GUIDE: AUTOMATED TELESCIENCE/BUILDING A HONK

Timrod · Post by **Timrod** » Sat May 17, 2014 8:32 pm #6529

About a dozen people asked me for this, so I made an updated Honk-building guide. Enjoy.

http://pastebin.com/XPPYiiSM

EDIT:

Some people seem confused about how Z-Levels work. Basically, the "Sector" in T-Sci is another word for Z-Level. The Z-Levels are numbered as follows:

1 - Station Z-Level
2 - ??? (Possibly Centcom/Wizard Shuttle or something, dunno)
3 - Old Telecomms Sat, White Ship
4 - Derelict, Clown Shuttle
5 - Mining Asteroid
6 - ??? (Possibly the DJ Station Z-Level)

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 17, 2014 10:49 pm #6545

You would be banned for posting this on goon. Muh secrets.

Durkel · Post by **Durkel** » Sat May 17, 2014 11:49 pm #6570

It's a sad day where is it's easier to make a Honk mech then a gygax.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:10 am #6574

Secrets are secret for a reason >:I

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:19 am #6576

Really is a shame that Telescience lets you take such blatant advantage of metaknowledge.

At least when it comes to "space adventurers" they can bullshit a story about explorin' the final frontier.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:28 am #6578

See, now that this is out we ought to make like Goon and scramble the Telesci code again. Except, y'know, >opensource.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:32 am #6579

Coders usually don't blatantly share shit from the code. Unless it's bombcap exact values

Aranclanos · Post by **Aranclanos** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:33 am #6585

cancer

Alzam · Post by **Alzam** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:23 am #6589

I'd rather see people actually using the telescience lab rather than it be barren for 90% of the rounds. ~muh secrets~ be damned.

King Cohort · Post by **King Cohort** » Sun May 18, 2014 3:31 am #6598

secrets

cancer

The joke is that Telescience was never a "secret" and a guide to it has been up on the wiki since its inception and it's just been too fucking tedious to actually do until now. And spoilers, it will never fucking be "secret" no matter how much you scramble the code, just tedious.

Funnily enough I doubt that even this guide will get people to use Telescience since it entails opening up another program and punching in numbers and test cases, which is still too much effort for the average powergamer.

"Oh no, people actually using features of the game? BETTER GET RID OF THEM" - Sibyl's playerbase

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:17 am #6608

this is really a problem with just how static space content is

wouldn't you be disturbed too if each time you got to the derelict, the exact same items were there in their exact same spots even though you clearly remembered looting it last time

random space z-levels when

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:31 am #6613

Ever since the first iteration of Telesci came out for TG there has always been external program's in place to solve the unneeded and dumb obsticals put in place to raise the difficulty.

Whenever Telesci was made harder, the program's were just refined.

Telesci should be less on making it as complex as possible.

Kelenius · Post by **Kelenius** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:30 am #6654

Telescience shouldn't be able to grab things from other z-levels, or at least require special upgrades for it. Or have power seriously reduced when it's aiming at a different z-level.

Because right now robotics lab and derelict room with toolbox, helmet and suit are about at the same distance from telepad, for the purposes of telescience.

Coordynates 174, 120, 4 point to a paper on derelict, 174, 120, 1 point to MMIs in robotics lab. Same distance. Grabbing things from arrivals requires much more energy than derelict.

As if all z-levels are directly stacked on top of each other. Might as well give people shovels to move from one level to another.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Sun May 18, 2014 11:34 am #6668

Thanks for the guide. I'll definitely give it a go.

Guys, just because people are following efficient guides to do their jobs doesn't hurt the game. I still get to teach people the basics of a department, and most importantly it doesn't fuck up interaction between players, which is really the point of this game. If you're so desperate to have your job difficult just so you can be one of the few who can do it and feel super special, you're playing the game for the wrong reasons. At the end of the day the game is going to be taken apart and the most efficient way to do something will become the meta. Constantly changing it just antagonises the players for no real reason. I play for the fun of being on a batshit insane deathtrap full of murderous bastards trying to break it.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun May 18, 2014 12:46 pm #6673

DJ station is on the same z-level as the derelict, north-west from the derelict.
Z6 is just empty, and Z2 is the centcomm Z-level. It also contains the nukeop spawn, the transit zones for shuttles, the holodeck courts, the wizard shuttle and probably some other stuff. You're not supposed to be able to go there though :v

Timrod · Post by **Timrod** » Sun May 18, 2014 3:45 pm #6684

Kelenius wrote:Telescience shouldn't be able to grab things from other z-levels, or at least require special upgrades for it. Or have power seriously reduced when it's aiming at a different z-level.

Because right now robotics lab and derelict room with toolbox, helmet and suit are about at the same distance from telepad, for the purposes of telescience.

Coordynates 174, 120, 4 point to a paper on derelict, 174, 120, 1 point to MMIs in robotics lab. Same distance. Grabbing things from arrivals requires much more energy than derelict.

As if all z-levels are directly stacked on top of each other. Might as well give people shovels to move from one level to another.

The problem with that is that Telescience cannot be upgraded, apart from replacing the capacitor (and even that only works once, super capacitor does nothing over advanced capacitor) and adding a single artificial bluespace crystal. From what I understand, the "real" bluespace crystals that used to be (infrequently) on mining no longer exist at all, or are so ultra-rare that no one has found any since the mining update.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:59 am #6843

The DJ station is on the same Z-level as the derelict and clown ship

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Mon May 19, 2014 5:27 am #6900

There was already bazillion spreadsheets that did the math for you anyway.

Gadd · Post by **Gadd** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:35 am #7156

THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET

Incomptinence · Post by **Incomptinence** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:43 am #7161

Oh boy if the miners weren't compelled to put their ore into the redundant smelter of ergoshame we could be teleporting metal shipments and tools back and forth. Thanks for ruining mining again Ergo.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:44 am #7163

Can we fucking ban Timrod already?

Neerti · Post by **Neerti** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:09 am #7175

For writing a guide???

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:15 am #7179

MUH SEKRIT CLUB!!!11!1ONE

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:28 am #7182

Neerti wrote:For writing a guide???

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Gadd wrote:THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET

Aranclanos wrote:cancer

Subtle wrote:Really is a shame that Telescience lets you take such blatant advantage of metaknowledge. At least when it comes to "space adventurers" they can bullshit a story about explorin' the final frontier.

Psyentific wrote:Secrets are secret for a reason >:I

paprika wrote:You would be banned for posting this on goon. Muh secrets.

Brotemis complaint thread
Prior history

For writing a guide to getting one of the rarest and most powerful griff engines in the game in under 20m? Yes, get the fuck out. Knowledge is power - Don't squander it.

Neerti · Post by **Neerti** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:35 am #7185

But we're not goon?

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:54 am #7193

there is a difference between knowing how to fuck everything up and applying that knowledge
bomb recipes are simple and most of them are common knowledge by now. you still don't use that shit as non-antag, and if people abuse this knowledge in the same way they'll get banned for the exact same reasons.

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Tue May 20, 2014 3:58 am #7216

People who know how to play the game are the worst.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:58 am #7221

miggles wrote:there is a difference between knowing how to fuck everything up and applying that knowledge
bomb recipes are simple and most of them are common knowledge by now. you still don't use that shit as non-antag, and if people abuse this knowledge in the same way they'll get banned for the exact same reasons.

And how many HONKs do you think we're gonna see now, just waiting for an excuse to set off that honkerblast?

Brotemis · Post by **Brotemis** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:25 am #7225

This is extremely stupid. I would rather a Banana Monster on the asteroid drop it than this happening every round because people can

Alzam · Post by **Alzam** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:49 am #7238

Make the bananium shuttle random or something, I really hope the solution to this "problem" isn't to fuck with t-science algorithms more. Or leave it alone, despite this guide being posted I don't see many people using telescience to make the honk very often.

Incomptinence · Post by **Incomptinence** » Tue May 20, 2014 7:45 am #7276

H.O.N.K. is brittle as all hell and if it plays the honkblaster gimmick ear protection is a counter. Not game ruining in the slightest.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:47 pm #7407

Psyentific wrote:
miggles wrote:there is a difference between knowing how to fuck everything up and applying that knowledge
bomb recipes are simple and most of them are common knowledge by now. you still don't use that shit as non-antag, and if people abuse this knowledge in the same way they'll get banned for the exact same reasons.
And how many HONKs do you think we're gonna see now, just waiting for an excuse to set off that honkerblast?

The honkerblast was nerfed.

King Cohort · Post by **King Cohort** » Tue May 20, 2014 6:44 pm #7466

question, does psyentific actually play ss13? or does he do nothing but yell for bans at people on the forums for being helpful

you could griff before, you could make honks before, every time I see telesci manned it's used to teleport dead people to cloning and help the station, if you actually played the game you would notice that nobody bothers making a honk with this.

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Tue May 20, 2014 6:55 pm #7469

Woah woah, let's not get too crazy here. It's a shame but there's nothing explicitly wrong with it.

This is an "issue" (and I use that word facetiously) with static content/telescience rather than muh sekritz.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue May 20, 2014 7:07 pm #7473

Neerti · Post by **Neerti** » Tue May 20, 2014 7:10 pm #7476

goofball

you're meant to put a new capacitor in the telepad to go even higher.

You can get two extra power buttons w/ the max capacitor, and full power w/ that and one crystal. If anything it's a buff.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Wed May 21, 2014 12:42 am #7572

It's worth noting that Centcomm, the wizards' den, and the nukeops starting zone are on the same z-level.

Neerti · Post by **Neerti** » Wed May 21, 2014 1:46 am #7592

Apparently it's impossible to go to 100 power now.