When and where this incident occured: Manuel, 5/26/24
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Bisar, Ted 'GreyTide Ted' Metek
Admin: Dunham
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 229466, subsequent pre-round (no ID available)
Detailed summary:
I'd like to apologize for getting so irate, both in the admin-help exchange of the previous round and the subsequent OOC conversation. I'm working on that, though to be frank, I sometimes feel my willingness to acknowledge my mistakes invites further ridicule and scrutiny. That's beside point of this complaint.
As Warden, one of my prisoners Lyndsey Buzzard (Newyearnewme) slashed herself up with a shard of glass, then (from checking the logs) drew all her blood out with a syringe and splashed it all over the floor.
<THESE LOGS WERE NOT IMMEDIATELY AFTER EACH OTHER, THERE WERE MANY ACTIONS TAKING PLACE AT THE TIME ALL THROUGHOUT THE ROUND>
[2024-05-26 06:55:13.113] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 87.3) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:14.302] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 83.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:15.464] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 79.8) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:16.725] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:18.105] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 72.3) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:19.470] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 68.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:20.671] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 64.8) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:22.217] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:24.130] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:25.376] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
[2024-05-26 06:55:26.624] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attacked Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with shard (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Prison Rec Room (100,184,2))
After the shard attacking, Lyndsey healed herself with a suture. When she was brought up to the Security Medbay, I saw that she had a very low blood level, but very little brute damage. I assumed this was because the doctor had healed her before I arrived.
<There are several hundred lines between these two sets of logs, above and below>
(the following is repeated quite a few times in the logs, here is snippet)
[2024-05-26 06:57:11.211] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) attempted to inject [Space-Up!] with the syringe (syriniver) which had /datum/reagent/blood (15u, 1 purity) (Prison Wing (105,185,2))
[2024-05-26 06:57:11.212] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) transferred reagents to [Space-Up!] with the syringe (syriniver) which had /datum/reagent/blood (5u, 1 purity) (Prison Wing (105,185,2))
[2024-05-26 06:57:14.162] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) has thrown Space-Up! . (Prison Wing (105,185,2))
[2024-05-26 06:57:14.202] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) splashed (thrown) Blood [floor] with in Prison Wing (104,185,2) (Prison Wing (105,185,2))
[2024-05-26 06:57:14.203] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) splashed (thrown) Blood on the floor. (Prison Wing (105,185,2))
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... ack.txt.gz
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... hs.html.gz
2024-05-26 07:00:36 [mob_3316] (115,176,4) || Lyndsey Buzzard (newyearnewme) has died at (Security Medical (115,176,4)).
BRUTE: 9 BURN: 0 TOX: 0 OXY: 195.667 STAM: 0
Brain damage: 0
Blood volume: 324.002cl (57.9%)
Reagents:
Blood:
7.912 units of Mushroom Hallucinogen
9.75 units of Epinephrine
2.68 units of Formaldehyde
1.75 units of Sanguirite
In response to them doing this, I had them pacified. At the time, I believed they had beat themself to death with a bat and a shard of glass, because we found the area covered in blood with a bat nearby when we went down to investigate (myself and someone playing third captain(?) which was apparently a promotion after roundstart). I had the following Ahelp exchange shortly after the pacification, which took around 5-10 minutes of dragging Lyndsey around in a straitjacket.
From Ticket #6 during round 229466 on Manuel:
---- Log Begins ----
2024-05-26 07:22:17: Ticket Opened by dunham: Hey, what happened between you and Lyndsey Buzzard the prisoner?
2024-05-26 07:22:33: Reply from bisar: She beat herself to death with a bat so I pacified her.
2024-05-26 07:22:58: Reply from dunham: Do you have actual proof of this? She's telling me otherwise
2024-05-26 07:23:20: Reply from bisar: She had bled all her blood out. We walked in and found blood everywhere.
2024-05-26 07:28:19: Reply from dunham: That's not a good enough excuse to pacify a prisoner for.
2024-05-26 07:28:47: Reply from bisar: All the evidence pointing to a prisoner beating themself to death isn't good enough reason to pacify them?
2024-05-26 07:29:18: Reply from dunham: A good reason would be beating you up or breaking windows. You're just torturing them at this point
2024-05-26 07:29:28: Reply from bisar: I'm not
2024-05-26 07:29:57: Reply from dunham: You're dragging them around in a straight jacket and pacified them. How'd you like it if you were in their shoes?
2024-05-26 07:30:33: Reply from bisar: I would probably understand if I had just bled myself totally dry
2024-05-26 07:31:06: Reply from dunham: As an admin, I'm telling you to knock it off. Find a better reason next time
2024-05-26 07:31:34: Reply from bisar: knock what off exactly??? what was the appropriate response to them killing themselff????###\#\]
2024-05-26 07:31:47: Reply from bisar: WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
2024-05-26 07:32:58: Reply from dunham: Get em to medbay, talk with em to find out what happened, and if they're deemed crazy, put em in a straight jacket and have a psych talk to em or throw them into the padded cell for a bit. Pacifying is a bit too much, they didn't attack you in anyway
2024-05-26 07:39:42: <a>Dunham</a>/(Maxwell Combs) has created a note for Bisar<br />Pacified a prisoner because he thought she deliberately killed herself when they were dying from mushroom toxin. Please don't pacify prisoners unless they're extremely harmful to security staff
2024-05-26 07:42:04: Reply from dunham: In the future please only pacify aggressive prisoners that are attacking your staff.
2024-05-26 07:42:12: Reply from bisar: Ok.
2024-05-26 07:42:23: Resolved by Dunham
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With the information available to me, it seemed readily apparent that the prisoner had committed violent suicide. So I had them pacified. In response, dunham put a note on my account about having pacified a prisoner after I mistook a death from mushroom toxin for a violent suicide. The actual facts were that the prisoner slashed themself up, sutured themself, then drained out all their own blood.
[2024-05-26 06:39:14.263] ATTACK: Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) (mob_3316) transferred reagents to Newyearnewme/(Lyndsey Buzzard) with the sunshine pill which had /datum/reagent/drug/mushroomhallucinogen (15u, 1 purity) and /datum/reagent/toxin/mindbreaker (15u, 0.75 purity) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Visitation Area (99,179,3))
They had taken a bunch of floorpills with the following in them, and apparently their actions with the glass and the syringe was them trying to "get it out"? From what I understood them having told me in character? In any case, having a HIGH SEVERITY note put on my account for pacifying a prisoner who committed violent suicide seems excessive, and as well the note itself is just incorrect.
I think it would have been judicious to have actually consulted the facts before issuing a note of that level.
Attached is a brief exchange I also had with Dunham, Rageguy505, and Newyearnewme in the subsequent pre-round and round start. I quickly ghosted and logged off because I was quite upset. I'm not sure how me going catatonic round-start was handled.
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Note left by Dunham on 2024-05-26 07:39:42
Pacified a prisoner because he thought she deliberately killed herself when they were dying from mushroom toxin. Please don't pacify prisoners unless they're extremely harmful to security staff
PM to-Admins: Dying from mushroom toxin?
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OOC: Bisar: Lyndsey: were you dying from toxin damage last round?
OOC: Bisar: it was my understanding you had taken mushroom hallucinogen
OOC: Newyearnewme: no but
OOC: Newyearnewme: mushroom halluninogen decays at like
OOC: Newyearnewme: 0.08 per tik
OOC: Newyearnewme: and it makes you speak rnadom languages
OOC: Bisar: ok so now i have a note for pacifying you while you were 'dying of mushroom toxin'
OOC: Newyearnewme: so i was DESPARETE to try to
OOC: Newyearnewme: well you did pacify me fnr lol
OOC: Bisar: so now i just look like a total fucking dipshit who pacified a prisoner who was dying of poison when that's not what happened at all
OOC: Rageguy505: L
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-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Dunham: That's what she died from, yeah.
<Round starts>
PM to-Admins: i did not mean to sign up as warden.
OOC: Newyearnewme: bisar im sorry dude but like. that was last round
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Dunham: Guess you'll have to play as Warden or step down IC'ly
Click on the administrator's name to reply.
It's at that point that I did the ghosting and disconnect. I trimmed out some surrounding natter that, as far as I could tell, was not related to the conversation.