Nanotrasen Inc Needs You! (EVE online)

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:11 pm #31607

Bottom post of the previous page:

Does anyone remember the BECAUSE OF FALCON thing? I never really understood what the deal with that was. Apparently the Falcon was broken or something? And then they fixed it and in doing so broke cloaks so everyone yelled BECAUSE OF INVISIBLE FALCON instead? I dunno...

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:00 pm #31625

You know how I pointed out how radically overpowered ECM is in small engagements because it lets you totally ruin one ship's ability to fight? Falcon was easily able to lock down most small fleets solo which rendered any other version of EWAR basically obsolete. Why lower tracking range when 2-3 ships can lock everyone down? Falcons could easily permanently jam multiple ships solo. They were not so insane in huge fleet engagements and were not invincible, but for most eve players a falcon basically meant you could not engage on a fleet.

It is still pretty amazing in small fleet engagements because it can decloak and suddenly jam out a few targets to swing a fight, and it would probably be what our hypothetical ECM specialist would aspire to, but it isn't AS insane anymore. Theoretically if we decided to be a covert ops stealth fleet this baby would be what lets us take out nulsec carriers and such though.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:03 pm #31639

I'm almost done training for Interceptors. I'll be able to fly Minmatar and Gallente at first. It'll give our small fleet roams a bit more oomph in tackling and free everyone else up to pursue ECM and DPS as they want.

There might be some impromptu roams popping up over the next few days. I would recommend everyone builds and stashes at least one ship that's fit for a buffer tank, DPS, and carries maybe a single warp disruptor on it, just in case you're around when we sneak out for some hunting and you want to come along.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:13 pm #31640

Everyone should keep specialties in the back of their mind while doing general skilling. Specialties are not destiny, so if you find out you really hate EWAR or being a sniper you can switch out, cross training happens all the time. It just benefits us as a corp greatly to know what people are interested in trying and what we have to work with.

M0nsoon · Post by **M0nsoon** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:09 am #31694

An0n3 wrote:I'm almost done training for Interceptors. I'll be able to fly Minmatar and Gallente at first. It'll give our small fleet roams a bit more oomph in tackling and free everyone else up to pursue ECM and DPS as they want.

There might be some impromptu roams popping up over the next few days. I would recommend everyone builds and stashes at least one ship that's fit for a buffer tank, DPS, and carries maybe a single warp disruptor on it, just in case you're around when we sneak out for some hunting and you want to come along.

Oh well if we needed interceptors last time you should have said something, I could already fly them and have some kitted out Ares and maybe a Taranes or two

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:20 am #31695

Maybe rather than considering this a small scale fleet op we should just treat it like a roving gang and let the group form up more organically.

Our needs for roles are still the same, but let's consider any kind of doctrine abandoned for the moment and let people fly whatever they feel is their personal best ships instead.

Kangaraptor · Post by **Kangaraptor** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:35 am #31759

An0n3 wrote:Maybe rather than considering this a small scale fleet op we should just treat it like a roving gang and let the group form up more organically.

Our needs for roles are still the same, but let's consider any kind of doctrine abandoned for the moment and let people fly whatever they feel is their personal best ships instead.

Been a while since I chimed in: I'd suggest letting people get into the swing of things and find what they like to fly and build doctrines around that, yeah. It makes the game more enjoyable, rather than falling into the 'you must fly x to pvp' trap a lot of larger groups end up becoming the victim of.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:12 pm #31900

I wanted to ask some stuff but the wildhog ts I could find didnt work.

M0nsoon · Post by **M0nsoon** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:45 am #31980

ColonicAcid wrote:We should practise small 2 versus 2 engagements tbh.

People (mostly I) haven't ever been in pvp and teaming up with someone else in shitfits and flying against other shit fits in a controlled environment would be a great help.

We could do some 1v1s on wednsday, just get yourself a shitton of t1 ships fitted with t1 stuff and we should be good.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:06 am #32077

Ho boy.

Things have reached a point where I have to start interviewing replacement CEO's, having people vote on replacement CEO's, or just plain urging everyone to join another corp and shutting this one down.

My commitment to EVE is adversely affecting my commitment to school, and that's a no go. Gotta stop.

SO, who do you guys think is the best person for the job? Who even WANTS the job?

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:14 pm #32102

I'll take it on only if nobody else wants to, I am in the same boat as you Anon-kun.

M0nsoon · Post by **M0nsoon** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:11 pm #32165

Shieeeeeeet

Really sucks to hear that, but ya school is pretty damn important compared to our 3d spessman game.

I'll hang around for awhile still see what goes on, after that I'll hang with the corp still or rejoin an NPC corp for some knowledge and learnings until we can get Nanotrasen back up and running.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 pm #32269

dezzmont wrote:EDIT: I just put my rant about the epicness of the drake in a spoiler because I realized most people wont give a shit.
Spoiler:
The Drake is often regarded as the best mission running ship in the game because it requires almost no skilling to be able to do attrition running and scales fully into "I will destroy everything instantly" with missile skills. Unless it was recently nerfed it also is still tougher than any non-tank battleship, and deals more damage than any other caldari battlecruiser. Most mission runners actually recommend you stick with the drake when you unlock L4s and stick to L3s untill get really skilled up in battleships because a cruddy drake in L3s earns money faster than a decent battleship in L4s. CCP has been talking about nerfing the drake for ages because of how damn special it is: It is a tank ship that has a larger DPS bonus and longer range than the sniper ships in its class with a better specialized weapon than blasters, and it ends up with a higher EHP than non-tank battleships without even accounting for its modules, and its only weakness is an agility penalty. Slap a MWD on that shit and you blast through L3s like no ones business as long as you mind positioning and pre-align. With a 60 km effective engagement range they can generally hit most of the pocket as they warp in and kinetic damage is good against nearly everything and every one.

No one uses the sniper or utility BCs in mission anyway, even the factions that have really good ones like Amarr. BC mission runners in Caldari have the choice between the drake, the naga, and the ferox. The ferox is a sniper blaster boat that is garbage at PVE no matter how you slice it and the naga isn't viable for solo running without a truly ridiculous level of skill due to its inability to handle even short bursts of agro and likewise is used as a sniper boat in PVP more often than it runs PVE. The saving grace of the naga is its use in supporting L4 mission runners. But the drake is useful for pretty much everything from PVE to PVP and has almost no skill investment to boot, it is considered probably one of the most tanky non-cap ships in the game and has had more documentation written for it than pretty much any other ship in terms of how to specifically fly it. It has guides on almost any training corps website, from goon to eve uni, that are nearly three times as long as anyone else's. It is by every account a very special ship. I am mad jelly my equivalent ship is the god damned prophecy, probably a bit better at missions but not nearly as versatile.

SPEAK BROTHER. SPEAK OF THE GLORY OF THE DRAKE.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:08 pm #32470

rip nanotrasen you were like a baby bird that tried to fly out of its nest and all that ended happening was that you broke your neck from tripping on a twig.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:19 pm #32705

Lets be real, I have the experience and the clearly raging autism to run an EVE corp but the second i take over I would probably drive everyone out.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:00 pm #32717

dezzmont wrote:Lets be real, I have the experience and the clearly raging autism to run an EVE corp but the second i take over I would probably drive everyone out.

That's why I didn't bring it up with you first.

You have great knowledge but terrible people skills.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:14 pm #33853

travel times are gonna get trashed

maybe the status quo of nullsec going to get reked now.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:00 pm #33890

ColonicAcid wrote:travel times are gonna get trashed

maybe the status quo of nullsec going to get reked now.

Elaborate.

Also won't be online till my student loan comes through because the student loans company are being dicks.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:42 pm #33904

http://themittani.com/news/long-distanc ... se-roundup

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:25 pm #33910

ColonicAcid wrote:http://themittani.com/news/long-distanc ... se-roundup

Good the more players and corps being able to access nullsec space the better.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:19 am #34002

Comrade Leo wrote:
ColonicAcid wrote:http://themittani.com/news/long-distanc ... se-roundup
Good the more players and corps being able to access nullsec space the better.

Eh? It's having the opposite effect. The big wammy of that thread is the truncating of all jump distances to a base of 5LY.

It's neat because it'll make it a lot harder logistically for big ass fleets to congregate on single systems from the four corners of the universe. You'll have to actually plan a series of jumps and slow boat fleets around more.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:19 am #34111

Comrade Leo wrote:
ColonicAcid wrote:http://themittani.com/news/long-distanc ... se-roundup
Good the more players and corps being able to access nullsec space the better.

Small corps and alliances will have a difficult time with logistics in nullsec now.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:17 pm #34135

How so? Wouldn't the larger 'empires' have more difficulty responding and holding respective territories? I can see how having to negotiate with multiple alliances to get where you need to go might hinder movement, but isn't carving up the larger blocs into smaller ones for multiple corps/alliances better off (not economically, gameplay-wise)?

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:23 pm #34146

Comrade Leo wrote:How so? Wouldn't the larger 'empires' have more difficulty responding and holding respective territories? I can see how having to negotiate with multiple alliances to get where you need to go might hinder movement, but isn't carving up the larger blocs into smaller ones for multiple corps/alliances better off (not economically, gameplay-wise)?

Jump range reduction means you need to make more jumps to haul from high to null.
These new jumps go through low and null, very often without stations (or stations where you can dock). And there is also the cooldown too now.
So large alliances have an easier time with producing enough cyno and JF alts. CCP might be intending to make convoys happen, large alliances also have an easier time with that.
It is also possible to go through gates with JFs now but those gates are camped a lot. One might say "Just scout", but you cant scout logged off camps for example.
CCP wants nullsec to have a local economy but you cant produce tech2 stuff with local materials, it is not possible.

Anyway, I think the power projection nerf in general is fine, but the JF nerf is bad and doesnt hurt large alliances as much as the little ones. It also makes logistics more tedious, it was enough of a hassle already.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:45 pm #35060

http://themittani.com/news/null-deal-st ... vereign-00
Next public statement by null sec leaders:
"We suck dicks and we LOVE it!"

edit:

Kot · Post by **Kot** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:22 pm #35402

Lost muh internets like month ago so I would have to start again (because >paying for games lol).
Though I think I wish you guys best luck if you're still playing.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:55 am #35453

RIP Nanotrasen Inc. CEO inactive. Corp will now stagnate. Sorry bro's ;_;7

Kot · Post by **Kot** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:57 am #35454

Be alive faggots i just wished you BEST luck.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:28 am #35517

I-i'm alive. ;_;

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:29 pm #35586

Me too, but since I find mining awfully boring and I still don't have the sp needed to do t3's I've put my time to just going on the game and setting my skills.

Tho if it's going to be inactive I may as well go and try to find another corp to take me in, maybe even in nullsec, dunno.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:50 pm #35599

I've already left to do just that.

Ames · Post by **Ames** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:04 pm #35768

Hello!

Do you think it would be possible to make a /tg/ ingame channel for people to just hang in and chit chat, now that it seems the corp didn't make it?

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:28 pm #35775

we could yeah.
Also the corp still hasn't "not made it" it's just going inactive until an0n is on holidays or some shit i dunno.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:56 pm #35810

I might come back in November around Thanksgiving break, but probably not for very long.

Ames · Post by **Ames** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:57 am #35848

So about that channel, you want me to make it or let one of you guys do it?

Spoiler:

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:03 pm #35917

Ames wrote:So about that channel, you want me to make it or let one of you guys do it?

Spoiler:
my ingame name is Lynn Deniera

Go ahead I guess.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:40 pm #54868

what the fuck is up
im back
im here
and ive got 27 days before i can use a ceberus

5 million sp and counting motherfuckers.

Sum Ting Wong · Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:39 pm

I don't know why I keep playing this.

Does anybody want my isk?

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:00 pm #54889

Goonswarm says hello.

Sum Ting Wong wrote:I don't know why I keep playing this.

Does anybody want my isk?

Can I have your stuff?

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:12 pm #54899

>CFC

for what purpose

Sum Ting Wong · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:43 pm

>goonswarm
You fags are shitting out moongoo, literally swimming iskies. I want to give my stuff to a new player.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:07 pm #54917

ive made bank now so i don't need it

still waiting for the diaspora of anon to end
tho his brother seems to have made an alt army so that's p. cool. YO ANON HOWS YOUR BROTHER DOING I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM ONLINE YET CUZ OF TIMEZONES AND SHIT.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:25 am #54950

leibniz wrote:>CFC

for what purpose

Leading gangs for the better part of 4 years and large fleets for about 2. Its like playing Sins of a Solar Empire, only with ships that act like shitheads over the radio and occasionally drink bleach. Worth it at the end of the day when I can shittalk BL or whoever we're beating up that day. Also, burning TEST out of Fountain was one of my favorite things. Highsec nerds can shoot their rocks.

Sum Ting Wong wrote:>goonswarm
You fags are shitting out moongoo, literally swimming iskies. I want to give my stuff to a new player.

Where you been? moongoo ain't shit anymore. We stay in the money because the Jewbal (name self-given) has their hands in every industry and isk-making scheme in EVE.

Post by **lumipharon** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:49 am #54961

Yeah I'm in the bastion. I barely play. I just login when fleet pings go up or when I can be assed. Shoot faggots, dock up and log back out again.
Literally haven't PvE'd in 2 years.

Edit: Honk, just lost my set of mid grade snakes. Was sitting in dock range of a station and it was trying to approach, even though I was already in range, so didn't move at all. Got stuck and blapped like a pleb. Anyone got 800m spare?

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:37 am #55028

Daily reminder that goons were the cause of the stagnation of nullsec and the technetium shittery.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:57 pm #55049

ColonicAcid wrote:Daily reminder that goons were the cause of the stagnation of nullsec and the technetium shittery.

If only that were true.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:46 pm #55074

?
no i'm pretty sure you were a third of the cause
n3dot and pl were the other cause.
you can't deny this, there's even a fuckin treaty you lot signed saying you will not hurt infastructure of any other coalition, plus lmao @ the rage coming from ur side after the jump changes.
Goons were also the main driving force pushing OTEC so yes, charges case set and point m8.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:16 pm #55084

Goonswarm should be proud of their accomplishments, they have every right to be.

From a detached perspective though, they kind of ruined the game. By bringing such a large community of players from outside the game into the game, they changed the scale of confrontations in game and raised the bar required for trying to get a piece of a lot of what could be considered "end game" content.

It's become a new thing and that's fine but imagine how much better the game would be if all these major coalitions dissolved and were replaced by tiny fractured independents everywhere.

Yeah I'm in the bastion. I barely play. I just login when fleet pings go up or when I can be assed. Shoot faggots, dock up and log back out again.
Literally haven't PvE'd in 2 years.

I mean, is that really fun? You only login to be a chess piece in someone else's giant fleet bash, do what your told, shoot what your told, and then logout again?

I wouldn't even call that real PVP experience. That's not teaching you how to wolfpack around looking for prey, 1v1 fundamentals. You're learning (if you listen really well?) some FC skills but unless you aspire to one day lead the giant fleets (and these guys will ever trust you to put you in a position to do that) you're not furthering your own game. You're just a shitty chess piece.

Sum Ting Wong · Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:57 pm

cedarbridge wrote: If only that were true.

CCP has been slowly trying to push players out into nullsec over the last few years. This is important because their marketing MO for the longest time was player told stories and epic confrontations that originated from 0.0

The problem, then, is that CFC has CCP wrapped around their finger. Being the largest presence in the game has earned them friends within the company and the largest voice on the forums. Changes that threaten their monopoly end up being shouted back down or changed for the worse. Nullsec is slowly stagnating because of this.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:23 pm #55106

Sum Ting Wong wrote:
cedarbridge wrote: If only that were true.
CCP has been slowly trying to push players out into nullsec over the last few years. This is important because their marketing MO for the longest time was player told stories and epic confrontations that originated from 0.0

The problem, then, is that CFC has CCP wrapped around their finger. Being the largest presence in the game has earned them friends within the company and the largest voice on the forums. Changes that threaten their monopoly end up being shouted back down or changed for the worse. Nullsec is slowly stagnating because of this.

Except most of those "changes that threaten their monopoly" were either suggested, championed by, or lobbied for by GSF/CFC. Tech? We told CCP that was going to be a problem before it first spiked and they did nothing until OTEC had already done its thing for an eon and we'd even run a stupid ad on the Alliance tourney making fun of it. Remote controlled drone blobs? We even mentioned in the fleet doctrine announcement when we started that stupid gimmick that we were going to abuse it until CCP listened and nerfed it. The forums are noise, we're influential because we're visible so we can effectively lampshade poor balance choices CCP makes and they have no real choice but to do something about it when an entity as large as us abuses it.

ColonicAcid wrote:?
no i'm pretty sure you were a third of the cause
n3dot and pl were the other cause.
you can't deny this, there's even a fuckin treaty you lot signed saying you will not hurt infastructure of any other coalition, plus lmao @ the rage coming from ur side after the jump changes.
Goons were also the main driving force pushing OTEC so yes, charges case set and point m8.

>he thinks the capital jump changes hurt us instead of turning Deklien into an unassailable fortress
Yep, we're super sad our ratters and home region can't be hotdropped from outside normal scouts range. Yep

OTEC was a hoot. It didn't stagnate anything as evidenced by the 3-5 major deployments we had against other coalitions per year while OTEC was active. The fact that we're still subsidizing things like carriers and suicide dreads is evidence that tech wasn't really the decider that everyone made it out to be.

An0n3 wrote:From a detached perspective though, they kind of ruined the game. By bringing such a large community of players from outside the game into the game, they changed the scale of confrontations in game and raised the bar required for trying to get a piece of a lot of what could be considered "end game" content.

It's become a new thing and that's fine but imagine how much better the game would be if all these major coalitions dissolved and were replaced by tiny fractured independents everywhere.

GS proper is only a fraction of the greater GS alliance. Its tricky because my actual corp Merch Industrial is actually a group from the Penny Arcade forums (formerly We Are Nice Guys.) Sure, there's a lot of SA guys and whatnot, but GSA (and moreso the entire CFC) is a pretty big patchwork of entirely different groups hooked by a culture we've actually spent a lot of time working on building. That's really the key to our longevity.

I'm less interested in the "more shitty little groups in a bigger shitfest of little groups" and more on focus on wanting to hold actual possessions. As it is now, space only has value in having a shitton of it and then landlording it out to others. That's how most of the vast null-empires make their gobs of isk now. Its far and away from what many (in GS/CFC especially) have suggested where actually having a home system matters for more than a major trade hub for allied buyers and sellers. As it is now, there's no reason to protect a home system from anything short of a protracted invasion because the "pirates" will just fuck off in an hour or whatever and the ratters can go back to shooting red crosses/running plexes whatever. Hell, most of the space around where I personally dock up is empty and unused (partially because its shit) and partially because nobody has a reason to ever use those systems for anything. If you want more and more compact empires in nullsec, you need to start considering why it is in the interest of those currently controlling large empire to keep them large (and mostly empty.)

Sum Ting Wong · Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:09 pm

cedarbridge wrote: Except most of those "changes that threaten their monopoly" were either suggested, championed by, or lobbied for by GSF/CFC. Tech? We told CCP that was going to be a problem before it first spiked and they did nothing until OTEC had already done its thing for an eon and we'd even run a stupid ad on the Alliance tourney making fun of it. Remote controlled drone blobs? We even mentioned in the fleet doctrine announcement when we started that stupid gimmick that we were going to abuse it until CCP listened and nerfed it. The forums are noise, we're influential because we're visible so we can effectively lampshade poor balance choices CCP makes and they have no real choice but to do something about it when an entity as large as us abuses it.

What about those Mobile Siphon Units? I seem to recall your alliance holding a very strong view of them during the months before they were changed. Do you think that they were championed too? Speaking of which, doesn't your alliance also hold an incredibly large amount of Guidance Systems stocked up somewhere? Rumor has it that you folks tried to buy up as much as you could before the PI goods went up for Siphon production.

12 mil to produce, harder to deploy en-masse, but easier production mat sales to poor scrublets. You guys also loved Siphons so much that you neglected to mention to CCP that they can be detected through API.