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suicide peanut (x19)

Postby terranaut » Mon May 25, 2020 9:02 pm #562749

on the one hand
>banning because people dont want to play some shitty laggy map

on the other hand
>cringe suicide chapel on manuel

cant decide
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Kel » Mon May 25, 2020 9:12 pm #562751

3 days for suicide as non command but yet the punishment for suiciding as command is a jobban... ok
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon May 25, 2020 9:16 pm #562752

We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby General Thrax » Mon May 25, 2020 9:20 pm #562754

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon May 25, 2020 9:22 pm #562755

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby General Thrax » Mon May 25, 2020 9:24 pm #562756

this is a plot to kill manuel, terry will rise

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby FloranOtten » Mon May 25, 2020 9:36 pm #562757

Shoutout to n00blina for posting a peanut that only served to illustrate how shitty he was.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby terranaut » Mon May 25, 2020 9:52 pm #562758

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

550 time dilation is unplayable, at that point you need to step in and either do something like killing atmos and lighting or just force another map
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby wesoda25 » Mon May 25, 2020 10:58 pm #562762

If necessary ban the people who ic in ooced, to ban the people who quietly suicided is fucking stupid. If the game is unplayable don’t punish people for not wanting to play.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Armhulen » Mon May 25, 2020 11:10 pm #562763

wesoda25 wrote:If necessary ban the people who ic in ooced, to ban the people who quietly suicided is fucking stupid. If the game is unplayable don’t punish people for not wanting to play.

my thoughts, after 3 broken rounds suiciding is fine. it's the people who all met up in chapel from OOC commands and bombed the chapel to suicide is just another reason why this round went to shit so hard
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby BeeSting12 » Mon May 25, 2020 11:15 pm #562764

Meeting up in the chapel is acting on OOC info which is against the rules but also somewhat understandable so those bans were lessened to a day. People who suicided outside the chapel got their bans lifted.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Owegno » Mon May 25, 2020 11:45 pm #562766

This is why bot bus should ping supportmin and server specific roles when someone ahelps with nobody online. I can find at least 4 ahelps in bot bus where people are asking admins to come help them with the server lagging due to icebox. There is another one too that says that people are going to mass suicide at the chapel. Its so bad its almost funny that admins finally get on Manuel after people have devolved into breaking the rules to try and solve their issue.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby bobbahbrown » Tue May 26, 2020 12:05 am #562768

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Tue May 26, 2020 12:17 am #562769

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby teepeepee » Tue May 26, 2020 12:41 am #562770

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.

same thing happened on cerestation every round until they got it removed
it seems icebox is finally the one map admins will defend

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Eskjjlj » Tue May 26, 2020 1:04 am #562771

Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Kel » Tue May 26, 2020 1:36 am #562773

NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.


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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Cobby » Tue May 26, 2020 1:50 am #562775

Eskjjlj wrote:Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.


gaslighting this bad shouldn't be acceptable on general chat.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby confused rock » Tue May 26, 2020 1:54 am #562777

I was pretty mad at midnightrose since they weren't there to see how bad it was and it was totally understandable but then midnightrose posted the gettysburg fucking address in big red letters and I had to agree with everything they said so I was only slightly mad
Big fucking I told you so though felt good when I told everyone in ooc "THIS IS MANUEL GET USED TO LAG LIKE THIS SHIT HAPPENS" and everyone told me off
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:55 am #562778

Kel wrote:
NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.


dont ever play a paladin in a tabletop game for the sake of everybody involved

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Eskjjlj wrote:Play on the 500% time dilation map or be banned. You have to abide by the rules so go on and roleplay as you usually would.


gaslighting this bad shouldn't be acceptable on general chat.

cringe, dont buzzwordify "gaslighting" please, it has an actual definition that isn't "saying something i disagree with"
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby confused rock » Tue May 26, 2020 2:02 am #562782

honestly it's not like nobody tried to pull admins from other servers, most people didn't think of it but most importantly nobody was trying to suicide in bad faith, people were just trying to avoid getting another lag spike so bad that a restart vote would take 20 minutes to pass instead of 140 seconds. If this did somehow ruin your round then you're a complete idiot who should've realized this was going to happen and your round would've been ruined anyway either when the lag spike that was expected ended up occuring or when the wizard died.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby confused rock » Tue May 26, 2020 2:07 am #562784

fuck was it rose or anne who came on I don't remember they're literally the same person completely indistinguishable
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby SkeletalElite » Tue May 26, 2020 2:12 am #562785

>game is literally unplayable
>people agree to suicide in ooc because game is unplayable
>ban people who are suiciding

The IC OOCers who were ghost sniping should be banned but banning anyone beyond that is some real ban bot shit.

People who suicided without doing anything, even if they were in chapel, shouldn't be banned.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Owegno » Tue May 26, 2020 2:23 am #562786

I have just learned that supportmin was pinged multiple times during this situation. As a result my opinion is no longer neutral. I could understand harsh bans if nobody called for help but its pretty clear to me that people asked for help and it never came. I'd be pretty upset if I was in their shoes.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby NecromancerAnne » Tue May 26, 2020 2:53 am #562789

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.


You mean the time when I'm fairly sure command was banned for releasing the singulo on repeat? Or attempted to do so at the very least?

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I've played exactly one paladin. It went very well. Mostly because it was a redemption paladin so I had every reason to give people a chance over smiting heretics and evil.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Vekter » Tue May 26, 2020 2:55 am #562790

I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Naloac » Tue May 26, 2020 2:55 am #562791

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby IkeTG » Tue May 26, 2020 3:00 am #562792

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby NoxVS » Tue May 26, 2020 3:02 am #562793

what i find most hilarious are the guys acting like this is some unlawful act and the people have decided to do this and the admins have no right to interfere with the actions of the community
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby capn_monkeypaw » Tue May 26, 2020 3:13 am #562795

Owegno wrote:This is why bot bus should ping supportmin and server specific roles when someone ahelps with nobody online.


If we programmed the bots to ping supportmin every time an ahelp was relayed we'd have 0 supportmins within 12 hours.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Whoneedspacee » Tue May 26, 2020 3:42 am #562796

sorry lol

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue May 26, 2020 3:56 am #562797

Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Armhulen » Tue May 26, 2020 4:06 am #562799

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something

yes if extended but they did totally fuck over the wizard for not wanting to give up his wizard round, not cool :/
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby bobbahbrown » Tue May 26, 2020 4:08 am #562800

Armhulen wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Vekter wrote:I'm not gonna sit here and say a ban wasn't warranted, but 3/5 days is REALLY excessive.

seriously wtf, i dont think i would even ban for it, but if i did it would maybe like a 2 hour thing so they sit out a round or something

yes if extended but they did totally fuck over the wizard for not wanting to give up his wizard round, not cool :/


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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby TWATICUS » Tue May 26, 2020 4:13 am #562801

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Armhulen » Tue May 26, 2020 4:18 am #562802

also just from talking to a lot of people the problem always boils down to there being nearly zero people who want to admin manuel. no trainers play manuel, manuel is kind of a joke, etc etc but they had tons and tons of rounds that were hellish before this point and i really just wish we never came to the vigilante justice point
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby ATHATH » Tue May 26, 2020 4:22 am #562803

admins when people try to salvage any amount of fun from an unplayably laggy round:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC ... tu.be&t=14
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby bobbahbrown » Tue May 26, 2020 4:22 am #562804

Armhulen wrote:also just from talking to a lot of people the problem always boils down to there being nearly zero people who want to admin manuel. no trainers play manuel, manuel is kind of a joke, etc etc but they had tons and tons of rounds that were hellish before this point and i really just wish we never came to the vigilante justice point


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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Armhulen » Tue May 26, 2020 4:23 am #562805

ATHATH wrote:admins when people try to salvage some fun out of an unplayably laggy round:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM

Here, i'll get it for you. No need to thank me!

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue May 26, 2020 4:28 am #562808

ATHATH wrote:admins when people try to salvage any amount of fun from an unplayably laggy round:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC ... tu.be&t=14

U BROKE THE ROOOLS
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Timberpoes » Tue May 26, 2020 7:28 am #562830

You personallly ahelp during round. No reponse. Others do discord pings. Totally ignored. 550% time dilation. Restart vote took over 10 minutes to process and actually restart the round due to time dilation. Round restarted. Same map. Map vote passes before round starts. New map next round.

People OOC say chapel suicide.
People IC say chapel suicide.

You say nothing in either IC or OOC. You go to the chapel and suicide. Impossible to prove if you did it because of OOC or because of IC. Maybe when you went to the chapel and saw the gruesome remains of so many already dead people and thought it was the end times. First time offence.

Warning? Too lenient. Note and warning? Too lenient. Your punishment? 3 day ban. You appeal. Because you chose to suicide in a specific location, you get a day ban.

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Improper admin escalation. Address each case individually. Use the tools at your disposal as an admin to triage the bans by banning the people who actually did things that were worth banning first, and not banning the people who didn't do things worth banning at all after that.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Yenwodyah » Tue May 26, 2020 7:54 am #562831

Shitmin jealous that players are able to fix a broken game without them
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby donutstation » Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am #562837

anime admins are loser virgins lol

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby cybersaber101 » Tue May 26, 2020 9:09 am #562839

Mostly deserved, some more then others but damn it was very very toxic.
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Jack7D1 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:18 am #562843

Midnight rose, raveradbury, jimmius, owegno and justicegoat are our admins, very nice to have around. Good people. I'd go for an admin position to fill the void but it's hard to get in one.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Man_Shroom » Tue May 26, 2020 2:47 pm #562857

People suicide because they dont wanna play, would you have banned them if they had just closed the game and gone Braindead/SSD? You punish them for not wanting to play, by not allowing them to play. The consequences of this are, no one will wanna play on manuel.

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Kendrickorium » Tue May 26, 2020 2:59 pm #562858

if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby annoyinggreencatgirl » Tue May 26, 2020 3:02 pm #562860

NecromancerAnne wrote:
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
NecromancerAnne wrote:We will never permit people to grief the round due to round circumstances or poor round performance as a result of code issues.

If you break the rules, you break the rules. End of story.

That's odd, I have fond memories of the entire crew griefing donut station whenever it came up in the queue.


You mean the time when I'm fairly sure command was banned for releasing the singulo on repeat? Or attempted to do so at the very least?
It's kind of hard to believe things like this were actually watched for or cared about that much, when a (at the time) sitting headmin fairly explicitly confirmed my suspicions that admins were routinely allowed to sabotage Donut rounds under the guise of "it's an event!", the justification being "well they did a vote beforehand so it's fine..."

Tell us more about the sanctity of rounds, though. :roll:

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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby donutstation » Tue May 26, 2020 3:08 pm #562861

Kendrickorium wrote:if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years

what are you on about? pretty sure hippie has had more admins online than tg servers on average
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Re: suicide peanut (x19)

Postby Kendrickorium » Tue May 26, 2020 3:28 pm #562863

donutstation wrote:
Kendrickorium wrote:if you want to see what happens to a server that never has any admins on it, look at hippie over the last 2 years

what are you on about? pretty sure hippie has had more admins online than tg servers on average
they just don't intervene unless necessary, that's why hippie is and always was a better server


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