the subversive potential.
Excellent.
Excellent.
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Re: Socially segregated station
>roll security
>spawn in lowclass area
>suicide before the greyshit tide rolls over me
>spawn in lowclass area
>suicide before the greyshit tide rolls over me
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Re: Socially segregated station
make an even shittier segment with hullbreaches all over, unkillable monsters, and a forcefield separating it from the other part of the station
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Re: Socially segregated station
Sounds cool. It offers something the other maps don't, so +1. Maint/AI core/etc. design pending, but it'd offer unique opportunities specific to that map.
You'd need to make sec low-rules though. You gotta be able to handle greytiders that try to hop the border with lethality or how will they learn?
Also, expect the wall to be thermited 5 minutes in.
You'd need to make sec low-rules though. You gotta be able to handle greytiders that try to hop the border with lethality or how will they learn?
Also, expect the wall to be thermited 5 minutes in.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Make all limbs and organs cooking ingredients so security can raid the assistants to turn some of them into foodstuffs in the high class bar. Be the morlock nobility.
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Having played another game that will not be named but shares many similarities to SS13, which somewhat recently implemented a map with physical class divides - I can say it's shit. Seriously, it sounds fun until you play it, round after round. It doesn't slowly blend into a harmonious society, it degrades into painfully boring perpetual combat between two rather arbitrary factions where neither side is having fun because this is what they've been doing for the past ten rounds, and will be doing for the next ten.
I hate to burst the collective bubble, but segregation through obstructive map design is shit. It works best in a roleplay environment that will enact the tenants of discrimination and segregation. Otherwise, dull perma-deathmatch/Everyone in the lower-class side dies from disease/engineering catastrophe/antagonist.
If you were actually considering making something, consider this: If you aim for inequality, eliminate equalizers. The biggest offender would be common radio. Sure, you might be able to talk to your other indentured servants with the monochannel headset meant for short-range communication between the engineers... But should you really be afforded what is essentially a casual, luxury channel? Things like this would make it an actually interesting and unique experience, and it should be able to be uniquely configured for a map.
As for general station design, the purpose of the low-section should be to provide for and support the upper. Their job is to fend for themselves while not invoking the wrath of corporate security who wants to know where those extra 500k units of power are going.
Just thoughts of someone who has played similar map/tried to make one/thought on it a bit
I hate to burst the collective bubble, but segregation through obstructive map design is shit. It works best in a roleplay environment that will enact the tenants of discrimination and segregation. Otherwise, dull perma-deathmatch/Everyone in the lower-class side dies from disease/engineering catastrophe/antagonist.
If you were actually considering making something, consider this: If you aim for inequality, eliminate equalizers. The biggest offender would be common radio. Sure, you might be able to talk to your other indentured servants with the monochannel headset meant for short-range communication between the engineers... But should you really be afforded what is essentially a casual, luxury channel? Things like this would make it an actually interesting and unique experience, and it should be able to be uniquely configured for a map.
As for general station design, the purpose of the low-section should be to provide for and support the upper. Their job is to fend for themselves while not invoking the wrath of corporate security who wants to know where those extra 500k units of power are going.
Just thoughts of someone who has played similar map/tried to make one/thought on it a bit
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you've done it noworanges wrote:lifeweb
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This would be awesome as long as you can quickly respawn as an assistant and try to work your way to be a noble or security officer. The only rules should be no total dicknesses and that implanted persons have to be loyal to command staff.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Implement paddles for hazing rituals on entry to the highjob coven.
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And no one in that game keeps the dirty smerds down where they belong, so it doesn't work anyway.Scones wrote:Having played another game that will not be named but shares many similarities to SS13, which somewhat recently implemented a map with physical class divides - I can say it's shit. Seriously, it sounds fun until you play it, round after round. It doesn't slowly blend into a harmonious society, it degrades into painfully boring perpetual combat between two rather arbitrary factions where neither side is having fun because this is what they've been doing for the past ten rounds, and will be doing for the next ten.
There's not even any incentive to want to go upstairs.
Sure the medbay equivalent is up there... but medbay staff is so utterly incompetent most of the time you're better off asking for mercy so you can respawn.
All its really done is rob the interaction jobs of most of their interaction.
On the plus side a job that used to get overwealmed (medical) doesn't any more, but cargo and smithing (RnD/robotics I guess is the spess equivilent?) don't get any interaction at all.
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There is no space equivalent.
Those roles all die due to the hazards of the lower town, pretty consistently.
Fucking smerds.
Those roles all die due to the hazards of the lower town, pretty consistently.
Fucking smerds.
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I guess this would finally give me an excuse to dabble in mapping.
Eh, maybe.
Eh, maybe.
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Re: Socially segregated station
pits for daysScones wrote:There is no spaaaaaace equivalent.
Those roles all die due to the hazards of the lower town, pretty consistently.
Fucking smerds.
also malkevin as as someone who plays serpent i resent the implication that we are all incompetent. some of us are merely malicious.
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Re: Socially segregated station
This sounds like one of those fun ideas.
Rev rounds would be sweet on this station.
Rev rounds would be sweet on this station.
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Segstation is under development though progress will be slow. I'll be busy with IRL stuff for a bit.
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Re: Socially segregated station
This sounds awesome. You don't even need the antag system or our valid/novalid rules, just let the drama and violence happen with crew transferring new assistants into the ghetto every 10 minutes so people aren't getting butthurt about getting killed. Like I said, as long as loyalty implanted people are obligated to be on the side of the heads it would work out just fine. The ghetto residents have an incentive to try and "be good" to be accepted as security or get permission into the high class side of the ship or work together to organized and take it from the heads.
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Re: Socially segregated station
NT forcing its employees, even those that staff important research stations, into segregated worker housing and forcing them to buy from the company store with scrip sounds fairly cool and like something a farcical megacorporation would do.TheNightingale wrote:This isn't the 1870s, this is the 2550s.
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Re: Socially segregated station
What if instead of a space station its a fortress with a really poor lowtown outside it?
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Spess station where all the elite live.
Planet, full of hostile life forms and deadly environment, where all the dirt eating peasants live
Basically the spessmens version of elysium.
Planet, full of hostile life forms and deadly environment, where all the dirt eating peasants live
Basically the spessmens version of elysium.
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Re: Socially segregated station
I'd rather not go full startoad but I might make it in a big asteroid or something.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Yes! Force the lowtown to collectively mine a stupidly high amount of mineral points to get into hightown. Little do they know, that there are not enough minerals on the entire outskirts of the station to open the gates...
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Lowtown should have birdstation style supplies scattered around, just so sec doesn't have an easy job purging the low classes.
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Re: Socially segregated station
Something else I'd love to see is a set of flamethrowers and fire suits in the armory so sec has an easier time at purging should the need arise.
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The only problem I have with this idea is that while it's interesting and could be fun, the way map rotation seems to work it would probably be quite a few rounds before it switches to a traditional station and people could get burnt out easily
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Yes for unethical social experiment station.
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