Incomptinence wrote:... it looks like bay are rejecting it because space racists are quite valid on bay, well they will get beaten up that is. With baymed and being an asshole leading to maybe getting refused treatment that seems potentially round ruining for the pretend racist.
They don't get beaten up on Baystation, just yelled at.
If you want to get gangbanged by a cat/ lizard squad for being a spiecest, that's Paradise.
Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.
That would be hilarious in rev
>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"
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Except they are no longer bound by law 1 for the heads and security.
And they never were from the start.
Pre-"heads are not human" law - Lizards aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply
Post-"heads are not human" law - Lizards (who are also the heads of staff) aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply.
All non-humans get law 1 protection until they prove themselves harmful to humans. Technically, non-humaning laws shouldn't be all that effective until the ai sees them harming a confirmed human.
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Ikarrus wrote:To clarify, lizards are not human and they are not protected by Asimov's Law 1
But they are protected by the Server's Rule 1. You can't grief them like you can't grief other humans as a human.
This is the simplest way to explain it without getting into all the implications of using some arbitrary exception in asimov definitions.
Of course all it takes is someone to PDA the AI with an order to kill all the lizard people to lift that Rule 1 restraint, the onus then falls onto the PDAer for it to be valid (i.e. the PDAer better be an antag or the PDAer is getting banned).
Ikarrus wrote:To clarify, lizards are not human and they are not protected by Asimov's Law 1
But they are protected by the Server's Rule 1. You can't grief them like you can't grief other humans as a human.
This is the simplest way to explain it without getting into all the implications of using some arbitrary exception in asimov definitions.
I think the extension to this is: law changes can/usually do remove that server rule 1/law 1 protection.
If I de-human somebody via AI law change, the AI is not required to not harm that person anymore via law 1 nor by server policy requiring harm before harming. At least that's the impression I'm getting from admin statements on the policy.
As far as I'm concerned, this will only decrease the amount of people who play command and security and proclaim lizards as greytiders by default. I fail to see what good will come out of it. Most of the posts in this thread come down to "hue hue hue we r so hilarious let's do eet".
Seriously, what the fuck is beneficial that comes from this?
The big problem with lizard heads is that they sign up as captain/spawn as captain and immediately rush the upload to human all the lizards. And don't bother to Arr Pee beyond "Master race lizards :^)"
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infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am
Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.
My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.
I'd move to enable this again.
Whatever
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kieth4 wrote:
infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am
Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
peoplearestrange wrote:Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.
My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.
I'd move to enable this again.
That AI should have been ahelp'd then, because it can't shit on lizards just because they're lizards.
Even worse that it shit on a head of staff.
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peoplearestrange wrote:Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.
My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.
I'd move to enable this again.
That AI should have been ahelp'd then, because it can't shit on lizards just because they're lizards.
Even worse that it shit on a head of staff.
Jeb do you even know the rules of this server?
Policy is that it can't kill them for no reason, it can still freely ignore them, and probably even kill them if they attempt to subvert it.
As long as we have asimov as-is playing as lizard is going to be a handicap.
And the racism config option actually protects the round by not having heads so easily killed.
So seriously here if you want to convince SoS to change it back start another poll. You can't really use this old one anymore because opinions may change over time.
He's said he doesn't want to change things just because people are loud about it. If you show its what the community wants -as a whole- I'm confident he'll have no problems with us changing it back.