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I strongly suspected the borgs were one humaned by the Captain because of their increasingly strange behavior throughout the round after the Captain had entered their upload and seemingly changed the laws. I had asked twice if I could blow the borgs to no response (because there was no admin online apparently). They were constantly complimenting the Captain and calling her pretty and essentially threatening people who called the Captain ugly - Pepper Oni.
It doesn't matter if the president of Earth comes and says oranges didn't rig the poll. Oranges did rig the poll. The poll is rigged, and oranges made it... so he rigged the poll.Shadowflame909 wrote: Being honest, if a headadmin felt like oranges was rigging this thing. They'd of commented in this thread already
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jerkin it to this postangelstarri wrote:i know you didn't, your brain is too little to understand any sort of counter argument. i guess that's what you and oranges have in common, aside from never playing in any of the servers and conveniently skipping on answering challenging questions!PKPPenguin321 wrote:didn't read btw
Yeah but they still exist! r a d i c a l c e n t r a l i s mCosmicScientist wrote:>catgirls will be removed
>nothing ever changes
This is not a radical centre victory.
Hey man. My definition of Radical Centrism is that no one wins and No one loses.CosmicScientist wrote:Do you know what radical centrism is? It's sitting on the fence and refusing to budge an inch onto either side. It would also be refusing a resolution that is neither both sides losing nor both sides winning.
In a balanced democracy. It always doesCosmicScientist wrote:My mistake, rereading the actual state to-be-made changes means the only difference in status quo is ethereals and a second config option that doesn't matter since headmins of this or downstreams can simply enable/disable catgirls with an existing config defaulted to off, i.e. anyone who wants catgirls would go to the effort to get them and wouldn't want to make them a limited time offer... especially given how losing character records has and will happen.
So you are right, radical centrism did win.
this isn't an ending, but a beginningiamgoofball wrote:actually, we won, this is the end of catpeople
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
Oranges took great pains to let everyone know that he would not merge ethereals unless they voted to remove cats. There wasn't ambiguous bias, it was right out in the open.Bawhoppennn wrote: If the majority of players want felinids gone, then that's fine, but we can't have a poll that makes people think they won't get ethereals or whatever else without also removing cats.
Some people right?Qbmax32 wrote:[img]https://image.ibb.co/moOEvA/Screenshot-2018-11-10-at-10-17-26-PM.png[/img]
its oranges stop saying Oranges or ill fucking click the button dont test me
N O Wiamgoofball wrote:hey since we're pulling IRL politics into this when do we rise up and seize the means of production for the proletariat
oranges wrote:pork, the nondescript, commoner king, literally so stealth you could just your normal name in OOC and nobody would know, long may he reign as the secret commander
Deitus wrote:If your signature is scrollable it's too long and fucking obnoxious and you should feel bad
PKPenguin321 wrote:I've been had by yet another tg boondoggle
Regardless of whether other people agreed to the poll, oranges made the poll. Is the person making the poll not meant to be totally impartial? It doesn't look like that's the case here. Imagine if the dude in charge of voting machines was a raging Vermin Supreme supporter, that probably wouldn't be a good idea. He might make an IRV machine with options likeLazengann wrote:headmins signed off on it and then were too embarrassed to correct it when the implications of the wording was brought to their attention after
Why did oranges make the poll, then? And why is he announcing the results?Lazengann wrote:no the headmins are in charge of server polls because that's how the separation of codebase and server goes
Oranges wrote the poll options himself. PKP, someone defending him earlier in the thread, said this and seems to be sure of it.Lazengann wrote:he's the code guy, headmins aren't able to take code action on the results because that's how separation of codebase and server goes
And in this joint effort between the very separate & distinct departments of code and server, I think it would be fair to say that oranges deserves the majority of the blame for the poll being botched given that he wrote the poll and all of its options and also chose to exercise his power as headcoder to say "This popular PR will not be merged unless catgirls lose the vote".Lazengann wrote:it was a joint effort between departments and this is what we ended up with
He didLazengann wrote:he hasn't even officially announced the results and what's going to be done
The fact that any action whatsoever was taken based on the results of a flawed, biased vote that bribes the voter with the promise of new content in exchange for oranges' favored result winning.Lazengann wrote:oh whoops he stuck it in announcements which I don't check ever. What about the compromise doesn't satisfy you?
Etherals are brand new, never before seen content that has not even been testmerged. Of course people want to play them. Etherals can be added without removing felinids. If a race needs to be replaced to implement etherals (it doesn't), the vastly less popular flypeople are a perfect candidate.Lazengann wrote:saying it's a bribe is a strange argument because it's admitting that ethereals are a more desirable race than cats. If they weren't then it wouldn't be a bribe. And if one feature is more desirable than another then it makes sense to replace the less good with the more good.
Okay, let's have a vote concerning whether flypeople or felinids should be removed to "make room" for etherals, if you are really unironically backing yourself into the tiny, tiny corner of saying that this is an issue of race congestion.Lazengann wrote:flypeople exist as a punishment for teleporter abuse and therefore have gameplay value
Controversy is absolutely not a reason to remove something. Oranges is really controversial, I guess we had better remove him as headcoder.Steelpoint wrote:No other race has gained as much controversy as Catpeople, so it does make sense they'd be up on the exchange board for something more desirable.
Flypeople are a roundstart race, as I have already said earlier.Steelpoint wrote:There has never been a debate on removing Flypeople, they are a punishment race for misusing a ingame mechanic.
The issue has been congestion of round start races, of which Catpeople are.
three pages ago, me wrote:Flypeople are a roundstart raceQustinnus wrote: >roundstart
dumb person
To all users who do not regularly play the game, I recommend you refrain from commenting in this thread.
You are right. If something is controversial, that is, if people care about it, we must remove it. Everything filled with passion must be cut out and replaced with pleasant and safe tapioca pudding that offends no one.Steelpoint wrote:You'd have to be blind to miss the fact that ever since Catpeople were added we've seen constant and consistent debates, discussion and drama surrounding them. I do not think there is any other feature in the game that has gained this level of controversy over such an extended period of time.
Oranges as well. This whole thread is the result of his actions. He has caused multiple headmin interventions, not just in this issue but in others. You were exactly right, controversy is grounds for removal, and that is why we have to remove oranges. You said it better than I could have.Steelpoint wrote:Except the level of controversy surrounding Catpeople has resulted in a unprecedented level of administration interventions, including multiple config changes, many polls and entire campaigns based around the retention or removal of them.
I'm glad you've seen the light on the catgirl issue. Good luck with removing oranges!afelinidisfinetoo wrote:You were exactly right, controversy is grounds for removal, and that is why we have to remove oranges. You said it better than I could have.
Great, then this issue is closed.Lazengann wrote:I'm glad you've seen the light on the catgirl issue. Good luck with removing oranges!afelinidisfinetoo wrote:You were exactly right, controversy is grounds for removal, and that is why we have to remove oranges. You said it better than I could have.
Substitute "you" for "oranges" as necessary for the questions to properly parse. Please remember to answer all of them and not just one. It won't take long.Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals?
Is there some reason why a race needs to be removed in order for etherals to be added? If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople?
Was the inclusion of the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race" poll options an attempt to persuade the voters to vote to remove felinids? If not, what was your specific motivation in making these poll options?
How are etherals or IPCs relevant to this poll's stated premise, which was to gauge whether or not felinids belong in the game? Do you believe that motivating the voters with the promise of other races in any way taints the poll?
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