HEADMIN ELECTION 2: RETURN OF THE VOTE

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:21 am #77647

Bottom post of the previous page:

Oranges has a point. Some of these questions people are asking are things headmins wont really have any say over or authority to control.

Public logs? Nope. That's all me.
Singulo? Nope. That's between me and Oranges.
Coderbus Politics? Nope. That's between them and me.

Focus on policy and rules questions. If I were voting (which I'm not) or running (which I'm not, though I appreciate the nomination) I would be focused on comparing and contrasting how different candidates feel about topics like

Defining what makes the game fun
Roleplay vs. Gameplay
Rule 1 bans
Silicon policy
Permabans and appeals

And other such stuff. Knowing a lot of these folks well I already have the answers to most of these things but you guys don't.
Now's your chance to grill these guys.

callanrockslol · Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:55 am

An0n3 wrote:Oranges has a point. Some of these questions people are asking are things headmins wont really have any say over or authority to control.

Public logs? Nope. That's all me.
Singulo? Nope. That's between me and Oranges.
Coderbus Politics? Nope. That's between them and me.

Focus on policy and rules questions. If I were voting (which I'm not) or running (which I'm not, though I appreciate the nomination) I would be focused on comparing and contrasting how different candidates feel about topics like

Defining what makes the game fun
Roleplay vs. Gameplay
Rule 1 bans
Silicon policy
Permabans and appeals

And other such stuff. Knowing a lot of these folks well I already have the answers to most of these things but you guys don't.
Now's your chance to grill these guys.

Right so, while public logs are you and that's fair enough, I really think that anything between the server and coderbus shouldn't just be you, same with most community wide things like that.

srifenbyxp · Post by **srifenbyxp** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:30 pm #77681

I vote HBL

Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:58 pm

An0n3 wrote:Oranges has a point. Some of these questions people are asking are things headmins wont really have any say over or authority to control.

Public logs? Nope. That's all me.
Singulo? Nope. That's between me and Oranges.
Coderbus Politics? Nope. That's between them and me.

Focus on policy and rules questions. If I were voting (which I'm not) or running (which I'm not, though I appreciate the nomination) I would be focused on comparing and contrasting how different candidates feel about topics like

Defining what makes the game fun
Roleplay vs. Gameplay
Rule 1 bans
Silicon policy
Permabans and appeals

And other such stuff. Knowing a lot of these folks well I already have the answers to most of these things but you guys don't.
Now's your chance to grill these guys.

Why would headmins have no input on public logs?

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:12 pm #77708

Hold on a minute. Coderbus's vote was transferred to them by SoS- the "official" method of determining the headmins is 1 admin vote, 1 player vote, and 1 appointed by the host. SoS had handed off his appointment to Coderbus to assign. Anon3, do you plan on doing the same?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:03 pm #77723

callanrockslol wrote:Right so, while public logs are you and that's fair enough, I really think that anything between the server and coderbus shouldn't just be you, same with most community wide things like that.

Headmins have no authority over coderbus though. What are they supposed to do, ban them from the server for making updates they don't like?
Headmins should focus on rules, policy, and players.

ChrisTheThird wrote:Why would headmins have no input on public logs?

It's a server feature. It's not policy. It's something I would have to enable in the configuration and work with people to get a database setup to host and display to people.

Compare that to "NO ERP!" which is a policy. No code has to be altered or changes to the server made. It's a ruling.

Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:28 pm

An0n3 wrote: It's a server feature. It's not policy. It's something I would have to enable in the configuration and work with people to get a database setup to host and display to people.

Compare that to "NO ERP!" which is a policy. No code has to be altered or changes to the server made. It's a ruling.

I believe that is irrelevant, if it's something that the head admins agree on and want then it should be implemented. They represent what the players, coders and admins want and if each headmin agrees why should you go against what the server as a whole wants?

I can understand your stance towards the coders and singulo as we have little to no power over them, but this however simply confuses me as it is something we can easily bring about if it's agreed upon

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:57 pm #77730

I nominate....

KOR!!!!

Post by **oranges** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:08 pm #77739

The separation between the server and singulo is absolute, full stop. You can imply soft power all you want but you do not have it. I am tired of reading administration platitudes for the billionth time and will not be checking back on this thread.

~GranGranCodeCuck 2012

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:45 pm #77745

Malkevin wrote:I nominate....

KOR!!!!

Please you're breaking my heart

*lovingly carresses a photo of a blob spawn*

I miss you bae

Post by **oranges** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:56 pm #77747

I nominate An0n3

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:59 pm #77748

An0n3 wrote:
Malkevin wrote:I nominate....

KOR!!!!
Please you're breaking my heart

*lovingly carresses a photo of a blob spawn*

I miss you bae

Kor's back, don't tell me you haven't noticed.

He even has a ban request against him already, truly the best player in the history of spessmens

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:40 pm #77758

oranges wrote:The separation between the server and singulo is absolute, full stop. You can imply soft power all you want but you do not have it. I am tired of reading administration platitudes for the billionth time and will not be checking back on this thread.

~GranGranCodeCuck 2012

This post makes my heart happy

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:24 pm #77762

oranges wrote:I nominate An0n3

I already was nominated and refused. Because that don't make sense. I appreciate your confidence in me though.

Malkevin wrote: Kor's back, don't tell me you haven't noticed.

He even has a ban request against him already, truly the best player in the history of spessmens

I know he's back. The thought of him running for headmin makes me gaze longingly into the ocean and sigh.

callanrockslol · Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:41 pm

An0n3 wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:Right so, while public logs are you and that's fair enough, I really think that anything between the server and coderbus shouldn't just be you, same with most community wide things like that.
Headmins have no authority over coderbus though. What are they supposed to do, ban them from the server for making updates they don't like?
Headmins should focus on rules, policy, and players.

Talk to them? Most of them actually play the game, a lot of them even here. Hell they even have their own rank.

And on "rules, policy, and players", everything they do has the potential to effect all three.

The divide between coderbus and everyone else is not absolute, no matter how much people believe it and who says it.

The alternative is to enforce a divide, remove the coder rank and delete all the development forums, then the divide would be a bit more prevalent. And nobody wants that.

Also worth noting that having coderbus, the server and the website run by different people makes the whole community pretty resilient, we've been through sites and hosts without it destroying everything even if it was rather abrupt, having someone different in charge of all the different bits and pieces seems to work pretty well. Going to a new host doesn't break anything while the bugs are sorted out and we don't have to worry about vengeful webhosts kicking everyone out.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:28 pm #77778

i have a question because i pretty much know the answer

is the purpose of the lifeweb question to root out "childrape advocates" as mandurrh has so ignorantly declared all players of this game like the retard she is
because from what i gather she had some sort of input on the creation of the questions and that is seriously a really stupid question to have if its for that reason like im sure it is

danno · Post by **danno** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:33 pm #77781

miggles wrote: is the purpose of the lifeweb question to root out "childrape advocates" as mandurrh has so ignorantly declared all players of this game like the retard she is
because from what i gather she had some sort of input on the creation of the questions and that is seriously a really stupid question to have if its for that reason like im sure it is

yep

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:03 am #77794

miggles wrote: because from what i gather she had some sort of input on the creation of the questions and that is seriously a really stupid question to have if its for that reason like im sure it is

No shit she had some input on the creation of those questions.
Those are all her questions.

Those aren't official adminbus requisite must answer questions or something.

Hell even if I ask you something you can probably choose to ignore it. You might look like a big dummy for dodging a real question though. It's your call.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:04 pm

Guys, this thread is not to discuss or critique other people's questions. Ask your own questions. Holy fucking shit.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:31 pm #78006

I nominate myself just like last election.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:45 pm #78061

When is the actual vote going to be?

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:25 am #78120

beeteedubs an0n3 says i can run so i nominate myself

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:04 am #78134

i nominate demonfiren

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:10 pm #78230

I can't believe Danno's actually funny for a change.

fartman · Post by **fartman** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:18 pm #78260

why is sabbat's thread allowed i don't see how he fits the criteria

why is nsos not allowed

Sabbat · Post by **Sabbat** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:58 pm #78283

fartman wrote:why is sabbat's thread allowed i don't see how he fits the criteria

why is nsos not allowed

I was nominated and I have prior admin experience.

Obviously I'm doing something right because of dat straw poll.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:34 am #78500

fartman wrote:why is nsos not allowed

He hasn't said anything to me about having any kind of relevant experience.

If he has any kind of reference or pertinent background and a minute to tell me about it I'd restore the thread.

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:41 am #78547

>lifeweb question is irrelevant and ignorant

Just in case anyone is completely unaware of what is happening here: We are using an open discussion forum platform to ask questions and discuss different candidates ideas/stances/opinions to decide who we(players) will vote to represent us and our ideas/stances/opinions best as the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY ON SERVER POLICY AND RULES.

Lifeweb is a currently popular remake of ss13. If a new headmin approves of or even enjoys some of the game aspects involved with lifeweb they could easily create/change/retract policy(s) or rules to allow some of these features on our server.

I do not want certain aspects of that game to become part of our servers accepted policy. So I asked if these candidates played the game. Asking this question should not be a problem to anyone. Even if you like lifeweb and would not mind seeing policy changed to allow some of the features on our server the question is still relevant to you. You may disagree with whether it should be allowed or not but knowing the headmins stance on it allows us to be informed of possible changes they'd be willing or unwilling to make.

Maybe you don't care if child sex is allowed or not allowed on the server. I don't care about surnames but someone cared enough to make a policy and have it enforced.

Im not sure what you believe headmins do but they very much so have the power to directly control policy for our communities server. The entire point of these candidate threads are to find out how these candidates feel about policies or changes that are important to YOU. So that you are able to vote for a candidate you feel will represent you best as players choice.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:51 am #78552

Mandurrh wrote:-snip-

Something tells me that no one in a position of authority on this server will introduce new policy condoning and allowing people to have sex with children in game. Your insane if you honestly believe that.

In fact, the mere insinuation of being asked if I (if I were running for headmin) supported paedophilia would really piss me off, and I really have to question why you would bring that up since its never, ever, been a consideration, a problem or even something that existed until you brought it up.

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:55 am #78556

Steelpoint wrote:
Mandurrh wrote:-snip-
Something tells me that no one in a position of authority on this server will introduce new policy condoning and allowing people to have sex with children in game. Your insane if you honestly believe that.

In fact, the mere insinuation of being asked if I (if I were running for headmin) supported paedophilia would really piss me off, and I really have to question why you would bring that up since its never, ever, been a consideration, a problem or even something that existed until you brought it up.

I didn't make up lifeweb and it is a very real feature on that particular ss13 remake that has very recently been made. Its not that far of a leap for the possibility of it being brought here if a certain headmin wanted it enough. You say no one would ever even consider such a thing but someone did and made a game with it. And quite a few of our admins and players enjoy it.

Post by **lumipharon** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:59 am #78558

That is... a very large leap of possibility. I mean, what?

That's fucked on many levels.

A: That that game has child rape?
B: That your question and logic seems to imply that if you like that remake you like child rape
C: That one ADMIN that likes child rape will somhow get a feature (which I can only assume means it's code) like that onto tg.

Just, wat.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:01 pm #78560

If the game heavily emphasised child exploitation as a main feature you might have a point, but as far as I have seen its a very, very, minor feature.

I'm not saying I support the feature (though I blame it on Russians being morbid to all hell) but I'm saying that say that anyone who plays the game, a game with many unique and interesting features, that have captivated a lot of people and say that some of them may be doing this for the child exploitation feature is a very big stretch? The game has captivated a lot of people due to it being akin to having your memory wiped and getting to play SS13 all over again. Its new and interesting.

I understand your concern, but I think its inappropriate to insinuate that anyone who plays that game to hold certain negative tendencies.

Honestly I think that the mere moment anyone in a position of authority would even hint at adding in that kind of feature, that they would be essentially thrown out of every single SS13 community in existence.

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:05 pm #78562

lumipharon wrote:That is... a very large leap of possibility. I mean, what?

That's fucked on many levels.

A: That that game has child rape?
B: That your question and logic seems to imply that if you like that remake you like child rape
C: That one ADMIN that likes child rape will somhow get a feature (which I can only assume means it's code) like that onto tg.

Just, wat.

A: Yes it does. Its even rewarded and required for some roles.
B: No Im saying you don't mind playing a game that allows it as a feature.
C: One HEADMIN that enjoys lifeweb can change POLICY to allow some of these features onto the server. As it stands rape and children are against policy on our server. But with the recent influx of people enjoying that game and wanting similiar fresh changes here a headmin could easily change or allow it if they believed it wasn't something that shouldn't be allowed in an ss13 game.

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:07 pm #78563

Steelpoint wrote:If the game heavily emphasised child exploitation as a main feature you might have a point, but as far as I have seen its a very, very, minor feature.

I'm not saying I support the feature (though I blame it on Russians being morbid to all hell) but I'm saying that say that anyone who plays the game, a game with many unique and interesting features, that have captivated a lot of people and say that some of them may be doing this for the child exploitation feature is a very big stretch? The game has captivated a lot of people due to it being akin to having your memory wiped and getting to play SS13 all over again. Its new and interesting.

I understand your concern, but I think its inappropriate to insinuate that anyone who plays that game to hold certain negative tendencies.

Honestly I think that the mere moment anyone in a position of authority would even hint at adding in that kind of feature, that they would be essentially thrown out of every single SS13 community in existence.

But I didn't I simply asked if they played the game. And it is currently a feature in an ss13 community. Also please see /vore/... There are servers that allow sexual fetishes to be part of their gamestyle.

EDIT: Wasn't there actually a rape server at some point?(is it still around?)

EDITEDIT: http://www.digg.com/r/SS13/comments/2 ... p_allowed/ Several servers allow rape. Someone even said its allowed on /tg/ if its consensual ooc. Until recently when erp was removed by HEADMINS.

Incomptinence · Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:58 pm

From what I understand of it from afar (server is up at ALL the wrong hours for an Australian) the primary issue isn't you can choose to simulate a pedophile rapist.

It is that the primary purpose of children existing as a role in life web is to be a victims of pedophile rapists.
The child characters basically are all downsides, you choose to be weaker and your RP/role is pretty realistically being a vulnerable weak child.
There are several other sexual oddities too like say the pedophile vice (and other sexual vices) can be apply to children making kids that need to fuck kids. Young children (real young) being into it too isn't just a brutality "simulation" it is pretty much pedophile gospel.

Too much trouble for a chance to inject someone with poo.

OliveOil · Post by **OliveOil** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:06 pm #78574

Mandurrh wrote: C: One HEADMIN that enjoys lifeweb can change POLICY to allow some of these features onto the server. As it stands rape and children are against policy on our server. But with the recent influx of people enjoying that game and wanting similiar fresh changes here a headmin could easily change or allow it if they believed it wasn't something that shouldn't be allowed in an ss13 game.

No, he can't. "no rape" is a server feature and therefore not subject to change. Besides, in order to actually change it you'd probably need all three headmins.
And I have the feeling that An0n would rather shut down everything than go down that path

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:13 pm #78577

OliveOil wrote:
Mandurrh wrote: C: One HEADMIN that enjoys lifeweb can change POLICY to allow some of these features onto the server. As it stands rape and children are against policy on our server. But with the recent influx of people enjoying that game and wanting similiar fresh changes here a headmin could easily change or allow it if they believed it wasn't something that shouldn't be allowed in an ss13 game.
No, he can't. "no rape" is a server feature and therefore not subject to change. Besides, in order to actually change it you'd probably need all three headmins.
And I have the feeling that An0n would rather shut down everything than go down that path

Consenting rape was allowed on tg when erp was allowed. SoS said erp would never be removed BUT headmins decided to enforce a no erp policy(very recently and I believe it was a 2 to 1 vote). Hosts are not supposed to have say over policy although I wouldn't personally mind because I know anon would never let it be allowed. But if he does decide to let headmins be the authority on policy/rules I'd like to know where they stand personally for things that are important to me before I vote them into a position that gives them the power to change policy.

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:18 pm #78580

this lifeweb discussion is pretty dumb, there are piles and piles of great things to be taken from it that obviously aren't "child rape"
and I think boiling it down to just "child rape" is ignorant and it's outright exploitative to try to argue that someone shouldn't be voted for because they play and like lifeweb, because that somehow would imply that they want to add child rape to the game
it's stupid.
I am completely and utterly sure I can speak for every fucking candidate when I say no one is adding rape to the game. Fuck off with that now, please.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:26 pm #78581

You'd have more catches for your SJW bait if you'd asked if any of the candidates have played Hellmoo

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:31 pm #78582

danno wrote:this lifeweb discussion is pretty dumb, there are piles and piles of great things to be taken from it that obviously aren't "child rape"
and I think boiling it down to just "child rape" is ignorant and it's outright exploitative to try to argue that someone shouldn't be voted for because they play and like lifeweb, because that somehow would imply that they want to add child rape to the game
it's stupid.
I am completely and utterly sure I can speak for every fucking candidate when I say no one is adding rape to the game. Fuck off with that now, please.

It is about your stance on certain features being acceptable for/allowed in videogames. You say there are tons of great things to be taken from it so obviously the question is very relevant because its something you personally want for the server. Literally you are proving my point for me. Also I never asked about which features in lifeweb they approved of or not, accused anyone of being a rapist for playing the game, or made any particular specifications. It is just a good example of a more lenient policy standard that I don't want to see on /tg/. All I asked was 'do you play lifeweb?' please go check every thread and find me saying anything else on the matter.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:38 pm #78585

I think Malk's avatar pretty much summates this entire discussion.

The question is just pointless bait and there's nothing to be gained from further eating it.

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:39 pm #78586

That's the thing, it's quite obvious that although you're asking such a simple question what you're attempting to derive from it is "do you think rape is ok"

I think there are absolutely tons of things from Lifeweb that could be adapted for /tg/station that would be beneficial, like I said in my thread
I can't say "policy-wise" because it doesn't have policy, but when you look at it you'll find that most people aren't deliberately trying to fuck with each other and ruin each other's game, and actually putting in an effort to hold the immersions together
Mechanically the game also has loads of features that I think people would find both entertaining and complex, like the different facets of combat.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:43 pm #78590

Mandurrh wrote:
danno wrote:this lifeweb discussion is pretty dumb, there are piles and piles of great things to be taken from it that obviously aren't "child rape"
and I think boiling it down to just "child rape" is ignorant and it's outright exploitative to try to argue that someone shouldn't be voted for because they play and like lifeweb, because that somehow would imply that they want to add child rape to the game
it's stupid.
I am completely and utterly sure I can speak for every fucking candidate when I say no one is adding rape to the game. Fuck off with that now, please.

It is about your stance on certain features being acceptable for/allowed in videogames. You say there are tons of great things to be taken from it so obviously the question is very relevant because its something you personally want for the server. Literally you are proving my point for me. Also I never asked about which features in lifeweb they approved of or not, accused anyone of being a rapist for playing the game, or made any particular specifications. It is just a good example of a more lenient policy standard that I don't want to see on /tg/. All I asked was 'do you play lifeweb?' please go check every thread and find me saying anything else on the matter.

We all know how loaded that question was. It's ludicrous to suggest that If you like one thing you have to enjoy every aspect around that thing. It's a frankly simple-minded way to look at things and you seem to be doing it deliberately for the sake of a weird and pointless crusade.

The question is totally irrelevant because no one is advocating more lenient restrictions on anything like this on tgstation. Even then it's a terrible way of measuring people's potential policy decisions and viewpoints.

Also privately you've accused plenty of people of supporting child rape just for logging on to the game for five minutes.

Mandurrh · Post by **Mandurrh** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:47 pm #78596

Steelpoint wrote:I think Malk's avatar pretty much summates this entire discussion.

The question is just pointless bait and there's nothing to be gained from further eating it.

If it was bait wouldn't I have made a point after asking the question to catch them in some kind of trap? I didn't bring up any of this or say anything further about the question. That was danno and miggles. I have already said there are lots of parts I don't think should be allowed here and was curious how strict their standards for policy are...

Sticky I never said you enjoyed it I am saying you don't mind it being allowed in the ss13 remake game and community you are playing in. And again I didn't ask or bring up any accusations with that question it was personally for me to decide if the person I voted for would have the same views on standards for policies here. Which is pretty relevant since that is the headmins job.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:54 pm #78599

Mandurrh wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:I think Malk's avatar pretty much summates this entire discussion.

The question is just pointless bait and there's nothing to be gained from further eating it.

If it was bait wouldn't I have made a point after asking the question to catch them in some kind of trap? I didn't bring up any of this or say anything further about the question. That was danno and miggles. I have already said there are lots of parts I don't think should be allowed here and was curious how strict their standards for policy are...

Sticky I never said you enjoyed it I am saying you don't mind it being allowed in the ss13 remake game and community you are playing in. And again I didn't ask or bring up any accusations with that question it was personally for me to decide if the person I voted for would have the same views on standards for policies here. Which is pretty relevant since that is the headmins job.

It's not a binary opinion. I didn't play lifeweb, again, for five minutes, and think "Well I don't mind child rape because it's a part of lifeweb and lifeweb is alright". Literally everyone you know who played the game was complaining about edgy russians and how fucked up it was. It's deliberately obtuse to suggest anyone would want to bring that to SS13.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:12 pm #78604

Can I just be that asshole that says "Fuck off with your drama" right now?

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:15 pm #78606

Saegrimr wrote:Can I just be that asshole that says "Fuck off with your drama" right now?

I'll allow it.

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:12 pm #78635

yes please

Maccus · Post by **Maccus** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:47 pm #78645

This where you nominate people? I nominate Snake2512.

fartman · Post by **fartman** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:49 pm #78675

i nominate 2beard

callanrockslol · Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:26 am

fartman wrote:i nominate 2beard

I think you need to not be permabanned for life to qualify.