The Catgirl Vote - Summoning Oranges

[afelinidisfinetoo]

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I appreciate that you admit the poll was biased even though it was biased toward the result you wanted. People should not eagerly accept this type of thing, because it can just as easily point in a direction they dislike next time.

[PKPenguin321]

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[PKPenguin321]

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[wesoda25]

You know it doesn't make any sense to put that as your number one vote right? It just has to be higher than the remove cats option

Do you even understand how the IRV poll works?

I mean I guess.

Still my greatest greivance is that the poll options were kinda weird. Like theres two removal options with exceptions, but I just wanted hard removal. Since the only hard removal options included adding two races I don’t care about, I was forced to choose between the two.

Also felinid the vote stands regardless of its oddity. I’m saying the strange part involves adding new species, saying “poll is biased against cats so cats win by default” is stupid. The bias would only affect whether or not coder approved species such as ethereals are added, meaning at most the bias gets something added the playerbase doesn’t truly want.

[NoxVS]

Still my greatest greivance is that the poll options were kinda weird. Like theres two removal options with exceptions, but I just wanted hard removal. Since the only hard removal options included adding two races I don’t care about, I was forced to choose between the two.

There was a choice for just a hard removal of catpeople.

[afelinidisfinetoo]

Also felinids the vote stands regardless of its oddity.

The vote is not odd, it's tainted. I've already explained how and why: the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race>" options are voter bribery. The results of the vote are worthless and cannot be accepted.

[wesoda25]

Still my greatest greivance is that the poll options were kinda weird. Like theres two removal options with exceptions, but I just wanted hard removal. Since the only hard removal options included adding two races I don’t care about, I was forced to choose between the two.

There was a choice for just a hard removal of catpeople.

Nope. I don't want headbands to remain (laser pointers are fine). Lord knows admins will just spawn 50 headbands round start so their waifus can remain attractive. I want absolute removal, which was offered with only replacement of IPCs and Ethereals. Which forced me to choose between the two. Which, in a way, forced me to support the coder schedule that I normally wouldn't.

The vote is not odd, it's tainted. I've already explained how and why: the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race>" options are voter bribery. The results of the vote are worthless and cannot be accepted.

Your logic is bad because, guess WHAT, giving a monochromatic, yes or no vote, would BIAS votes of people who maybe want cats removed, but on certain grounds. Meaning someone would only want cats removed if ethereals were added in replacement would be biased to vote no on removing cats. The new poll gives a more fair representation of the playerbase, something all the former cat polls fell short of. I still believe it isn't perfect though.

[Shezza]

>1 option to keep cats
>4 options to remove them

Not biased at all guys

[Shadowflame909]

>1 option to keep cats
>4 options to remove them

Not biased at all guys

are neko ears not cat enough for you!1! You get the tail and the ears! The only downside is you can't wear any cool armored hats if you're into that armor protection grind

[afelinidisfinetoo]

Your logic is bad because, guess WHAT, giving a monochromatic, yes or no vote, would BIAS votes of people who maybe want cats removed, but on certain grounds.

This has nothing to do with what I posted. You just kind of wrote something off your flow chart and ignored what I said.

[subject217]

just stop reading the thread lol

skimmed over this dumpster fire and will not be checking in again, no reason for you to do any different. nothing remotely productive or useful will come out of this thread.

[oranges]

so negative subreddit217

[Shadowflame909]

just stop reading the thread lol

skimmed over this dumpster fire and will not be checking in again, no reason for you to do any different. nothing remotely productive or useful will come out of this thread.

As a part of this dumpster fire. I agree. It's very unlikely that cat girls wont stay in some facet. Considering how popular they are among our player base. It'd be pretty shocking to see them get completely tossed.

So there's no reason to really get fired up here.

[DemonFiren]

>keeps repeating how unlikely is that cats will go
>keeps bringing up the playerbase's wants and desires as reason
lmao separation is absolute newfag

[Shadowflame909]

>keeps repeating how unlikely is that cats will go
>keeps bringing up the playerbase's wants and desires as reason
lmao separation is absolute newfag

I'd be worried mini-dino. As soon as cats aren't the main focus, what race do you think the players will complain about fetish-wise next?

Muh Blippery Blope


Changelog Update: All lizard had been forced to activate a advanced chameleon genotype that makes them mute invisible and intangible for all eyes to see

[Steelpoint]

I thought we already had this argument.

Lizardpeople are not really a focus of removal since they are a true historical handover, they've been in the game far longer than most of us have played it even if their roundstart playable implementation is somewhat more recent.

[Shadowflame909]

I thought we already had this argument.

Lizardpeople are not really a focus of removal since they are a true historical handover, they've been in the game far longer than most of us have played it even if their roundstart playable implementation is somewhat more recent.

You may be right. But you have to keep the lizards on their toes.

>Meteor round type

>Meteors caused dinosaurs to be extinct

>Some dinosaurs had scales

>Lizards are gonna get Meteor'd confirmed

I should start a youtube channel doing ss13 theories.

[RobustAndRun]

So many weeb tears in this thread, loving it

I sure hope that not being able to cosplay something completely unrelated to an intrinsically fun game doesn't ruin it for you

[iamgoofball]

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously?

This isn't an alt account. Like I said, I'm a returning player lured back by the existence of catgirls in SS13.
I'm pretty sure my last BYOND account was named something like "grieferkiller24" or similar.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. Could you answer the questions in the OP, please?

This is literally an alt account. Use your original account, or provide some proof.

[Qustinnus]

its ethereals not etherals

[Qustinnus]

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously?

This isn't an alt account. Like I said, I'm a returning player lured back by the existence of catgirls in SS13.
I'm pretty sure my last BYOND account was named something like "grieferkiller24" or similar.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. Could you answer the questions in the OP, please?

Either this is bait or youre the type of player I wouldnt like anyways @"im here for catgirls"

[Shezza]

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously?

This isn't an alt account. Like I said, I'm a returning player lured back by the existence of catgirls in SS13.
I'm pretty sure my last BYOND account was named something like "grieferkiller24" or similar.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. Could you answer the questions in the OP, please?

This is literally an alt account. Use your original account, or provide some proof.

Itt
Goof repeats the only ad hom he can apply to this person despite being told multiple times by admins that its a real account

[Steelpoint]

On the OP, what does it mean that 'remove catpeople' only won by 20 votes? The record seems to indicate the remove won (unfiltered) by a bit over 120 votes.

[iamgoofball]

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously?

This isn't an alt account. Like I said, I'm a returning player lured back by the existence of catgirls in SS13.
I'm pretty sure my last BYOND account was named something like "grieferkiller24" or similar.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. Could you answer the questions in the OP, please?

This is literally an alt account. Use your original account, or provide some proof.

Itt
Goof repeats the only ad hom he can apply to this person despite being told multiple times by admins that its a real account

so like not only do you need to fuck off forever because you're a disgusting person who abuses mentally ill people, but this literally didn't refute my point

this is an alt, they just disguised it, and they also just admitted it was an alt

they need to prove what their old account was lmao

[Denton]

Oranges could have just smashed that MF merge button instead of going through two polls, the latter one being filtered by MSO as well because headmins say orange man bad

If anything, this poll takes the opinions of the playerbase into consideration and is probably the most reasonable way to approach such a polarizing issue. The filtering is especially good since it weeds out all people who don't even play on /tg/.

[bman]

from now we all call ethereals etherals
t. etheral

[bman]

also felinid is the biggest pussy in this thread in more ways than 1

[somerandomguy]

>1 option to keep cats
>4 options to remove them

Not biased at all guys

t. doesn't know what IRV is

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ITT goof throws adhoms at everyone he disagrees with
Also felinid literally said their old account earlier on

[Shezza]

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously?

This isn't an alt account. Like I said, I'm a returning player lured back by the existence of catgirls in SS13.
I'm pretty sure my last BYOND account was named something like "grieferkiller24" or similar.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. Could you answer the questions in the OP, please?

This is literally an alt account. Use your original account, or provide some proof.

Itt
Goof repeats the only ad hom he can apply to this person despite being told multiple times by admins that its a real account

so like not only do you need to fuck off forever because you're a disgusting person who abuses mentally ill people, but this literally didn't refute my point

this is an alt, they just disguised it, and they also just admitted it was an alt

they need to prove what their old account was lmao

The burden of proof is on you buddy

[Qbmax32]

someone is mad they lost

[BONERMASTER]

I'm not particularly attached to catgirls, but this entire circus around the issue is getting ridiculous. I bet you that half the votes for removing catgirls are just trolls having big lols, yet I see here the most dramatic grandstanding "IT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY!!!" like jesus christ, even the poll itself was rigged, you left a single option for catgirls to remain, and in every other option they would be removed from the game, and then you built in some completely unrelated shit into the options, that have nothing to do with the felinid vote, like tieing in the addition of a new race with removing catgirls. It couldn't be more biased, stop bullshitting everyone and just admit that you are ass-blasted by pixels that look like cat ears & tails.

[Shezza]

There was a lot of discussion in adminbus before this poll was ran, didn't really pay much attention to it (mostly skimmed it) but the extra options were included to provide compromises, specifics, details, and options rather than a binary YES/NO poll.

ah yes

the compromise of getting another race that would've been added anyway
and a compromise of a race that was rejected because of being disliked by every maintainer

it was a binary YES/NO poll because there never was a middle ground, like disabling catpeople on one server (like we did in the past)

[Qustinnus]

People who argue that first round first votes matter the most forgot that goof had most first votes in the headmin election which used a similar system

[obscolene]

its ethereals not etherals

the only high IQ post in this thread

[somerandomguy]

I'm not particularly attached to catgirls, but this entire circus around the issue is getting ridiculous. I bet you that half the votes for removing catgirls are just trolls having big lols, yet I see here the most dramatic grandstanding "IT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY!!!" like jesus christ, even the poll itself was rigged, you left a single option for catgirls to remain, and in every other option they would be removed from the game, and then you built in some completely unrelated shit into the options, that have nothing to do with the felinid vote, like tieing in the addition of a new race with removing catgirls. It couldn't be more biased, stop bullshitting everyone and just admit that you are ass-blasted by pixels that look like cat ears & tails.

t. also doesn't understand IRV
You're right about all the drama being stupid though

[Mickyan]

The only way to make everyone happy is to slow down movespeed

[Boot]

They lost in a simple keep them or not vote. Catfags should be happy they even got an option on what to add in their place.

[Shezza]

They lost in a simple keep them or not vote. Catfags should be happy they even got an option on what to add in their place.

etherals would get added anyway

the only reason they got included in the vote was just to skew it

[somerandomguy]

They lost in a simple keep them or not vote. Catfags should be happy they even got an option on what to add in their place.

etherals would get added anyway

the only reason they got included in the vote was just to skew it

t. still doesn't understand IRV

[Qustinnus]

They lost in a simple keep them or not vote. Catfags should be happy they even got an option on what to add in their place.

etherals would get added anyway

the only reason they got included in the vote was just to skew it

ethereal

[confused rock]

>arguing with someone banned
Jeez guys I meant slow movement not this kind of slow, We need HIGHER iqs so when movespeed is nerfed peope can actually talk someone down in a fight instead of spazzing everywhere.

[Shadowflame909]

>arguing with someone banned
Jeez guys I meant slow movement not this kind of slow, We need HIGHER iqs so when movespeed is nerfed peope can actually talk someone down in a fight instead of spazzing everywhere.

Like I won't spaz anywhere anyways. My meth speed

[Qbmax32]

Honestly I’m just sitting here laughing wondering how many threads we’ll have of people on both sides bitching over catpeople. Seriously it seems like we’re getting a new one every week.

[bman]

slow movement is like impossible to implement with tg's current playerbase

[Supermichael777]

Anchoring additions only to the removal side biases the poll, without the option to have Ethereals or IPCs added and leave cats untouched the voters who only want the addition are effectively forced to support the rider position of remove cat-people. Frankly the poll creators should be ashamed for using such underhanded methods.

[afelinidisfinetoo]

I don't understand all of the tiptoeing around the issues.
A lot of you have taken to answering for oranges, but you're not answering the questions I asked. Could you please answer the following?

Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals?
Is there some reason why a race needs to be removed in order for etherals to be added? If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople?
Was the inclusion of the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race" poll options an attempt to persuade the voters to vote to remove felinids? If not, what was your specific motivation in making these poll options?
How are etherals or IPCs relevant to this poll's stated premise, which was to gauge whether or not felinids belong in the game? Do you believe that motivating the voters with the promise of other races in any way taints the poll?

Thanks

[Supermichael777]

Actually it strikes me that the data could be extracted from any votes that placed keeping cat people above straight removal in the replacement context. That might show us the true intentions of some of these voters.


Though any removal should stand on its own merit

[Steelpoint]

I believe oranges said that the addition of new species, in this case Ethereals, is only on the condition that in the vote that the option to 'remove Catpeople/Add Ethereals' won. Furthermore he stated that if that vote option did not win that Ethereals would not be added irrespective.

Your thoughts on oranges motivations aside, it does present the vote for Ethereals as a genuine choice since its very probable that they won't be added if Catpeople are not removed.

You can also attempt to argue that oversaturation of non-Human species may not be desirable. We currently have seven round start species you can select from.

[somerandomguy]

I don't understand all of the tiptoeing around the issues.
A lot of you have taken to answering for oranges, but you're not answering the questions I asked. Could you please answer the following?

Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals?
Is there some reason why a race needs to be removed in order for etherals to be added? If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople?
Was the inclusion of the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race" poll options an attempt to persuade the voters to vote to remove felinids? If not, what was your specific motivation in making these poll options?
How are etherals or IPCs relevant to this poll's stated premise, which was to gauge whether or not felinids belong in the game? Do you believe that motivating the voters with the promise of other races in any way taints the poll?

Thanks

>last question
The first law of shitcodedynamics states that shitcode cannot be created or destroyed, only converted to another form and moved to another place. IPCs have some shitcode according to all people and catpeople are code considered all shit by some people, so it is necessary to replace the latter with the former to avoid the shitcode appearing in an unknown place on the repo.

[afelinidisfinetoo]

The first law of shitcodedynamics states that shitcode cannot be created or destroyed, only converted to another form and moved to another place. IPCs have some shitcode according to all people and catpeople are code considered all shit by some people, so it is necessary to replace the latter with the former to avoid the shitcode appearing in an unknown place on the repo.

Felinids are some special head sprites and that's about it. There is no appreciable maintainer burden in keeping them.