high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors

[imsxz]

laser guns are garbage against mobs that move and take more than 5 shots to kill

batons are 1 and done, we're right back to where we started

[Pandarsenic]

Space Dragons do be that way

[sinfulbliss]

Baton is the best weapon don't get me wrong, but once someone starts attacking you with ranged weaponry your batong becomes much less useful, you have to engage back with ranged or they can easily zone you out and stamcrit/kill you. I guess the exception is when you're in maint and by the time you see the other person they're already in melee distance.

High HP mobs aren't a big deal but I do wish sec had options other than just red laserbeam. Stun weapons have a lot of variety - pepperspray, teargas, flashbang, flashes, baton, disabler, etc... But sec lethals shiftstart? Just basically red laserbeams. Shotguns are useless without investing time into handcrafting rounds. Doesn't make sense an improvised round made with wire, metal, and a screwdriver would be better than anything the lathe could make even after heavy R&D.

I suppose you have the sec autorifles but I'm more speaking about what starts out in the armory. I wouldn't consider it a bad plan to spend 1/4 of the sec budget on autorifles shiftstart just so you have a decent ranged lethal option that isn't red laserbeam.

tl;dr: bring back buckshot and slugs except nerf them to the point where you feel they aren't too OP. They should obviously be better than laserguns just due to scarcity and being like 3x as expensive, but no need to nuke them from the game.

[Tlaltecuhtli]

dual wield

[Shadowflame909]

If everything got nerfed so hard that the stun meta came back. Can we nerf stuns and bring back adrenals

[imsxz]

Baton is the best weapon don't get me wrong, but once someone starts attacking you with ranged weaponry your batong becomes much less useful, you have to engage back with ranged or they can easily zone you out and stamcrit/kill you. I guess the exception is when you're in maint and by the time you see the other person they're already in melee distance.

High HP mobs aren't a big deal but I do wish sec had options other than just red laserbeam. Stun weapons have a lot of variety - pepperspray, teargas, flashbang, flashes, baton, disabler, etc... But sec lethals shiftstart? Just basically red laserbeams. Shotguns are useless without investing time into handcrafting rounds. Doesn't make sense an improvised round made with wire, metal, and a screwdriver would be better than anything the lathe could make even after heavy R&D.

I suppose you have the sec autorifles but I'm more speaking about what starts out in the armory. I wouldn't consider it a bad plan to spend 1/4 of the sec budget on autorifles shiftstart just so you have a decent ranged lethal option that isn't red laserbeam.

tl;dr: bring back buckshot and slugs except nerf them to the point where you feel they aren't too OP. They should obviously be better than laserguns just due to scarcity and being like 3x as expensive, but no need to nuke them from the game.

slugs have no place in the game. keeping shotguns to close range weaponry with high burst is a unique and decent identity IMO.

[Flatulent]

slugs definetly have a place in the game as an anti-low armor high alpha damage projectile type
the problem is that they are too versatile and overpowered
make them really shit against hardsuits/regular armor and we’re fine. make them slower reloading too

[Tlaltecuhtli]

slugs have no place in the game. keeping shotguns to close range weaponry with high burst is a unique and decent identity IMO.[/quote]

you know what else is high brust in close range? dual wield

[imsxz]

u cant even dual wield when ur right next to someone because ur on harm intent

also carrying 2 bulky laser guns lol

[sinfulbliss]

u cant even dual wield when ur right next to someone because ur on harm intent

also carrying 2 bulky laser guns lol

Wha? Sure you can, you just aim past them instead of clicking on them. Dual wielded disablers can fuck someone up quick.
Keeping shotguns as high damage close range guns makes sense but seems to me like if you can have autorifles do 20 brute per bullet damage at a limitless range with basically no reload or ammo cost at all, then shotguns should at least get some sort of love.
The bigger problem is that to even get lethal ammo you have to make it yourself. Might as well just readd buckshot at that point except in the form of improvised shells.
The fact the only other lethal option besides laserguns doesn’t have lethal ammo in the armory is kinda wack.

[Kendrickorium]

I haven't been so much as tickled by a shotgun for awhile now

[oranges]

reduce HP, continue to remove stuns.

I am 100% okay with traitors getting dumpstered by security at close range, not a single moment of sleep lost that's absolutely what I want.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

edit: there is not a single circumstance in which I would ever return stuns and slugs, period.

if I continue to see discussions like this I will just remove the space dragon event wholesale.

[sinfulbliss]

edit: there is not a single circumstance in which I would ever return stuns and slugs, period

why tho >:(

if I continue to see discussions like this I will just remove the space dragon event wholesale.

do it or noballs