Incomptinence wrote:There are reports of failed launches. So I guess it stops the game running if you have parts of a used to be free now pay mod. Well if there is one thing workshop is good for now it is uninstalling mods.
Given that we used to play space engineers I think you would like to know at least one member of their dev team has been tweeting in what seems to be support given character limits #shittymedium.
Anyone advocating the pay what you want option keep in mind it would probably have current prices as minimum with the option to piss as much money down the 25% hole as you wanted. Why you wouldn't seek an outside donation method if you wanted to do this I don't comprehend.
I have the Wet and Cold thing, I have midas magic and I have the skyforged weapon packs.
I can still launch the game without any apparent problems.
Incomptinence wrote:Well I suppose I was misinformed then.
Bear in mind with so much hate flying around at the moment, people are probably spreading misinformation to add fuel to the fire.
I mean, we are rightfully pissed off, but let's be pissed off for the correct reasons.
peoplearestrange wrote:What I want to know is, if you already had a mod before this new bullshit, that you now have to pay for, do you get to keep it for free? Or do you have to then pay for it to carry on playing?
Both options are terrible tbh. One way only CERTAIN people are getting free content, the other way they are removing content that you original downloaded with the premise that it was free.
If you had a mod before this new bullshit you're either left with unfinished old version (Wet & Cold, etc) if author decides to keep it somewhere (Nexus, maybe Workshop even) but when they decide to make it cost money you have to pay.
>Author goes full hebrew merchant and starts charging for Wet and Cold
>I still have the old, free version of Wet and Cold
>According to the Workshop ToS, modders are free to use other free mods in their own modding so long as they give credit for others work
>Take the old version of Wet and Cold and change the texture on one object and other piss nothing changes
>Call it Moist n' Chilly: Loony Edition
>Give it away for free
"skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here."
They intend to keep trying. Paid mods are still very much going to be a thing.
While the problem with Skyrin in particular was that introducing the system was causing rifts in the modding community, the lack of QA for the paid-for mods was also heavily problematic as well.
I code for the code project and moderate the code sections of the forums.
One of the major selling points for games like Skyrim is the wealth of free and half-broken shit you can get your hands on and fuck around with outside of the game proper.
To gate that out and say you have to pay someone $5 to run around with a mudcrab with a top-hat and monocle on it that sometimes glitches through the earth and dies for no reason, or draws aggro and breaks quest lines is fucking ludicrous. Going forward I wouldn't be surprised to see them try again with Fallout 4 or the inevitable Black Marsh/Hammerfall/wherever-the-fuck game.
When that time comes I'm sure we'll see a huge glut of user-created DLC. People will be selling all kinds of game-breaking swords and half-broken quest lines or expansion areas. But at least we'll know ahead of time that it's coming and that this game will be a vehicle for a lot of this kind of bullshit, and can choose ahead of time whether we want to buy the platform for these sales or not.
Just the same, I imagine we'll still see a community of people who develop and release content outside of these stores for free simply for the recognition and fun of doing it.
The bottomline for me is thus:
If these guys are doing such great work that it merits paying for as additions to the game you've made? Fucking hire them already, bring them in house as designers and release an actual expansion pack of developer approved stuff. Give these guys jobs doing game dev work instead of relying on them like some kind of freelance mercenary content contractors and riding their backs all the way to the bank. If these things they're making are so great and so sought after go slap your director/developers around and ask them why the fuck they didn't think of this shit first. You shouldn't be getting out-played by your own modding community to the point where you're looking at them and thinking "we ought to make a buck off of that".
You should be asking "why didn't we think of/do that first?" How could we spend all these millions of dollars developing a AAA title and not think to incorporate a feature some neckbeard cooked up in his basement over a couple hundred hours? Why have we not hired this person already?
The only good thing about this is the drama. The guy who made SkyUI is getting shit on so hard even after the paid crap was removed. All the good modders kept their stuff for free and said they'd stay that way.
thot_slayer wrote:don't be a degenerate online if you don't want people to treat you like a degenerate morty
This is one of those times when I'm hoping that I completely misunderstood the situation, because it's kind of worrying to think that a company with as much resources, experience, and manpower as Valve could make such a nearsighted decision. The whole thing just felt really slapdash from what little I knew about it.
Spoiler:
Shaps wrote:I never thought I'd see the day where someone tried claiming the moral high ground on drinking a bottle of cough syrup
TechnoAlchemist wrote:dumb baby boo boo "i wish I enlisted then mom would be proud" ballistics.
Saegrimr wrote:
Wyzack wrote:Remove players 2016, they ruin everything they touch
IM TRYING
Saegrimr wrote:
yackemflam wrote:It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.
MAYBE IF YOU'D QUIT SHITTING ON THE PLATE WHEN YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GET UP TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND JUST PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE
FantasticFwoosh wrote:Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both).
An0n3 wrote:Azari for headmin 2015
He's an admin you can trust because nobody remembers to involve him in their conspiracies.
Drynwyn wrote:hbrahlrlahrlharlahr FEATURE CREEP
ShadowDimentio wrote:Instructions too complex, spaced the clown
Akkryls wrote:I mean, we are rightfully pissed off, but let's be pissed off for the correct reasons.
Falamazeer wrote:I am sufficiently outraged for you
Maccus wrote:You look like the dad every teenage boy doesn't look forward to meeting at his girlfriend's house
nsos wrote:When I was a teen and did the inevitable trying to suck your own dick thing I managed to get the head in my mouth and I feel like the rest of my life is me being punished for that
miggles wrote:is that supposed to be a trick question or just a dumb one
cedarbridge wrote:My first idea is that everyone just stops being faggots to each other but that's not going to happen, obviously.
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Most soap operas could be improved if every scene had a greyshirt in the background hooting "GIBE DE POOSIE BOSS" all the time
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:classic style is "shit on everyone from the greatest heights, so they cannot climb high enough to shit on you"
Super Aggro Crag wrote:you can't just use meme to mean "thing I don't like" you goatherd
Saegrimr wrote:"lel just go explore make YOUR OWN fun wow do you have NO IMAGINATION back in MY DAY we used to shove twigs in our urethras and PRETENDED WE WERE KNIGHTS"
An0n3 wrote:Fucking crystal ass wind chime lookin' bitch.
Saegrimr wrote:It should be common sense but this is /tg/.
The internet complainer squad has done it folks, the shitstorm was so massive Valve rescinded the bullshit to avoid the PR shitsmear. Good job everyone, free gaming is saved
Arthur Thomson says, "Since there are no admins I would loging with another account and kill you"
Caleb Robinson laughs.
Arthur Thomson catches fire!
tusterman11 wrote:Can you stop lying? I just asked you and you are was a piece of shiit on me!!!
Kor wrote:I wish Wyzack was still an admin.
EngamerAzari's real number one fangirl <3
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An0n3 wrote:The Midas Magic guy is the absolute worst asshole to "leverage their brand" in this entire fiasco.
Wasn't he the one who turned the free version of his mod into nagware?
Yeah what Drynwyn said above is correct. If you were using the free version of his mod you got a 4% chance to see a pop up advising you to buy the mod every cast.
I saw a screencapture of him addressing complaints that the pop up was:
A) More frequent than 4%
B) Still didn't go away on purchasing the mod
>Travel across planes of reality to communicate with gods and demons
>Slay ancient threats from across mortal boundaries
>wife still wont let me get a piece of that ass
>can only adopt children
"De-makes" of modern games are so bizarrely hilarious. It's like... I don't know why you'd do this to yourself, but thank you nonetheless.
Spoiler:
Shaps wrote:I never thought I'd see the day where someone tried claiming the moral high ground on drinking a bottle of cough syrup
TechnoAlchemist wrote:dumb baby boo boo "i wish I enlisted then mom would be proud" ballistics.
Saegrimr wrote:
Wyzack wrote:Remove players 2016, they ruin everything they touch
IM TRYING
Saegrimr wrote:
yackemflam wrote:It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.
MAYBE IF YOU'D QUIT SHITTING ON THE PLATE WHEN YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GET UP TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND JUST PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE
FantasticFwoosh wrote:Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both).
An0n3 wrote:Azari for headmin 2015
He's an admin you can trust because nobody remembers to involve him in their conspiracies.
Drynwyn wrote:hbrahlrlahrlharlahr FEATURE CREEP
ShadowDimentio wrote:Instructions too complex, spaced the clown
Akkryls wrote:I mean, we are rightfully pissed off, but let's be pissed off for the correct reasons.
Falamazeer wrote:I am sufficiently outraged for you
Maccus wrote:You look like the dad every teenage boy doesn't look forward to meeting at his girlfriend's house
nsos wrote:When I was a teen and did the inevitable trying to suck your own dick thing I managed to get the head in my mouth and I feel like the rest of my life is me being punished for that
miggles wrote:is that supposed to be a trick question or just a dumb one
cedarbridge wrote:My first idea is that everyone just stops being faggots to each other but that's not going to happen, obviously.
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Most soap operas could be improved if every scene had a greyshirt in the background hooting "GIBE DE POOSIE BOSS" all the time
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:classic style is "shit on everyone from the greatest heights, so they cannot climb high enough to shit on you"
Super Aggro Crag wrote:you can't just use meme to mean "thing I don't like" you goatherd
Saegrimr wrote:"lel just go explore make YOUR OWN fun wow do you have NO IMAGINATION back in MY DAY we used to shove twigs in our urethras and PRETENDED WE WERE KNIGHTS"
An0n3 wrote:Fucking crystal ass wind chime lookin' bitch.
Saegrimr wrote:It should be common sense but this is /tg/.
I'm going to chime in and try not to sound like a butthurt fan boy. Yeah i was pissed a lot about the whole shindig. Thought ya modders need money... then thought why not set up donations. Yeah maybe vale set up the 35% or not its a lot higher than some artists gets far less... My frind had a music gig in my state and he only got 9% of ticket sales for a 2 hour show.
Now to address the mods being pulled off nexus... It was more the creators pulling their shit to stop assholes from turning around to make a quick buck off their own shit.
Gabe Stumbled and he thought he was doing good. Valve fucked up he fixed it no big issue.
Stop treating shit like its the golden cow and lift it high above all.
Valve is a company they are trying to make money and offer us a service for that money. Nothing more nothing less.
It's not cool to be over a hundred hours into a playthrough with a bunch of mods and shit only to find out if you want to keep playing your own game you might need to shell money out for each person who made each thing you're playing with, or else you're shit is fucked and you'll need to start over.
EndgamerAzari wrote:This is one of those times when I'm hoping that I completely misunderstood the situation, because it's kind of worrying to think that a company with as much resources, experience, and manpower as Valve could make such a nearsighted decision. The whole thing just felt really slapdash from what little I knew about it.
It was not Valve's Idea and you need to remember Gaben does not see him self as a boss unless he needs to be. They had good intentions but it went to shit fast by the user base
It's too late now, the deed is done. We shall storm Valve headquaters in search for Half Life 3, just to find it has day one DLCs, has paid mods support and will be relased in episodes.
Also, does anyone know what to do in Skyrim now except turning it into sex hell using mods?
Kot wrote:It's too late now, the deed is done. We shall storm Valve headquaters in search for Half Life 3, just to find it has day one DLCs, has paid mods support and will be relased in episodes.
Also, does anyone know what to do in Skyrim now except turning it into sex hell using mods?
Super iron man dickstomping mode.
Create a character on the hardest difficulty, install mods for starvation/thirst/sleep needs, mods for survivalism/weather, mods for more fatalities and gore, and then get your shit wrekt.
LunchboxKilla wrote:It was not Valve's Idea and you need to remember Gaben does not see him self as a boss unless he needs to be. They had good intentions but it went to shit fast by the user base
Are there any mods that increase difficulty while making combat fast and visceral? I get so fucking fed up with hp bloat being used as a method of increasing difficulty, and combat turns into 2 dudes stabbing each other in the chest for 10 minutes until one finally stops moving. I wanna try this hyper realism high difficulty thing. Any other mods you would reccomend?
Arthur Thomson says, "Since there are no admins I would loging with another account and kill you"
Caleb Robinson laughs.
Arthur Thomson catches fire!
tusterman11 wrote:Can you stop lying? I just asked you and you are was a piece of shiit on me!!!
Kor wrote:I wish Wyzack was still an admin.
EngamerAzari's real number one fangirl <3
certified good poster
The hp bloat was at least contended with by the ability to feedback loop crafting to get uber weps if using weapons. Try the totally non scaling spells combined with a stealth playstyle, pro you fucking uncatchable cons everything takes for bloody ever.