Who cares what MSO thinks?(The fuck does host mean anymore?)

[AdenAbrafo]

Bottom post of the previous page:

The server is up. He isn't running away with the money. Turn off your computer for an hour, step outside or something.

[Oldman Robustin]

The server is up. He isn't running away with the money. Turn off your computer for an hour, step outside or something.

I only brought it up to dispel this shit:

Whoever runs the servers holds the power... MSO could spawn himself as wizard every round and it'd be within his right to do so. I'd quit playing on the server, but it's his every right, and as a result, he has last say on any decision in regards to the server itself, since he holds the keys to it and runs it.

I think people believing that a server is run in some sort of democracy instead of it being a (benign) dictatorship are idiots. For better or worse, MSO's word is law, and that's cool, because he runs the fucking thing we all play on, and if we don't like it, we're free to pack up and leave to hippiestation or whatever.

[Stickymayhem]

Who gives a fuck about the law.

MSO has unqualified rights to do as he pleases because this is a video game that he is hosting the server for.

SoS literally abused this in and out of game frequently thanks to this.

Can we just all be fucking normal human beings who don't have to break out the fucking bill of rights in every discussion.

[Oldman Robustin]

Who gives a fuck about the law.

MSO has unqualified rights to do as he pleases because this is a video game that he is hosting the server for.

SoS literally abused this in and out of game frequently thanks to this.

Can we just all be fucking normal human beings who don't have to break out the fucking bill of rights in every discussion.

SoS paid for the servers.

MSO is crowdfunding the servers.

It's not hard to appreciate the difference between paying something and soliciting others to pay for something. When you promise to do something in return for someone else's money, you do not get unqualified rights. Everyone here is a lot happier knowing that MSO isn't one Clinton 2016 election away from going full-SoS or worse, advancing the position that only his personality is holding him back from abusing his position is not a good position to be advancing... especially as a headmin Sticky.

The position that is currently correct,and the one that is best for the future (aka WHY WE HAVE THIS THREAD) is that the host is largely a maintenance role that in return for their service, receives a heightened status on the forums and on administration matters, the ear of the headmins, etc.

Why in the world a Headmin would push the stance of "MSO is literally our god and its only his benevolence that spares us" instead of a more democratic vision of how power is balanced here is just beyond me. MSO is not a god/absolute authority/etc., but as long as a headmin like you takes that stance then he might as well be.

[MrStonedOne]

Why in the world a Headmin would push the stance of "MSO is literally our god and its only his benevolence that spares us"

Because he likes and respects me.

Most people who take the time to get to know me rather then kneejerk do.

[Falamazeer]

It's not that I don't like ya, I just got out of a rough relationship with another host...
It's not you, it's me!

But honestly I do think you're probably right, I am being a little hasty, a little knee-jerky.
I was just stoked when I came back to no SoS, and thought we wouldn't have to deal with this sort of thing again.

[John_Oxford]

Who gives a fuck about the law.

MSO has unqualified rights to do as he pleases because this is a video game that he is hosting the server for.

SoS literally abused this in and out of game frequently thanks to this.

Can we just all be fucking normal human beings who don't have to break out the fucking bill of rights in every discussion.

Are you not feeling the freedom sticky? Need i break out the freedom gifs to?

[oranges]

Guys it's not technically crowdfunding since it's donations - which afaik have no legal obligations.

The only obligation he must fufil is the 50 dollar banner one.

[Oldman Robustin]

Why in the world a Headmin would push the stance of "MSO is literally our god and its only his benevolence that spares us"

Because he likes and respects me.

Most people who take the time to get to know me rather then kneejerk do.

If the world was powered by irony, you would've just given us a lifetime's supply.

First time we crossed paths it was in a thread about coderbus, you called me a powergamer and basically said my arguments were invalid because I was a power gamer. The second time I asked(just once, politely) in Adminhelp to reduce traitor-weighting since I had just endured 4 roundstart macrobombs as HoS, so naturally you toss the HoS a 5 minute ban during evacuation for "being whiny".

Forgive me if I don't have a large reservoir of faith in your steady, reasoned judgment.

But this isn't even about you, or Sticky's opinion of you. If the person who replaces you turns into "that guy" and begins to drive the server into the ground, Sticky's argument is just as valid... if we all agree that even a crowd-funded server is subject to the absolute whims of the resident host, that power would be available to all your successors, and at some point we will be reminded that giving someone absolute authority over the server without any accountability is an awful idea.

This side topic wasn't even raised because I think you're a bad host, but rather I'm just not happy that a couple people are arguing that despite being crowdfunded we're still completely subject to the whims of the host, which isn't even true from a legal perspective... and I'd rather it not be true from a practical perspective either. Of all the things that have changed since I came here, headmins are one of the few things I think has undoubtedly improved and it would be an important symbolic step here to affirm that the elected headmins should have the final say on all /tg/station matters.

[Wyzack]

Go find a real normal person and try to explain all of this to them. It really helps to get some fucking perspective. MSO may not be paying but he is putting in a fuckload of time and hard ass work to keep this trainwreck rolling. His power is pretty clearly defined despite what some are saying in this thread, and he is doing a fine job despite the people flinging shit like chimps. Don't be cunts, play your damn space game

[callanrockslol]

Who gives a fuck about the law.

MSO has unqualified rights to do as he pleases because this is a video game that he is hosting the server for.

SoS literally abused this in and out of game frequently thanks to this.

Can we just all be fucking normal human beings who don't have to break out the fucking bill of rights in every discussion.

hahahahah.

New election now.

[peoplearestrange]

Sticky wasn't voted by the players. Got the admin vote.

Anyway I think this is done now.