Linemap development thread (i finally finished the map)

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:37 am #20383

Bottom post of the previous page:

Take a hint from my AI Core's design.

The AI Core proper should at least be 2 R-Walls strong on all corners. Also be sure to test the firing ranges of the turrets so they don't accidentaly hit the AI, there's a problem on Box where if someone is standing in a certain area the Turrets will hit the AI instead, which can be surprising if you left the turrets on lethal setting.

allura · Post by **allura** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:32 am #20426

the screenshot is outdated. the walls have always been 2 r-walls thick, i just didnt feel like getting online to do a new screenshot.

allura · Post by **allura** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:29 pm #20667

allura · Post by **allura** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:45 am #22790

alright, dumped old design once again

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:13 pm #22848

There's a lot of blank spaces (like the entire area around the bridge).

allura · Post by **allura** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:15 pm #22849

its space

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:44 pm #22917

I like that last layout a lot. Please don't scrap that one.

E: And by that I mean the one you posted two posts above.

allura · Post by **allura** » Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:36 pm #23058

construction is finished, as well as area since i decided to just do that as i made the map. time for the horrible parts!

allura · Post by **allura** » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:35 pm #23074

screenshot added

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:57 pm #23078

Hard to tell what white space is, hallways or space?

allura · Post by **allura** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:13 pm #23163

allura · Post by **allura** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:38 pm #23167

also sorry tokiko, but this map is basically an in-between stage. in no way is the eventually finished gripstation going to resemble this.

allura · Post by **allura** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:31 pm #25002

http://puu.sh/b1Tq2/7f02b5db59.png

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:51 pm #25004

Would bother SoS to run it on the main servers/10

Cargo looks especially cool with that layout. The whole thing gives me serious Efficiencystation vibes, for some reason. Also older design vibes, the way things are just a bit more compact all around. One thing I will note, though, is the gravgen was moved away from Engienering on Sibyl fast for a very good reason. Losing gravity tends to suck for most players, it was critically vulnerable to bombing... and a loose singulo had an even or better chance at eating it.

Artyom didn't have this problem as much because that would require something to ever happen on Artyom.

allura · Post by **allura** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:22 pm #25031

Hibbles wrote:Would bother SoS to run it on the main servers/10

Cargo looks especially cool with that layout. The whole thing gives me serious Efficiencystation vibes, for some reason. Also older design vibes, the way things are just a bit more compact all around. One thing I will note, though, is the gravgen was moved away from Engienering on Sibyl fast for a very good reason. Losing gravity tends to suck for most players, it was critically vulnerable to bombing... and a loose singulo had an even or better chance at eating it.

Artyom didn't have this problem as much because that would require something to ever happen on Artyom.

idk where i would move the grav gen that would be a secure location. i would move it though. also it probably gives efficiency station vibes because i used efficiency for reference in a lot of places, but i also used meta, tg1.0, and tg2.0 just as much.

the screenshot posted is already damn outdated because ive completely filled maint and added maint doors and gotten some places powered finally. ill put the new screenshot when im home.

edit: http://puu.sh/b2mpf/2fd04ebd67.png

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:10 pm #25037

Takes maintenance to a whole new level of random, complex jumble.
To me:
-The Security layout is weird
-Likewise those dorms just kinda stuck in there are bland and uninspired, should be swapped with the maint next to primary tool storage or something.
-The Centrality of Command is rather impressively done. It makes it a focal point in a way Box and Meta fail to, in both those maps it is more a large hindering block in the middle of everything.
-Small addition: The chapel's front walls should be made into windows.
-that random maintenance area above security and dorms seems uninspired, but the gibber is a huge tool.
-Speaking of which the nearest access to that maint area is all the way at medbay. Maintenance is large and stuff but that seems tediously circuitous.
-Surgery and the morgue really need to be separated. That's just depressing.
-While the ruined mech isn't really useful, it seems a bit ostentatious for the ruined maint. Too high-key.
-The only windows in perma (read: escape routes for daring prisoners/entrance routes for rescuers) are through the hydroponics trays, which need a wrench to move.

Note that while I've been highlighting flaws and lowpoints, it really is a good map and there's a lot to respect. I see still those roots in Meta and Box, a couple similar layouts, but that's hardly a bad thing at many times. Certain areas seem very inspired, however the Captain's quarters and the HoP's quarters are bland and uninspired - in need of touching up. In addition, Security doesn't really feel like Security - the floors are all standard tileset, and the flash/sunglasses/cuffs should in no way be in the same room as the cell block exits.

So the biggest things to work on, in my opinion, are security/dorms and the fact that that huge unique med area of maintenance is ultimately a linear route just going deeper and more tediously circuitous.

Edit: Of course the new screenshot you inb4'ed me with solved a lot of those Security issues, but the table with important stuff lying around and the perma setup are still present issues.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:43 pm #25142

I like it, but it's really just a different looking Box to me.

Time to replace Box.

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:27 am #25246

I love it very much.

There's two things that bother me though:

First, virology has 3 maint doors leading to it. You should probably only leave the one connecting to the backroom.
Second, the medbay counter looks really cramped, maybe move it out like box has it?

allura · Post by **allura** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:47 pm #25251

i've fixed virology, and i'll look into making desk bigger.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:20 am #26217

You should probably make the enterance area for the tube to the AI sat a little bit bigger, just make it one or two tiles wider. I'd also recommend placing at least one camera on the inside but there's probably a reason you didn't place a camera there.

allura · Post by **allura** » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:27 pm #26249

sorry to say, this map is dead. im currently thinking up something all new, and you of everyone should know that the best

allura · Post by **allura** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:08 pm #30119

screenshots

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:46 pm #32192

I like the restrooms, a nice quiet place to do villainous things. Very important in a map layout to have those.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:12 pm #32233

keep it up mang

allura · Post by **allura** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:04 am #32320

central plaza/garden thing?

most of cargo (i like it a lot!)
before i post screenshots, the bridge and security are both property of wjohnston. i added the eff2 birdge and eff 3 security at HIS ADVICE with HIS PERMISSION

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:19 am #32359

Looks awesome! You're almost there, man. Keep going!

A few things of note:

The science restroom should be flipped upside down, so that you don't have that problem with sinks.
The flowers in the central hub will default to ugly no-flower shrubs, ask a coder to fix this!
You've still got a lot of tile coloring to do with every department, though I know you plan to do this at a later date.

Great work so far, I look forward to playing on this map!

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:04 am #32361

>cap spare ID 1 r-wall from hallway access
>c4 costs 1tc
>1tc for all access when there's no cap

Also all departmental security outposts need to be connected to the main lobbies of their respective departments to watch for breakins and looters.

allura · Post by **allura** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:50 am #32377

on box the only difference is a single windoor that can be easily broken with a wrench. i dont see the problem.
as for sec, my mistake.

Septavius · Post by **Septavius** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:50 am #32378

lookin good so far, keep it up bud.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:05 pm #32486

Respect for that bridge WJohnston.

Updated full map?

allura · Post by **allura** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:22 pm #32974

made this for fun, unrelated to map

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:41 pm #33062

that looks really neat

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:37 am #33195

allura wrote:
made this for fun, unrelated to map

Isn't that just Cogstation? The one the Goons are running?

E: Escape along the bottom, overall C-shape, engineering above Escape, that bit of space/maint in the center, the mass drivers around the edges for rapid-transit, the fucking garden, this is goonstation you fuck

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:52 am #33197

You can even see the delivery systems in space, those free-standing structures.

allura · Post by **allura** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:41 pm #33219

no shit its cogmap. i made it for fun, it took like a week

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:07 pm #33258

I think the disposal system on box should run out into space a bit. Makes travelling down disposals more dangerous because you might get jettisoned into space should an antag cut a hole in a pipe.

allura · Post by **allura** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:20 pm #33264

paprika wrote:I think the disposal system on box should run out into space a bit. Makes travelling down disposals more dangerous because you might get jettisoned into space should an antag cut a hole in a pipe.

that's certainly an interesting concept, however, it makes modification of disposals more difficult. restricting disposals as well as atmos to maintenance is usually the best way to go about it.
why not just do what bay does and make disposals damage you as you travel through them?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:53 pm #33319

That used to be the case but we removed it.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:18 am #33480

i dont really think there should be more downsides to traveling disposals
you already end up in the mail room which either leads to security coming and fucking you up if youre being chased, or being stuck in the mail room for like 5 minutes because nobody wants to help you

allura · Post by **allura** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:59 am #33487

you can climb the table to lead now, since there's no windoors or anything

allura · Post by **allura** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:48 am #35718

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:39 am #35721

everything there is good except there's too much room in the back of botany that could be used for extra space in the main room
you could also try moving all the machinery to the top and having a long line of trays vertically

allura · Post by **allura** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:12 am #119708

JackHunt · Post by **JackHunt** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:47 am #119729

Wow, good to see this isn't dead. Hopefully getting it up to speed with a few months of tg code updates isn't too much of a nightmare.

allura · Post by **allura** » Wed May 11, 2016 4:59 am #175633

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 11, 2016 5:01 am

Looks good see you in a year

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 11, 2016 7:19 am #175654

Culdesac is real, don't' believe the box illuminati

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Wed May 11, 2016 5:17 pm #175739

Box virology is perfect and will never ever change

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed May 11, 2016 5:19 pm #175740

You can't really make viro better than it is on box/meta

allura · Post by **allura** » Wed May 11, 2016 11:58 pm #175858

ShadowDimentio · Thu May 12, 2016 12:58 am

>Windows in toxin storage
>Non reinforced walls
>LITERALLY CONNECTED TO THE RD'S OFFICE

The map is shit just because of this