FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
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FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
Ever since Delta came around with the SM engine in atmos, I've been playing atmos tech a lot. It's a pretty alright job. You get to fool around with the incinerator, and help the station out when an alert pops up, and it has good traitorin' potential.
There is one issue I keep stumbling across, however. Let's say that there's been a breach in an area. What usually happens is, the air gets cold, and then because the pressure is lower from the cold air compressing as well as the air leaking out, the vents put out more, warmer air. So you can actually end up with a room that's overpressured and cold. The best option for this and many other gas issues is the wonderful Draught operating mode! It siphons air while also refilling, sucking away that bad cold air and refilling it! Then, you'll probably set it to siphon a bit more to get rid of excess pressure.
so HOLY FUCKING SHIT GREEN BOXES ON SCRUBBERS DOESN'T MEAN I'M A TRAITOR. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE AI IS ROGUE. People get so #triggered by siphoning vents and yes sometimes it means bad shit but take a moment to assess the goddamn situation.
Like another time cargo had a breach and I was in with a heater trying to fix the area up. Even with 2 cargo techs going "dude he's helping" the cargo officer HAD to search me "JUST IN CASE." I told him to fuck off and let me fix the station and he went ahead and stuncuffsearched me anyway. Awesome.
Seriously, just let atmos techs do their thing. I'M ATMOS. IF I WANTED TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I'D BE FLAMETHROWERING YOUR DEPARTMENT WHILE THEY WERE CHOKING ON SCALDING HOT INVISIBLE CO2.
There is one issue I keep stumbling across, however. Let's say that there's been a breach in an area. What usually happens is, the air gets cold, and then because the pressure is lower from the cold air compressing as well as the air leaking out, the vents put out more, warmer air. So you can actually end up with a room that's overpressured and cold. The best option for this and many other gas issues is the wonderful Draught operating mode! It siphons air while also refilling, sucking away that bad cold air and refilling it! Then, you'll probably set it to siphon a bit more to get rid of excess pressure.
so HOLY FUCKING SHIT GREEN BOXES ON SCRUBBERS DOESN'T MEAN I'M A TRAITOR. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE AI IS ROGUE. People get so #triggered by siphoning vents and yes sometimes it means bad shit but take a moment to assess the goddamn situation.
Like another time cargo had a breach and I was in with a heater trying to fix the area up. Even with 2 cargo techs going "dude he's helping" the cargo officer HAD to search me "JUST IN CASE." I told him to fuck off and let me fix the station and he went ahead and stuncuffsearched me anyway. Awesome.
Seriously, just let atmos techs do their thing. I'M ATMOS. IF I WANTED TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I'D BE FLAMETHROWERING YOUR DEPARTMENT WHILE THEY WERE CHOKING ON SCALDING HOT INVISIBLE CO2.
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The Draught mode on the air alarms is amazing for making a hot area cool. Unfortunately, everyone shits their keks when they see a green scrubber even if the vents are still obviously on
Another thing: Please, for the love of all that is holy and good, stop putting volumetric pumps on the air to distro - it wastes the air in the air tanks and it makes it hard as shit to move around while fixing a breach.
Also, no, me adding heat exchange pipes to the scrubber system is not sign of traitorous activity; it's to to make sure the scrubbers don't get clogged with high pressure when they siphon a fire - heat increases a gas' pressure and pipes have a limit of 4.5k KPa and can't accept any more gas than that.
No, just because the cold gas tank says it has low pressure does not mean there is less gas in it than you put in - this is basic physics stuff c'mon.
Yes I am directly wiring the solars into the grid, no, this is not dangerous - it's literally safer than the SMES' output levels when we used the tesla.
Another thing: Please, for the love of all that is holy and good, stop putting volumetric pumps on the air to distro - it wastes the air in the air tanks and it makes it hard as shit to move around while fixing a breach.
Also, no, me adding heat exchange pipes to the scrubber system is not sign of traitorous activity; it's to to make sure the scrubbers don't get clogged with high pressure when they siphon a fire - heat increases a gas' pressure and pipes have a limit of 4.5k KPa and can't accept any more gas than that.
No, just because the cold gas tank says it has low pressure does not mean there is less gas in it than you put in - this is basic physics stuff c'mon.
Yes I am directly wiring the solars into the grid, no, this is not dangerous - it's literally safer than the SMES' output levels when we used the tesla.
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ATMOS IS A RESTRICTED AREA
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IT FUCKING ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPKPenguin321 wrote:ATMOS IS A RESTRICTED AREA
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walks into atmos breaking pipes
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Jeez man I just want that axe so I can go secure valids.PKPenguin321 wrote:ATMOS IS A RESTRICTED AREA
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ideally you want to use a space heater first to normalize the temperature in the area and then pump in the air
anyway it's always fun re-piping atmos to redirect plasma straight into the turbine, then get stuncuffed and interrogated as to why you were "sabotaging the station." I mean sure I was gonna use the exhaust to make single tank bombs, but you didn't know that!
anyway it's always fun re-piping atmos to redirect plasma straight into the turbine, then get stuncuffed and interrogated as to why you were "sabotaging the station." I mean sure I was gonna use the exhaust to make single tank bombs, but you didn't know that!
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do people actually argue atmos being a restricted area
>living on a metal hunk of shit in space, in a VACUUM
>the department that literally keeps everyone alive
>it's not restricted why am i being arrested shitsec
>living on a metal hunk of shit in space, in a VACUUM
>the department that literally keeps everyone alive
>it's not restricted why am i being arrested shitsec
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Sometimes I move all the oxygen in the oxygen tank into a single canister so I can feel like the oxygen king who decides who breathes and who dies
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I should add a green scrubber toy to the arcade machine it'd probably be more convincing than the singu toy at this pointAnonmare wrote:The Draught mode on the air alarms is amazing for making a hot area cool. Unfortunately, everyone shits their keks when they see a green scrubber even if the vents are still obviously on.
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Re: FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
>People who syphon plasma gas instead of using contaminated mode filters
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THISAnonmare wrote:>People who syphon plasma gas instead of using contaminated mode filters
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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>using pumps/vents to mass disperse gas
>not building a connector and attaching a canister to the top of it and leaving the canister valve open
fucking atmos plebs
>not building a connector and attaching a canister to the top of it and leaving the canister valve open
fucking atmos plebs
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>anonmareAnonmare wrote:IT FUCKING ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPKPenguin321 wrote:ATMOS IS A RESTRICTED AREA
>hissing
but yeah, people breaking into atmos because they don't like your setup is precisely why pneumatic cannons were invented
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i'd be in favor of making Atmos considered a max-sec area like the armory so anyone busting in for the fire axe can eat a permabrig sentence
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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I don't think any admin would bwoink anyone for killing people that break in to steal the fireaxe.Not-Dorsidarf wrote:i'd be in favor of making Atmos considered a max-sec area like the armory so anyone busting in for the fire axe can eat a permabrig sentence
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I like the idea of making it officially a "Your Ass Is Grass" area like being caught in the armory or the upload. People might think twice if they know that even if they outrobust the atmos techs sec are still gonna dump them in the perma wing
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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would that mean getting rid of the maint to atmos door?
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it wasn't before? i always treated it like one on the rare occasion i play atmos tech/CE.Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I like the idea of making it officially a "Your Ass Is Grass" area like being caught in the armory or the upload. People might think twice if they know that even if they outrobust the atmos techs sec are still gonna dump them in the perma wing
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And as far as I know, for the purposes of AI access denial it's right up there with toxins, upload, secure tech and yes, the armoury.BeeSting12 wrote:it wasn't before? i always treated it like one on the rare occasion i play atmos tech/CE.Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I like the idea of making it officially a "Your Ass Is Grass" area like being caught in the armory or the upload. People might think twice if they know that even if they outrobust the atmos techs sec are still gonna dump them in the perma wing
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Re: FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
The contaminated mode filters are probably new player traps more than anything. They'll get rid of enough plasma to get rid of the plasma overlay and stop the tiles from processing the air, but will usually keep enough plasma to cause toxin damage so you'll end up with perma poison rooms and a bunch of atmos techs wondering why they can't scrub it out. May not happen in smaller rooms, but I see it extremely frequently in the main corridors.Anonmare wrote:>People who syphon plasma gas instead of using contaminated mode filters
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Atmos is literally the admin's job of choice wtf lol.
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I always love playing Atmos. I get to do wizard shit.
Nothing upsets me more than someone coming in and messing with my atmos pipes.
#triggered
Also the jumpsuit is so fucking sexy oh my god
Nothing upsets me more than someone coming in and messing with my atmos pipes.
#triggered
Also the jumpsuit is so fucking sexy oh my god
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An AI set blood thirsty security on me once, because I had been repiping atmos. I honestly think we should ban players that don't know what they are doing yet are playing roles of extreme influence like the AI.
It's because it doesn't keep everyone alive, spessmen don't actually exhale CO2.Qbopper wrote:do people actually argue atmos being a restricted area
>living on a metal hunk of shit in space, in a VACUUM
>the department that literally keeps everyone alive
>it's not restricted why am i being arrested shitsec
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WrongScott wrote: It's because it doesn't keep everyone alive, spessmen don't actually exhale CO2.
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Yes they do. They have since the organs implimentation.Scott wrote:An AI set blood thirsty security on me once, because I had been repiping atmos. I honestly think we should ban players that don't know what they are doing yet are playing roles of extreme influence like the AI.
It's because it doesn't keep everyone alive, spessmen don't actually exhale CO2.Qbopper wrote:do people actually argue atmos being a restricted area
>living on a metal hunk of shit in space, in a VACUUM
>the department that literally keeps everyone alive
>it's not restricted why am i being arrested shitsec
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I'll prove you wrong.
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>I'm going to show the person who coded it that they're wrong about what they coded.Scott wrote:I'll prove you wrong.
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//-- OXY --//
//Too much oxygen! //Yes, some species may not like it.
if(safe_oxygen_max)
if(O2_pp > safe_oxygen_max)
var/ratio = (breath_gases["o2"][MOLES]/safe_oxygen_max) * 10
H.adjustOxyLoss(Clamp(ratio,oxy_breath_dam_min,oxy_breath_dam_max))
H.throw_alert("too_much_oxy", /obj/screen/alert/too_much_oxy)
else
H.clear_alert("too_much_oxy")
//Too little oxygen!
if(safe_oxygen_min)
if(O2_pp < safe_oxygen_min)
gas_breathed = handle_too_little_breath(H,O2_pp,safe_oxygen_min,breath_gases["o2"][MOLES])
H.throw_alert("oxy", /obj/screen/alert/oxy)
else
H.failed_last_breath = 0
if(H.getOxyLoss())
H.adjustOxyLoss(-5)
gas_breathed = breath_gases["o2"][MOLES]
H.clear_alert("oxy")
//Exhale
breath_gases["o2"][MOLES] -= gas_breathed
breath_gases["co2"][MOLES] += gas_breathed
gas_breathed = 0
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Scott wrote:I'll prove you wrong.
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breath_gases["o2"][MOLES] -= oxygen_used
breath_gases["co2"][MOLES] += oxygen_used
both carbon, species, and lung breathing (which all stemmed from carbon breathing in the first place)
As above, long before this actually!cedarbridge wrote: Yes they do. They have since the organs implimentation.
and yeah, while I didn't add this, I knew of it's existence from previously overhauling certain parts of that, Adding plasma as a breathable gas, allowing for previously only-bad gases to be breathed nicely, etc.cedarbridge wrote:>I'm going to show the person who coded it that they're wrong about what they coded.Scott wrote:I'll prove you wrong.
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breath_gases["plasma"][MOLES] -= gas_breathed
breath_gases["co2"][MOLES] += gas_breathed
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So it was only activated with organs, because I remember it not working before.
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It's just so slow you'd have to AFK in a single tile room for a long time before it becomes noticeable
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Last I checked, it'd take about 4 hours in a single tile room before the air becomes too scarce/too much Co2. So yeah, it might as well not exist with how insignificant it is.
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ss13 is about needless depth and simulation.MMMiracles wrote:Last I checked, it'd take about 4 hours in a single tile room before the air becomes too scarce/too much Co2. So yeah, it might as well not exist with how insignificant it is.
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I am pretty sure it was not activated because it would activate turfs and cause lag, we just have better atmos now. Also it's so slow to suffocate a 1x1 space it might as well not be simulated.
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How long would it take for 2 people in a one tile room? 3? 4? What is the equation for it.
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it's "amount of CO2 added to air = amount of O2 breathed"TheColdTurtle wrote:How long would it take for 2 people in a one tile room? 3? 4? What is the equation for it.
the amount of O2 breathed is:
total O2 in air * (O2_partialpressure/safe_oxy_min)
where O2_partialpressure is (total O2 in air/total moles in air)*breath_pressure
and the breathe_pressure is (total moles in air * R_IDEAL_GAS_EQUATION * temperature of the air)/BREATH_VOLUME
BREATH_VOLUME is 0.5
R_IDEAL_GAS_EQUATION is 8.31
and safe_oxy_min is 16 (this is why people set their internals to 16, any less triggers choking)
so altogether now it's:
total moles * (( total o2 / total moles) * ((total moles * 8.31 * air temperature) / 0.5)/16)
The total moles in a standard cell (turfs are called "cells" in atmos) is ONE_ATMOSPHERE*CELL_VOLUME/(T20C*R_IDEAL_GAS_EQUATION))
or: 101.325 * 2500 / ( 293.15 * 8.31)
The standard temperature is T20C, which is 293.15 kelvin
The average moles of oxygen in a turf is 22% of the total moles in the turf, so that's 22.876436762146016350471752426494
OR, FINALLY, IN TOTAL:
(101.325 * 2500 / ( 293.15 * 8.31)) * (( 22.876436762146016350471752426494 / (101.325 * 2500 / ( 293.15 * 8.31))) * (((101.325 * 2500 / ( 293.15 * 8.31)) * 8.31 * 293.15) / 0.5) / 16)
That good enough for ya?
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That is just false, exhaling CO2 wasn't always an enabled feature, I remember experimenting with it a couple of years ago.Remie Richards wrote:again.
it has always worked.
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gotta be more than 7 years then buddy.Scott wrote:That is just false, exhaling CO2 wasn't always an enabled feature, I remember experimenting with it a couple of years ago.Remie Richards wrote:again.
it has always worked.
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Re: FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
Tbh you should raise O2 consumption and CO2 production.
Make people scared of running out of air
Make people scared of running out of air
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also, i made it activate tiles because i got tired of spawning 50 mobs for testing only to have them all die because they used all the air in their one tile they shared.
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what a battle of wits
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Re: FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
Remie Richards wrote:what a bottle of twats
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: FUCK OFF I'M ATMOSING
lmao @ the dude arguing with coders who literally show him the code
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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