Remove birdboat?

Man_Shroom · Post by **Man_Shroom** » Mon May 30, 2016 6:55 pm #182090

Birdboat is a very controversial station, so I for one would like to know people's opinions on the map.

dionysus24779 · Mon May 30, 2016 7:01 pm

So what changes are these?

Man_Shroom · Post by **Man_Shroom** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:02 pm #182096

You describe them

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:18 pm #182106

I love bird boat, only safe space padded corner babbies want it gone

Post by **MMMiracles** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:42 pm #182113

bring back oldstation

Sidon · Post by **Sidon** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:43 pm #182114

The layout of the station is seriously bad

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 30, 2016 8:04 pm #182124

Birdboat is a great map. If it had a vent system that wasn't dogshit it would be the best map hands down.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon May 30, 2016 8:24 pm #182128

Fuck off, Birdboat is the best map, and those whiners who suicide roundstart because they don't like it are retarded memers.

Mon May 30, 2016 8:46 pm

atmos straight up doesnt work as far as i can tell, the scrubber vents in the big gas tanks on birdboat aren't set up right

i've never had a truly normal round on that map, it's a clusterfuck every time

Okand37 · Post by **Okand37** » Mon May 30, 2016 8:53 pm #182136

Birdboat should be kept purely for silly rounds, but the current state of it just makes it more of a running joke in my opinion.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Mon May 30, 2016 9:35 pm #182146

it needs to be either

1. more common so i get used to it
2. less common so i don't have to scream when it comes up

onleavedontatme · Mon May 30, 2016 10:00 pm

Birdboat best captures the spirit of classic ss13 of any of our maps.

But despite all the forum grumbling, the majority of our community has no real interest in classic ss13.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:18 pm #182162

The ship sunk years ago Kor. Why do we cling to the deck?

onleavedontatme · Mon May 30, 2016 10:20 pm

I like to pretend to work for videogames.

Also I can still appreciate the game as its played now, even if it's different.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:22 pm #182165

Remove Dreamstation instead

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:41 pm #182172

birdboat and dreamstation are both awful

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:11 pm #182190

Birdboat's atmos doesn't work, the air supply and ditro/mix loops are disconnected by default with the no cameras in the air supply (+ the air tanks are manual valve'd) means the AI can't alter the atmospheric settings which is generally a big no-no. Not that it's a problem as I've already said that birdboat's atmos system doesn't exist beyond a handful of vents.

The supermatter engine can't be ejected and it's quite difficult to cool it down it fi it's been allowed to run hot for too long and few people even know how to operate it safely (there's no user guide on the wiki anywhere, the only way to learn is through experimentation and cargo rarely allows engineering the chance to experiment).
Even the TEG is a mystery to a lot of people even though the TEG is largely idiot-proof.

Plus it's gonna be outdated since it hasn't been updated in about a year, though there are some designs that I'd like to steal. The Cargo shuttle for one which runs like a finely oiled machine.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that with fastmos, the lack of vents means it's really easy to de-pressurise and cool down the station by breaking a window or bolting the airlock doors open.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:14 pm #182193

I don't mind Birdboat not having atmos but it needs scrubbers going in and out of most places. The lack of scrubbers ironically makes the station seem less like a death trap since the spiders that frequently spawn on it can't get everywhere through the vents, and it really fucks over vent crawling antags. If scrubbers were added it would be the best map.

Lumbermancer · Mon May 30, 2016 11:48 pm

Well I'd remove all but Box/Meta and maybe Mini for those rare cases when there's 5 people playing.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:37 am #182343

>shunning assstation master race
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:48 am #182344

Birdboat is amusing.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue May 31, 2016 10:01 am #182379

What Birdboat needs most of all is someone dedicated to maintaining it. If you don't have that, it's only a matter of time before an update breaks it, so you might as well remove it right now.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:43 pm #182471

To me, Birdboat isn't good enough to truly be a station. If Birdboat is Lennie, than Ministation is George. It's like Birdboat follows Ministation around, mindlessly and vainly attempting to parrot its success. "See, I have a small and efficient atmos system," explains Ministation in slow words. Birdboat takes to heart and makes an atmos system, but it's too small and he doesn't know how to work the pipes, so he just lays them around and doesn't actually connect them. Yet people still like Birdboat because he's like a big lovable guy who tries so hard, when in reality he fails at everything he tries to do outside of small stuff - for Lennie, it's physical labor, but for Birdboat, it's being functional at all.

So, yes, I'd support its removal.

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue May 31, 2016 7:32 pm #182490

Xhuis wrote:To me, Birdboat isn't good enough to truly be a station. If Birdboat is Lennie, than Ministation is George. It's like Birdboat follows Ministation around, mindlessly and vainly attempting to parrot its success. "See, I have a small and efficient atmos system," explains Ministation in slow words. Birdboat takes to heart and makes an atmos system, but it's too small and he doesn't know how to work the pipes, so he just lays them around and doesn't actually connect them. Yet people still like Birdboat because he's like a big lovable guy who tries so hard, when in reality he fails at everything he tries to do outside of small stuff - for Lennie, it's physical labor, but for Birdboat, it's being functional at all.

So, yes, I'd support its removal.

holy shit so touching

yeah remove it already

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue May 31, 2016 11:03 pm #182538

Birdboat not having atmos is 100% intentional. The reasoning was that you could flood every major hallway if you release one can through the pipes, killing everyone and creating a generally unfun situation.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:25 am #182707

you hear that guys

it's broken on purpose

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:52 am #182714

I miss tokiko

allura · Post by **allura** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:56 pm #182839

I always suspected tokiko of being mentally deficient, from her latejoining to avoid traitor targeting, playing the same job every round, constant parroting of bird memes, ending 90% of her words with "ings" and the rearranging of kirbyplants across the entire station but never did i expected for this autism to manifest into a map so influenced by her deficiencies and then for that map to be ran and receive actual support. Birdboat, like all malformed and abandoned creations, should be killed off and left on the streets to rot. I would rather see asstation become the default map than birdboat stay in the codebase

The Ultimate Chimera · Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:30 pm

Remove all but meta tbh.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:13 am #183041

Why does your avatar look like its head is broken in several places.

Man_Shroom · Post by **Man_Shroom** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:02 pm #183522

I NEED MORE VOTES FOR THE VOTE GOD

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:08 am #183702

Removw BirdBoat. Let the memes end here.

The Ultimate Chimera · Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:18 pm

Zilenan91 wrote:Why does your avatar look like its head is broken in several places.

Pixels.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:16 pm #184544

Also the atmos tanks don't work anymore and the TEG doesn't produce power even when the hot/cold loops are working right.

It needs a complete overhaul to be made playable, at the moment it is a physically unplayable map after 20 or so minutes.

Post by **oranges** » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:11 am #185069

It's not even a valid choice in most rounds how are you seeing it?

Smeller · Post by **Smeller** » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:11 am #185102

I like birdboat, but yeah, it turns out being clusterfuck every single round, and that's what sucks.

callanrockslol · Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:07 pm

Birdboat is literally one of the best maps and I will take charge of it to ensure it remains in rotation if thats what it takes.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:59 pm #187004

Do it callan, someone must maintain bestboat

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:21 pm #187042

All maps that aren't actively maintained should be abandoned.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:51 pm #187097

If you're doing work on it please add a scrubber system. That's all it needs to be the best map we have.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:40 pm #187111

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18603

nsos · Post by **nsos** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:36 am #187123

played on birdboat today and it was somehow worse than i remembered

so much stuff is missing from engineering, there is not so much as a paper in game describing setting up the supermatter engine (everyone left engineering except me unsurprisingly so i spent 10 mins setting it up myself to make sure it didn't go nuclear but it was a nuke op round so it ultimately became irrelevant), the vault is a broom closet smaller than the janitor office on box, there's probably some other stuff but most of the station exploded so whatever

it comes up so rarely that i can't bring myself to support its total removal because who really gives a shit but it would be nice if someone at least got atmos to work and spawned a few goddamn department lockers

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:09 am #187134

That sounds like an awesome round

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:27 am #187139

nsos · Post by **nsos** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:06 am #187144

Zilenan91 wrote:That sounds like an awesome round

it was ok i guess i died early and it ran too long, but i think part of that was compounded by the fact that neither the ops team or the sec staff had any clue where things were

NikNakFlak wrote::T

which maps are in the pipeline to be finished?

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:25 am

WHY DOESNT THIS POLL HAVE REVOTING ENABLED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Should birdboat be removed?