Goonstation's full code got leaked.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:21 am #158978

Bottom post of the previous page:

Nexendia wrote:So that makes the code near useless for anyone that branched from tg?

Unfortunately, yes. More unfortunately, "branches forked from /tg/station" includes basically everyone.

Nexendia · Post by **Nexendia** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:23 am #158979

Cheridan wrote:
Nexendia wrote:So that makes the code near useless for anyone that branched from tg?
Unfortunately, yes. More unfortunately, "branches forked from /tg/station" includes basically everyone.

Good thing rules were made to be broken, right?

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:39 am #158980

https://www.digg.com/r/SS13/comments/ ... tion_team/

Goon wrote: I am sure many will make a point of yelling "DAMAGE CONTROL", "Fucking GOONLUMINATI" "lol HORSE AFTER THE CART" or something else. The bile poured out at us since the leak has been rather astonishing. We will always have our detractors. However, we hope that people get some use and enjoyment out of this code now that it is out there. We will not be seeking to have any githubs / bitbuckets / codebazaars / internetvaluewarehouses pulled down, so sharing the "leaked" link isn't really going to be an issue. The spam can stop.

Does this imply that they are okay with people using the leaked code? If so does this change /tg/'s postion on using the leaked code due terrorism.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:42 am #158981

Does this mean we will see new servers that are forked goon code?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:57 am #158987

starmute wrote:Does this imply that they are okay with people using the leaked code? If so does this change /tg/'s postion on using the leaked code due terrorism.

They still probably want everybody involved to choke on an indeterminate amount of cocks, but they're not going to make a huge deal out of it now that its already out and everywhere because they know screaming DELEEETE THIIIIIIIS does literally nothing on the internet.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:58 am #158988

The only reason they even released the code was to save face.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:10 am #158989

starmute wrote: Does this imply that they are okay with people using the leaked code? If so does this change /tg/'s postion on using the leaked code due terrorism.

Read the rest of the thread. It doesn't matter how "okay with it" they are, that's not how licenses work. If they wanted to officially and legally change the license to not include Share-Alike they would need authorization from everyone who's ever contributed to goonstation.

Wyzack wrote:Does this mean we will see new servers that are forked goon code?

Absolutely.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:14 am #158990

From what little I'm aware of licensing can't we just just comment specific code as CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 and still keep our catch all GNU AGPL v3 for everything else?

And don't say "we don't have any premise for having certain code have something other than AGPL v3" cause we do. Tgui is CC BY-SA 4.0.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:14 am #158992

Incoming wrote:From what little I'm aware of licensing can't we just just comment specific code as CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 and still keep our catch all GNU AGPL v3 for everything else?

And don't say "we don't have any premise for having certain code have something other than AGPL v3" cause we do. Tgui is CC BY-SA 4.0.

Not accurate. The assets are CC BY-SA, same as most of our assets.

The clientside code is licensed under MIT. MIT is compatible with AGPL. MIT has very few restrictions and therefore has great license compatibility.

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/14933

Post by **lumipharon** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:01 am #159000

So uh, since I know nothing about this license stuff, what happens if you just ignore the license incompatibilities and incorporate their code?

In reality though I assume it would be more logical (if not more practical due to code differences/incompatibilities) to write new code based off what we see in gooncode?

Post by **oranges** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:04 am #159002

Highly trained teams of legal ninja's from the EFF swoop in your window and you sword fight them to the death.

If you're skilled enough to beat them stallmanu himself will come down on a ray of light and fight you with the gnu.

in all honesty probably nothing but we should avoid it anyway.

The Ultimate Chimera · Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:50 am

I wonder how he leaked it.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:53 am #159011

Goon coder had their password leaked, so the hacker found it, logged in, and got the code.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:30 am #159012

Zilenan91 wrote:The only reason they even released the code was to save face.

Or maybe they realised there's no point closing the barn doors when the horse has already bolted.

Not everyone is a whiney pathetic cry baby, zilenan

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:12 am #159034

lumipharon wrote:So uh, since I know nothing about this license stuff, what happens if you just ignore the license incompatibilities and incorporate their code?

someone can sue you for violating a license and will probably win the case

it is unlikely to happen but we don't use licenses for nothing

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:27 am #159035

Highlight of my year

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:55 pm #159109

I get some sort of sadistic satisfaction from this. Smug goon bastards

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:56 pm #159110

Goon Mining for /tg/ when?

Just say you took 'inspiration' from the goon code.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:33 pm #159114

Steelpoint wrote:Goon Mining for /tg/ when?

Just say you took 'inspiration' from the goon code.

its on my todo list, a mashup of tg and goon mining

Smeller · Post by **Smeller** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:52 pm #159124

Waiting for Lifeweb code leak 2022 now

Post by **MMMiracles** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:07 pm #159128

"borrow" all the terrain assets so we can start making our away missions look less ass.

onleavedontatme · Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:10 pm

MMMiracles wrote:"borrow" all the terrain assets so we can start making our away missions look less ass.

So much good stuff, don't even know where to begin.

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:18 pm

Haha nope sorry.
sprite's aren't compatible either.

we can take literally nothing from this codebase.

(I mean technically the *IDEAS* are easier to get from the code/sprites than from playing goon, but we could already take the ideas)

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:19 pm #159134

Cheridan wrote:It is licensed under CC BY NC SA. The SA part means Share-Alike, which is a requirement that all derivatives of the licensed material be licensed under the same license. The license we use for our code is AGPL, which is not compatible with CC BY NC SA.

HOWEVER, our art assets are already licensed as CC BY NC SA, which is compatible with AGPL as they are not technically required for compiling the product. Meaning that we can freely incorporate any sprites in the release.

So does that mean we can use all the Wraith sprites/UI and apply it to Revenant?

Remie Richards wrote:Haha nope sorry.
sprite's aren't compatible either.

we can take literally nothing from this codebase.

(I mean technically the *IDEAS* are easier to get from the code/sprites than from playing goon, but we could already take the ideas)

How the fuck are Sprites not compatible?

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:23 pm

Cheridan was wrong, ours are CC BY SA, not CC BY NC SA, because for whatever reason we allow people to sell our sprites.
this is woefully not compatible with CC BY NC SA, which does /not/ allow selling of material.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:24 pm #159138

I cry.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:31 pm #159139

So, can't we just change our license somehow?

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:31 pm #159140

Remie Richards wrote:Cheridan was wrong, ours are CC BY SA, not CC BY NC SA, because for whatever reason we allow people to sell our sprites.
this is woefully not compatible with CC BY NC SA, which does /not/ allow selling of material.

Dumb question, but is there a way to transition from CC BY SA, to CC BY NC SA?

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:32 pm

DemonFiren wrote:So, can't we just change our license somehow?

Helios wrote: Dumb question, but is there a way to transition from CC BY SA, to CC BY NC SA?

That's what I'm looking in to.
to see if we can draw a line in the sand as it were.

We can't relicense the assets we already have, as that would require gathering anyone who as ever sprited for tg, and asking them to agree.

But I haven't yet found anything stopping us saying
"All assets prior to 03/03/2016 are licensed as CC BY SA, all assets after this date are licensed as CC BY NC SA, unless otherwise stated"

We have a similar line in the sand for when we went from GPL -> AGPL.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:38 pm #159145

Remie Richards wrote:Cheridan was wrong, ours are CC BY SA, not CC BY NC SA, because for whatever reason we allow people to sell our sprites.
this is woefully not compatible with CC BY NC SA, which does /not/ allow selling of material.

I don't really see why we couldn't use CC BY NC SA sprites since our license is just a more permissive version of the same license. Just keep a readme somewhere of icon(states) that can't be commercialized.

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:45 pm

Incoming wrote:
Remie Richards wrote:Cheridan was wrong, ours are CC BY SA, not CC BY NC SA, because for whatever reason we allow people to sell our sprites.
this is woefully not compatible with CC BY NC SA, which does /not/ allow selling of material.
I don't really see why we couldn't use CC BY NC SA sprites since our license is just a more permissive version of the same license. Just keep a readme somewhere of icon(states) that can't be commercialized.

No, it's explicitly stated those two are not compatible.
I'm leaving what we have as CC BY SA, but I'm going to make everything in the FUTURE CC BY NC SA, so we *can* use goon sprites/sounds, if we want (and also because selling other people's sounds/sprites is dumb)

Edit: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/15903

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:06 pm #159152

Is this because of Erro selling ian mugs?

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:15 pm

Malkevin wrote:Is this because of Erro selling ian mugs?

No.

and Erro can continue to sell those mugs if he chooses, given that the Ian sprite will remain CC-BY-SA.

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:15 pm

Malkevin wrote:Is this because of Erro selling ian mugs?

No.

and Erro can continue to sell those mugs if he chooses, given that the Ian sprite will remain CC-BY-SA.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:55 pm #159168

public domain everything

Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:50 am

Cheridan wrote:Good news, everyone! Goon has made a full public release of their code in response to the leak!

where actually is this release because i can't fuckin' find it

Post by **Jordie0608** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:28 am #159246

It was taken down pending a new release which has the code and assets from the devs who don't agree to the release being removed or remade.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:46 am #159258

They posted it on the /r/SS13 on digg. Many Developers for SS13 servers post there often.

Here's a link to the Goon teams 'official' announcement on the issue, as well as a link in the comments to their official code release: https://www.digg.com/r/SS13/comments/ ... tion_team/

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:09 pm #159273

Jordie0608 wrote:the code and assets from the devs who don't agree to the release being removed or remade.

what's the point of this with the leak out there?

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:35 pm #159331

Ricotez wrote:
Jordie0608 wrote:the code and assets from the devs who don't agree to the release being removed or remade.
what's the point of this with the leak out there?

Respecting the wishes of content creators.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:47 pm #159334

Cheridan wrote:
Ricotez wrote:
Jordie0608 wrote:the code and assets from the devs who don't agree to the release being removed or remade.
what's the point of this with the leak out there?
Respecting the wishes of content creators.

I mean what is the point of content creators objecting against having their stuff in the official release if it's in the leak anyway?

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:17 pm #159338

¯\(°_o)/¯

Presumably most codebases with scruples would decline using leaked material, as we do.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:27 pm #159938

iamgoofball · Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:29 pm

nothing got scrubbed from the re-re-release except server specific key stuff that literally only pertains to hosting the LLJK servers, guys

Post by **Jordie0608** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:25 am #160298

Ricotez wrote:I mean what is the point of content creators objecting against having their stuff in the official release if it's in the leak anyway?

Also the leak was not-quite-functional so the goon devs patched up the broken bits.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:09 am #160306

by the way, having sprites with a different content license is probably fine as long as the images with the more specific license are attributed clearly.

The CC licenses are not like the GPL in that they don't infect other works (other than derivatives) around them.

Supermichael777 · Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:13 pm

Licensing is confusing, weird, and due to the sordid history of the codebase probably irrelevant. Personal I like my experiences on goon code. I just cant stand the players or their hilariously explotible AI rules. Oh and you had to be an admins but-buddy to become Hos due to MUH GUNS. Their blob mode is good, add it to the shameless ripoff pool. Most of the secret shit was just a wired code meme surpassed by the rest of science powerecreep. oh and they still have original bombcode with silly caps so making ridiculous station killers is braindead easy.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:54 am #160574

Yeah they don't have caps on canister bombs so you can crash the server by setting off a bunch of those at once.

ExGame · Post by **ExGame** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:17 pm #161800

Taking a farty 2D spaceman simulator game to reallife court would be hilarious.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:47 pm #161880

So I went digging through their code for the chem recipes, honestly I don't get why they aren't just up on the wiki, the shit needed to make half of them is game mode specific and even then absurdly hard to make, for example in order to make a werewolf serum there must already be a werewolf on the station in the first place.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:26 am

Gibe recipies pls