Efficiency Station 3 Feedback Thread

[Wyzack]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Not sure if this is just a fluke or whatever, but it seems really easy for tators and tiders to fuck up the powergrid by cutting a few wires in maintenance, it has been happening a lot recently. Do other maps have more redundancy for power grids?

[allura]

Kitchen is massive. It's annoying running around this huge room to access all the stuff you need. And a door between botany and kitchen would be greatly appreciated. With the kitchen entrance in the bar, it's too much of a walk. Everyone hops over the table, anyway.

kitchen is massive because it's going to accomodate to goofball's upcoming cooking revamp.
i finally added the door

[Nexendia]

AI Sat and Telecoms Sat = Pure Perfection!

[WJohnston]

Not sure if this is just a fluke or whatever, but it seems really easy for tators and tiders to fuck up the powergrid by cutting a few wires in maintenance, it has been happening a lot recently. Do other maps have more redundancy for power grids?

This is the case with all maps. It takes the cutting of two wires in box to rid the whole station of power. Adminhelp and get the admins to ban the shitters.

[Wyzack]

It was not shitters as far as i know, just tators. I only brought it up because it happened a few rounds in a row

[deathhoof]

Any particular reason why you made it so easy to laser the ai to death? I dont like this map one bit. Any map where the ai doesnt stand a chance at defending themselves is a broken map.

[allura]

it's as easy to laser ai to death as it was meta.

[Cipher3]

Any particular reason why you made it so easy to laser the ai to death? I dont like this map one bit. Any map where the ai doesnt stand a chance at defending themselves is a broken map.

"This one feature for this one roundtype seems imbalanced to me, EVERYTHING IS WRONG HERE."

[Nexendia]

Any particular reason why you made it so easy to laser the ai to death? I dont like this map one bit. Any map where the ai doesnt stand a chance at defending themselves is a broken map.

"This one feature for this one roundtype seems imbalanced to me, EVERYTHING IS WRONG HERE."

Spoiler:

There are shutters that can stop lasers... just so ya know...

[deathhoof]

Now with the shutters ai sat is too robust

[Wyzack]

Not sure if trolling...

[Nexendia]

Now with the shutters ai sat is too robust

Those shutters mean nothing.. especially after I made this quick guide on how to fuck the AI over..
Girders are fucking OP plz nerf

Spoiler:

http://puu.sh/ei6mb/a29245fa7b.png <- if spoiler no work

[Scones]

Now with the shutters ai sat is too robust

Those shutters mean nothing.. especially after I made this quick guide on how to fuck the AI over..
Girders are fucking OP plz nerf

Spoiler:

>girders
>not abusing the metal foam grenades that can be found in engineering
>2 will totally remove the ai's capability to stop you


oh also the captains bathroom is all-access. not really an issue but just something ive noticed.

[Cipher3]

Now with the shutters ai sat is too robust

Those shutters mean nothing.. especially after I made this quick guide on how to fuck the AI over..
Girders are fucking OP plz nerf

Spoiler:

>girders
>not abusing the metal foam grenades that can be found in engineering
>2 will totally remove the ai's capability to stop you


oh also the captains bathroom is all-access. not really an issue but just something ive noticed.

Was on other maps too. Leave it.

[allura]

screenshot updated

[Fayrik]

So, a few days ago I noticed a slight issue with the atmos lay out on this station.
Quite specifically two vents aren't connected because there are pipes missing under grill/windows, one in Medbay and one in Robotics.

There is a bigger problem however. It seems as though the distribution network is separated into three segments. There's the central, which leads out of the left side of atmospherics and covers everything until the cargo bay. The quartermaster's office and everything south of that is then disconnected, as is everything on the right side of atmospherics, through engineering and below.
From what I can see this means that only the center network of the station is ever receiving air.
I can't tell if this is true for the scubbers network as well, as I only found this out while trying to vent crawl.

...And while it's fun for atmos to have something to do, putting in a fix every round can get a little tedious.

[allura]

FUCK
i already fixed that a long time ago
but no one was supposed to know

[Cipher3]

Yeah I mentioned that to allura a week ago when I had been trying to ventcrawl as a xeno.

[Snakebutt]

Efficiency is coming along great, but there's still a few complaints.

1. Ore redemption dumps directly into science. This is great for RnD and robotics, shitty for literally everyone else. Chemists may want plasma or iron, engineering is going to want metal, cargo wants plasma for more points, and bartender is going to have to beg one of the above to give him uranium and iron. Make it eject items right on top of itself so everyone can use it, or have it dump into the hall and make science leave science for a change.

2. RnD and Robotics has an emergency shutter, but it only covers the table, not the windows. From what I've seen, no one even bothers with the table and just breaks the windows to break in, so being able to shut it would make me feel a lot safer with axe wielding maniacs wandering the halls.

3. Chemistry is about twice as large as it needs to be, and has 3 times the table space needed. Given the layout I don't really know what could be done with the space, but I feel bad with all that empty space at the top of the room and all those tables covered in folders and paper trays that are never used, ever. Perhaps relocate storage there, move CMO down and make a surgery observation room where CMO is?

[WeeYakk]

Something I noticed today: perma is way too easy to break out of. You break one window and the escape airlock which everyone has access to is five tiles to your left.

[Cipher3]

Something I noticed today: perma is way too easy to break out of. You break one window and the escape airlock which everyone has access to is five tiles to your left.

SHHH. SH. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[allura]

Efficiency is coming along great, but there's still a few complaints.

1. Ore redemption dumps directly into science. This is great for RnD and robotics, shitty for literally everyone else. Chemists may want plasma or iron, engineering is going to want metal, cargo wants plasma for more points, and bartender is going to have to beg one of the above to give him uranium and iron. Make it eject items right on top of itself so everyone can use it, or have it dump into the hall and make science leave science for a change.

2. RnD and Robotics has an emergency shutter, but it only covers the table, not the windows. From what I've seen, no one even bothers with the table and just breaks the windows to break in, so being able to shut it would make me feel a lot safer with axe wielding maniacs wandering the halls.

3. Chemistry is about twice as large as it needs to be, and has 3 times the table space needed. Given the layout I don't really know what could be done with the space, but I feel bad with all that empty space at the top of the room and all those tables covered in folders and paper trays that are never used, ever. Perhaps relocate storage there, move CMO down and make a surgery observation room where CMO is?

1. getting the orm to dump differently is a code issue. engineering wont need metal because of how much is supplied, bartender can ask for it like he usually ends up doing anyway, and chemistry has a table between it and rnd specifically for this.
2. code issue, i cant fix the layering. and welding is also code.
3. chemistry is big because its going to fit everything goof's chem overhaul needs

[Hibbles]

I love the random space-stuff. I remember getting on during a slow around about 20 minutes in, and just beginning to place ladder-pairs that led from the main hallway to, uh, elsewhere. I ran out of time in the round well before I ran out of cool space places to make a portal to. The hallway was kind of like a wormhole junction at the end. And then after rogue AI it was like a pressure cooker.

On other maps it feels like all the space stuff has been done but yeah, neat stuff.

[Snakebutt]

Spoiler:

Efficiency is coming along great, but there's still a few complaints.

1. Ore redemption dumps directly into science. This is great for RnD and robotics, shitty for literally everyone else. Chemists may want plasma or iron, engineering is going to want metal, cargo wants plasma for more points, and bartender is going to have to beg one of the above to give him uranium and iron. Make it eject items right on top of itself so everyone can use it, or have it dump into the hall and make science leave science for a change.

2. RnD and Robotics has an emergency shutter, but it only covers the table, not the windows. From what I've seen, no one even bothers with the table and just breaks the windows to break in, so being able to shut it would make me feel a lot safer with axe wielding maniacs wandering the halls.

3. Chemistry is about twice as large as it needs to be, and has 3 times the table space needed. Given the layout I don't really know what could be done with the space, but I feel bad with all that empty space at the top of the room and all those tables covered in folders and paper trays that are never used, ever. Perhaps relocate storage there, move CMO down and make a surgery observation room where CMO is?

1. getting the orm to dump differently is a code issue. engineering wont need metal because of how much is supplied, bartender can ask for it like he usually ends up doing anyway, and chemistry has a table between it and rnd specifically for this.
2. code issue, i cant fix the layering. and welding is also code.
3. chemistry is big because its going to fit everything goof's chem overhaul needs

1. It dumps south on box, output back in the hall would be just fine. As is, if there is no science, no one gets metal without breaking in. And engineering metal is insufficient for full autismfort..... not that Id know.
2. Also works on box. No idea what you mean by welding, unless you mean removing the table, in which case I mean its easier to break the window and grill that cant be shuttered than it is to decon a reinforced table and windoor and possibly a shutter

[allura]

Spoiler:

Efficiency is coming along great, but there's still a few complaints.

1. Ore redemption dumps directly into science. This is great for RnD and robotics, shitty for literally everyone else. Chemists may want plasma or iron, engineering is going to want metal, cargo wants plasma for more points, and bartender is going to have to beg one of the above to give him uranium and iron. Make it eject items right on top of itself so everyone can use it, or have it dump into the hall and make science leave science for a change.

2. RnD and Robotics has an emergency shutter, but it only covers the table, not the windows. From what I've seen, no one even bothers with the table and just breaks the windows to break in, so being able to shut it would make me feel a lot safer with axe wielding maniacs wandering the halls.

3. Chemistry is about twice as large as it needs to be, and has 3 times the table space needed. Given the layout I don't really know what could be done with the space, but I feel bad with all that empty space at the top of the room and all those tables covered in folders and paper trays that are never used, ever. Perhaps relocate storage there, move CMO down and make a surgery observation room where CMO is?

1. getting the orm to dump differently is a code issue. engineering wont need metal because of how much is supplied, bartender can ask for it like he usually ends up doing anyway, and chemistry has a table between it and rnd specifically for this.
2. code issue, i cant fix the layering. and welding is also code.
3. chemistry is big because its going to fit everything goof's chem overhaul needs

1. It dumps south on box, output back in the hall would be just fine. As is, if there is no science, no one gets metal without breaking in. And engineering metal is insufficient for full autismfort..... not that Id know.
2. Also works on box. No idea what you mean by welding, unless you mean removing the table, in which case I mean its easier to break the window and grill that cant be shuttered than it is to decon a reinforced table and windoor and possibly a shutter

when i say "dump differently" i mean on top of itself. also, if it dumped south, it could potentially have loading issues since that's where crates go.
the windows working on box is crazy! i'll look into it.

[allura]

EPIC CHEMISTRY REDESIGN

[danno]

looks nice.

[Vigilare]

perma camera monitors don't work any more

[Comrade Leo]

Starting to warm up to Eff now, better than asteroid and mini(shit).

I do like maintenance, however there are two aspects of maintenance that irk the shit out of me:

1. The maintenance behind medbay, where you can enter by cargo has only one exit which is by atmos. Meaning you have to walk across half the station to get out, or double back on yourself and exit the way you came. All it takes is for someone to fuck the door on either side to make it inaccessible to everyone, or trap people in there (unless you have medbay, engineering, or science access). I encountered this problem a few times trying to escape from emergencies where the main hallways were no go, and using maintenance to get to escape was the only option. Having to travel all the way from atmos to cargo/medbay only to find someone had bolted the door, meant I had to go all the way back to atmos exit, and then brave the hallways, as there were no other exits. The other maintenance parts are either small enough to have just two exit/entry or have more. The maint that runs behind medbay>science>engineering is much larger than all the others combined. It needs another exit/entry near the middle.

2. The random valuable gear every round in maintenance is a neat touch. But I have notice it tends to favour one item type more than any other. One round maintenance will be stocked full of 50 ushankas, the next round it'll be jackboots, the next sunglasses, with little to none of any of the others.

The 'public' garden in maintenance could do with a seed generator and at least one bottle of ez nutrient or something.
At least 1 of the 'insulated' dodgy gloves in maintenance could be real, as well as a at least one toolbelt maybe
And perhaps some of the missing jumpsuits, or random costumes could be added to the dorms, like the mailman suit etc etc.

[Scones]

-snippity snip-

1.) You make a decent point about Med/Sci/Atmos maint, but I have to ask, where do you think this other exit should be? Departments make up the entire perimeter of the northern half of the station. (Also I'm pretty sure you can duck down and exit outside of Telescience, so really it's just a path to avoid the outside of Med/Sci if something went to shit.)

2.) Pretty sure that's just randomization at it's finest. Not sure though.

3.) I've never seen anyone use said garden and that's probably literally the main reason why
And no, gloves are meant to be semi-limited considering you pretty much have all-access given time once you obtain gloves. There are 2 non-Engineering pairs of gloves on the entire map and I think it should stay that way - We have enough Security issues as-is (Also Budget Insulated might work like actual gloves, in case you didn't know; they have a chance of not working at all, doing 200% shock damage, or working perfectly)
ADDITIONALLY there are toolbelts in the maint loot rotation and I see them fairly often, not to mention the fact that they have a chance to spawn in tool storage.

As for costumes, why aren't they in some special vendor or whatever?

[Comrade Leo]

1.) You make a decent point about Med/Sci/Atmos maint, but I have to ask, where do you think this other exit should be? Departments make up the entire perimeter of the northern half of the station. (Also I'm pretty sure you can duck down and exit outside of Telescience, so really it's just a path to avoid the outside of Med/Sci if something went to shit.)

I thought quit a bit about this aswell. Robotics could stand to be slimmed down on the left (or mechbay made smaller or even both) to allow a maintenance that runs through from behind the toxins gas storage, past chemistry into the main hallway. Gas storage is also gigantic I'd make it smaller and/or shift it so it's in the hallway for the toxins test site (wasted space), force toxins to interact with atmos to get more gas if needed.

Or a Maintenance that cuts through the central hallway from the exit by the sec post that then goes between mechbay and robotics. It just needs something to cut down that maintenance into something that's more easy.

If space is a issue move a part of the science department, I don't play science and i'm not quite sure on this. I have no idea what the room opposite the server room is for, I'm going to assume just by looking at the map.img it's a gas mixing area, for what purpose I dunno, but it's big enough to be considered a waste of space, or for another part of the labs to be moved there, like toxins storage or both.

Difference between ducking out from telesci or the engineering tool storage exit is negligible, you're still trekking across two entire departments.

3.) I've never seen anyone use said garden and that's probably literally the main reason why
And no, gloves are meant to be semi-limited considering you pretty much have all-access given time once you obtain gloves. There are 2 non-Engineering pairs of gloves on the entire map and I think it should stay that way - We have enough Security issues as-is (Also Budget Insulated might work like actual gloves, in case you didn't know; they have a chance of not working at all, doing 200% shock damage, or working perfectly)
ADDITIONALLY there are toolbelts in the maint loot rotation and I see them fairly often, not to mention the fact that they have a chance to spawn in tool storage.

I use the public garden, I'm not sure about anyone else. The point being is, you get three packs of seeds, one corn one wheat and one ambrosia. There is no facility to get more seeds, other than breaking into botany. There is no fertiliser, so again you have to break into botany, or waste one of the corn/wheat seed packs (after growing them) to use in the biomass thingamabob. Corn and wheat only last one harvest, which are usually piss poor yield. Ambrosia is the only one that churns out at reasonable rate.

Toolbelts suffer the same problem as the random maint loot, (flashlights too), you'll either get a nice amount or none at all.

You make a fair point about the gloves, however both available gloves are in one place only, tool storage. They are gone literally as soon as the round starts.

As for costumes, why aren't they in some special vendor or whatever?

Mail man costume and others (ian shirt etc etc) were usually hidden as secret loots on box/meta in walls. Some of them appear in the autodrobe, some of them don't. Costumes spawning in the dorms (usually 3 outfit sets on a rack) and a few select places in maint was one of my favourite things from meta. The only outfit that I've found that was secret loot from box/meta was the rainbow outfit set, which is just slung into a easy to find locker.

[Wyzack]

Assuming goonchem is here to stay can we get a ghetto chem in maint? I sosososososo badly want to become a backally crank dealer

[Snakebutt]

Assuming goonchem is here to stay can we get a ghetto chem in maint? I sosososososo badly want to become a backally crank dealer

portable dispenser/heater boards and some metal, set up in the abandoned bathroom/bar(great place for stealth uploads too)

[Wyzack]

The detctive's office needs another light fixture in it, even with the lamp the top right corner is pitch black and it looks bad

[Wyzack]

Additionally, can you fix the floor tiling in the maintenence bar? This has been a problem on every map where the gaps where no floortiles are present become default grey when you lay a tile down, but the ones around it are the checkered reddish ones

[Snakebutt]

Additionally, can you fix the floor tiling in the maintenence bar? This has been a problem on every map where the gaps where no floortiles are present become default grey when you lay a tile down, but the ones around it are the checkered reddish ones

Perhaps replace the gaps with damaged tiles? You still have to replace them, but it might fix the default grey from being put down.

On a related note, can we get a disposal chute in there for getting rid of trash? or hiding bodies?

[WJohnston]

Additionally, can you fix the floor tiling in the maintenence bar? This has been a problem on every map where the gaps where no floortiles are present become default grey when you lay a tile down, but the ones around it are the checkered reddish ones

I don't think we have any control over that, last I checked. When you replace a broken floortile it tries to put down what was saved there (unless the plating is also damaged in which case you're out of luck). But in the map maker there was no "tile before it got broken" for it to try and get back to, and it simply refuses to give you back to broken tile's look because that's how it's coded (which is fine).

Maybe someone can point it out, maybe there's a var somewhere that you can edit or maybe it's only done when the game starts. For now though I don't think this can be fixed without asking someone to change how it's handled (and no one wants to touch floor code).

[Comrade Leo]

Medical storage, and chief engineers office disposals still need fixing. Items entered, just get chucked right back out (which means they aren't connected to a disposal pipe network.).

[allura]

Medical storage, and chief engineers office disposals still need fixing. Items entered, just get chucked right back out (which means they aren't connected to a disposal pipe network.).

patience

[iteq]

two of pap's segways in the brig when

[allura]

two of pap's segways in the brig when

as soon as they get better sprites

[Scones]

engineering pod counts you as marooned

redtext escape objectives, dont count towards evac total

muh greentext

[allura]

ive requested sos to pull efficiency 3, with the hope that metacide is returning (he showed up in irc a while back), as i have completely kept his map maintained for the entire time.
http://puu.sh/falvB/39ae00ab2a.zip metastation's z1 and z2 .dmms, as well as a .dm

[Wyzack]

Wait what? I am glad metacide is coming back but cant we stay on eff3 until then? Box is awful, and that is not an unpopular sentiment

[allura]

Wait what? I am glad metacide is coming back but cant we stay on eff3 until then? Box is awful, and that is not an unpopular sentiment

sos doesn't seem to want to change the map no matter how much i ask, so it might be like that

[RocKeD]

This map looks pretty awesome, definitely going to try it out! One thing that bugs me though is the SE chem walls, it's driving me insane walls should not be like that! I made a mockup of a potential fix, this was actually done in an image editor because I'm not a mapper. I didn't move the tables cause that would take more time than what it was worth, but you get the idea.

[allura]

the walls can be like that if i want them to be.
theyre indented because theres closets for emergency there, in the central plaza where emergency equipment would be useful.

[RocKeD]

the walls can be like that if i want them to be.
theyre indented because theres closets for emergency there, in the central plaza where emergency equipment would be useful.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean by the walls are indented. If you are referring to my picture, that is one that I modified in Photoshop. Have a look at your station picture then my picture.

[allura]

the walls can be like that if i want them to be.
theyre indented because theres closets for emergency there, in the central plaza where emergency equipment would be useful.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean by the walls are indented. If you are referring to my picture, that is one that I modified in Photoshop. Have a look at your station picture then my picture.

ah, i looked at the map and saw that it's a 2x3 area of solid wall.
so long as a section of wall is aesthetically pleasing or more functional than it would be if it weren't there, it's usually fine.
since i don't care, you can modify the map all you want for your own codebase. i just kept the wall like that because it works better than your idea.