Remove extended from rotation

peoplearestrange · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:24 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Kor wrote: It's bizarre and confusing that people are called shitters if they're bored when once every 50 rounds or so the game just says "nah lol nevermind there isn't gameplay this time and this will last for two hours"

But this, and most of the other comments for removing it, are based on the flawed concept that the game cannot move forward with out antags being actively choosen.

In all honesty traitors are given a free reign, apposed to HAVING to complete exactly your objectives and no more, BECAUSE the game is free flowing. Not having antags doesn't remove all the intresting game mechinics, tiny detail, room for experimentation and interesting human interactions.

For me its under the same guise that round start suicide because traitor not get. This game is too loose, too graphically shitty, to warrent the game play iteself being the driving force. Its never been that and if you try to make it that it'll be a very different game you make.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:05 pm #225206

This is a fucking video game the main point is gameplay

bockman22 · Post by **bockman22** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:23 pm #225211

High pop Basil can't handle extended anymore. Too many players that want to intrude and stop autism projects that I want to make piss me off already. Extended is fine on basil at 40-30 player but anymore and jobs can't be fulfilled. I think the main problem is the constant high pop that is on basil and metastation itself isn't made to support a big population.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:25 pm #225212

Basil needs chemo.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:29 pm #225213

Stop trying to get rid of players you caustic dickweeds

bockman22 · Post by **bockman22** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:32 pm #225214

I'm saying stay out of my autism fortress

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:36 pm #225216

iamgoofball wrote:Stop trying to get rid of players you caustic dickweeds

Hey, I'd be getting rid of coders, too :^)

Slettal · Post by **Slettal** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:43 pm #225239

Go to Sybil, it's the new lowpop. You can build projects there (only interrupted by the occasional lowpop murderboner due to no sec)

Incomptinence · Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:38 pm

The 20 minutes to progress figure thrown out for jobs.

Sure they reach the top but what's the point when 90% of the time the station is exploding and jank too drat fast to use and distribute what they made? I mean not everyone gets virology style contagion and blood spread of their end product.

Kel-the-Oblivious · Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:21 am

As a Miner, extended rounds are my favorite rounds. Gives me the most time to fuck around in the hellscape, kill megas, and harvest tendrils.

peoplearestrange · Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:12 pm

iamgoofball wrote:This is a fucking video game the main point is gameplay

But gameplay doesnt JUST come out of game mechanics. Though you are too into the "code will fix everything" mindset to see this. If this was a game mechanic driven game we would have lost that half of the screen wall of text a long time ago and moved to something like voip or just simple commands.

I mean I honestly cannot think of a more obvious better example than the fact the text chat takes up HALF THE SCREEN. Literally the interactions between players is HALF THE GAME.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:32 pm #225596

Holy shit. You're retarded.

Text chat box takes up half the screen because, up until 2015-2016, ALL THE GAME'S FEEDBACK ON SHIT WENT THROUGH THERE. NOT JUST PEOPLE TALKING. EVERY ACTION YOU DID HAD A TEXT COMPONENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY TO DISPLAY IT VISUALLY TO THE PLAYERS EFFECTIVELY.

Progress bars used to not be a thing, you little shit. I ADDED THEM BECAUSE YOU HAD NO VISUAL FEEDBACK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WERE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING, IF YOU WERE STILL DOING IT, AND HOW LONG YOU HAD LEFT.

Sliding towards someone you were hitting used to not be a thing, you little shit. WE ADDED THEM BECAUSE YOU HAD NO VISUAL FEEDBACK ABOUT WHO WAS ATTACKING WHO AND YOU HAD TO COMPARE A SHITTON OF DUMB ATTACK LOGS COMBINED WITH A FEW RANDOM SOUNDS.

There's also the fact that WE DON'T HAVE VOIP COMMUNICATION BECAUSE BYOND IS SHIT, AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO DO TEXT COMMUNICATION, which means ~~guess what~~, THE ONLY OPTION LEFT IS TEXT CHAT BOXES BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER GOOD INDUSTRY STANDARD METHODS FOR THIS SHIT.

We're also making code changes to REMOVE TEXT BOX FEEDBACK THAT WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE REPLACING IT WITH VISUAL FEEDBACK.

Stop being a fucking retard.

The code screams this is a round based TTT like game where the crew has to save themselves from bad guys and make it off the station alive.

The gameplay design from the ground up supports this.

All the coders work around this. Every PR always ends up with shittons of balance arguments because of this shit.

We don't code for you to do freeform text RP. If you want freeform text RP THAT FUCKING BADLY, make a fucking subforum for freeform text RP and freeform text RP in there you little shits.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:38 pm #225600

and another thing

nobody plays DND to sit in a tavern for 3 hours with nothing to do except talk

nobody plays DND to do dungeon crawls for 3 hours straight no talking

you need a mix of shit, and you retards asking for either entirely RP or entirely gameplay are both fucking dipshit assblast USA retarded trump voting cocksucking pieces of human garbage

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:38 pm #225601

and yes, we can have both, it's called playing the existing video game we're creating because we don't need to have mandatory 3 hour tavern sessions

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:39 pm #225602

i can't wait for the forum retards to pile in and post their shitty zingers too because they refuse to actually comprehend what I'm saying too, bunch of retarded fuckers

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:54 pm #225603

Not an argument

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:16 pm #225608

fucking DOUBLEPOST

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:16 pm #225610

Aloraydrel wrote:Not an argument

This shit is why we can't have actual discussions. Get the fuck out.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:22 pm #225611

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:09 pm #225620

MrAlphonzo wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:it also takes all jobs maybe 10 to 20 minutes tops to finish everything and be done"
Nigga what

Botany. Takes 5 minutes to get gaia. Some odd minutes and you have most things growing massive food constantly forever.

Virology. Make a healing virus, youre done. (Unless some tator causes a virus)

Engineer. Setup engine/solars. Wait for bombs.

RnD. do research and youre done.

Hop. you rarely do 20 minutes of actual work ever.

Lotsa people are done in 20 minutes.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:27 am #225667

Alipheese wrote: RnD. do research and youre done.

Why does everyone think that getting the levels is all you do in RnD? It's literally the process unlocking the cool stuff, and people just do that, upgrade a couple of machines, and then claim that RnD is boring.
When i do RnD i try to build stuff, for example a second medbay, or a fancy disposal ride with a freon slide, or telescience to steal everything not bolted down, or an odysseus mech with a chem mix that can revive dead people, or anything else.
Then i see scientists who'll only make eguns/ebows if they get traitor tech and just look for the next valid.

Screemonster · Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:53 am

it's a "reeeee people who enjoy different things to me are experiencing enjoyment incorrectly" episode

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:16 am #225675

We get it op hates rp

Isane · Post by **Isane** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:49 am #225734

Considering how rare extended occurs this feels like such a non issue.

MrAlphonzo · Post by **MrAlphonzo** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:58 am #225737

kevinz000 wrote:We get it op hates rp

This nigga gets it.

XDTM wrote: Why does everyone think that getting the levels is all you do in RnD? It's literally the process unlocking the cool stuff, and people just do that, upgrade a couple of machines, and then claim that RnD is boring.
When i do RnD i try to build stuff, for example a second medbay, or a fancy disposal ride with a freon slide, or telescience to steal everything not bolted down, or an odysseus mech with a chem mix that can revive dead people, or anything else.
Then i see scientists who'll only make eguns/ebows if they get traitor tech and just look for the next valid.

This nigga also gets it.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:43 am #225780

best ensure that it's hardcoded for rounds to end after 30 minutes to ensure people aren't having non gameplay fun!

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:57 am #226428

So now if the mode is extended it's announced at round start. That's supposed to give people the chance to work on large projects, but I have a feeling that's not how it will work out: if there are no admins, players will vote restart, if there are admins, they will be expected to run an event, and forced events are never fun. Let's see how it plays out...

Screemonster · Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:28 am

Wait, but isn't extended supposed to exist as part of secret rotation for the whole... "am I just being paranoid" factor that there might not actually be anyone out to get you? That gearing and tooling up at roundstart "just in case" could well just be a sign that you're crazy?
Announcing extended at roundstart kinda... removes that 'cause you'll absolutely 100% know for certain that there's something antaggy afoot or not.

Post by **Owegno** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:25 pm #226521

Screemonster wrote:Wait, but isn't extended supposed to exist as part of secret rotation for the whole... "am I just being paranoid" factor that there might not actually be anyone out to get you? That gearing and tooling up at roundstart "just in case" could well just be a sign that you're crazy?
Announcing extended at roundstart kinda... removes that 'cause you'll absolutely 100% know for certain that there's something antaggy afoot or not.

That is correct and why I tend to force extended after a round with a lot of security/valid-huntery related ahelps. Metabreakage is one of the best parts of extended and from a gameplay perspective is its main purpose.

onleavedontatme · Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:29 pm

When 19/20 rounds have someone trying to murder you, you're not going to make people renounce their paranoid ways or break any "meta" (I don't think it's meta to react to the intercept report, or make basic assumptions about the gameplay though).

If SS13 had a gameplay defined goal beyond milling about in circles waiting to get blown up, "is there traitor or is there not" might be fun. To use one of my favourite boardgames as an example again:

Dead of Winter requires you to manage your food and other supplies as well as the harsh weather and zombies, and you rely on the other players in the game to do so. Even if there is no traitor, there are still motivating forces in the game. "Is there traitor or not?" might also work well in FTL13, where you're all working towards the overarching goal of getting from A to B whether or not someone is going to backstab you.

But as it stands SS13 is very directionless outside of the antagonists (excluding goals you make up for yourself obviously), so I think trying to "metabreak" that is a fruitless goal.

Screemonster · Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:10 pm

So what you're saying is that we need the golden never-happen pipe dream of crew objectives.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:34 pm #227045

We have crew objectives now though?

MrEousTranger · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:46 pm

I like extended Its the only time where I don't have to worry about the shuttle being called when I'm doing a gimmick.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:04 pm #228212

Now extended is announced it is actually fine since everyone goes bonkers.

Cobraman202 · Post by **Cobraman202** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:55 pm #228216

Extended is fun if everyone plays along and tries to make it good. Otherwise its just grey-tide madness and everything is broken, and either no one die because they are afraid of their victim A-helping, or everyone dies because no one a-helps the few times that it wasn't a valid kill.

Post by **Arianya** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:16 pm #228220

Yeah, I've just experience one of these rounds and its straight up dumb. Its basically free for all and "CALL SHUTTLE" 5 minutes in.

Honestly, just lower extended's percentage chance of popping up if you're that butt bothered by there not being antags, the way it currently is just bad.

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:45 pm #228266

Or people stop being fucking faggots trying to 'win' the game and make a project and have fun for fucks sake you single minded mongoloids!

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:54 pm #228267

what if I want to win in my own projects

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:59 pm #228268

lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:05 pm #228269

lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects

iamgoofball wrote:
lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects

Then that's called finishing your project. AND HAVING FUN

Isane · Post by **Isane** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:52 am #228344

I can't have fun though unless I click someone's sprite enough to make them prone.

Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:13 am

Isane wrote:I can't have fun though unless I click someone's sprite enough to make them prone.

dank as fuck post my friend

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:22 am #228406

Isane wrote:I can't have fun though unless I click someone's sprite enough to make them prone.

Winky face.

Isane · Post by **Isane** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:16 am #228430

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Isane wrote:I can't have fun though unless I click someone's sprite enough to make them prone.
dank as fuck post my friend

It's not like this thread isn't already half the people saying "I need antags to have fun" and the other half going "make your own fun."

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:04 pm #228452

I like validhunting and powergaming as much as the next guy but hey just because there's no antags for you to steamroll doesn't mean it's a boring round. You can still build autismforts, station objectives, max out R&D for the lulz, try to make the station a paradise, colonize lavaland and or space ruins/derilect, etc etc build shit. This is a RPG, not CSGO.
Personally in extended I'd max R&D and build like 6 autocloners and then colonize lavaland and tell people who are bored to fuck off. :^)

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:12 pm #228470

It would be interesting, now that this thing has been going on for a while, to check how many times players have vote restarted an extended round due to no admins being on to abort the vote

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:23 pm #228482

Alipheese wrote:
lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects

iamgoofball wrote:
lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects
Then that's called finishing your project. AND HAVING FUN

But what if I am uncapable of having fun

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:25 pm #228483

lzimann wrote:
Alipheese wrote:
lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects

iamgoofball wrote:
lzimann wrote:what if I want to win in my own projects
Then that's called finishing your project. AND HAVING FUN
But what if I am uncapable of having fun

I will cuck you and have 2 people's worth of fun.

Kel-the-Oblivious · Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:34 am

Best extended round I had was as a solo miner during the LATE night shift.

Ended up killing three megas by myself, made peace with the pair of Ashwalkers staying in the lavaland, pimped out their hut and geared them up.

Post by **Arianya** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:03 am #229150

Kel-the-Oblivious wrote:Best extended round I had was as a solo miner during the LATE night shift.

Ended up killing three megas by myself, made peace with the pair of Ashwalkers staying in the lavaland, pimped out their hut and geared them up.

>allying with necropolis worshippers

Kel-the-Oblivious · Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:53 am

They can't worship something that is dead.

Not a single tendril left alive, Legion busted open and his special stick mine for the taking.

When you have a choice between worshipping a dead skull monster, or the crazy mortal that killed your god, which you gonna pick?