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If only this was glorious preferences based voting it would already be sorted, oh well.Headmin Election General
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Re: Headmin Election General
I stand by my opinion that voting for bluespace is a bad idea.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I stand by my opinion that voting for Ikkarus is voting for heavy handed "roleplay" and "play my way" administration.
Hornygranny is HBL v2.
Bluespace wont get any respect from anyone in current administration and will have little impact.
Also find it hilarious that out of 7 candidates 4(!) are going to second round. Over half. Democracy ho, that tied vote.
Hornygranny is HBL v2.
Bluespace wont get any respect from anyone in current administration and will have little impact.
Also find it hilarious that out of 7 candidates 4(!) are going to second round. Over half. Democracy ho, that tied vote.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I included Pandarsenic's endorsement in the candidate list. If Staub and Leo would like to endorse anyone please let us know soon.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I offer no endorsements, but I will say in the interests of both the admin team and playerbase, of which their respective headmins are meant to represent, do not vote HG for player headmin and create a coderbus majority over all headmin decisions.
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Re: Headmin Election General
Well, technically speaking we aren't sure it's a two-way tie for 3rd.
If even one person used a second ckey to vote for either candidate twice it breaks the tie and we'll have a proper runoff between the top 3.
Hell for all we yet know all of my votes could've come from a very enthusiastic Tonto.
If even one person used a second ckey to vote for either candidate twice it breaks the tie and we'll have a proper runoff between the top 3.
Hell for all we yet know all of my votes could've come from a very enthusiastic Tonto.
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Re: Headmin Election General
IKARRUS VS ANONE
THE RAGE CAGE IS ON
A CHUTES AND LADDERS MATCH
THE RAGE CAGE IS ON
A CHUTES AND LADDERS MATCH
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Re: Headmin Election General
It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again
This time there are only three candidates to vote for.
This time there are only three candidates to vote for.
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Oh, I'll have to do that then. Thanks.An0n3 wrote:It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again
This time there are only three candidates to vote for.
Hey.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I would just like to post a round of applause for our Fat Controller QuartzCrystal, for taking the time to kick the boulder until it rolled down the hill.
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Reason: edit? what edit? I dunno whats you're talking aboot.
Reason: edit? what edit? I dunno whats you're talking aboot.
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Re: Headmin Election General
To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.
Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.
Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.
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Re: Headmin Election General
>not giving me full creditAn0n3 wrote:To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.
Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.
No but yeah, Subtle started this with the Headminstration 2.0 thread, I just kept it going to the logical conclusion.
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Re: Headmin Election General
When does the second vote end? I've heard differing information.
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Re: Headmin Election General
If you go into the poll ingame it says it ends at 2014-10-31 23:59:59 server time.
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Re: Headmin Election General
For the admins' vote: if we use Preferential/Instant-Runoff (Australia style woop woop), sent to 1-2 coordinators + SoS for verification, we can have an anonymous list of preferences sent to the people taking the votes, then post the individual ballots but not the names attached, so each person can (in theory) recognize their own ballot and have our total listing verified by hostman. We would then, well, use an instant runoff process as mentioned. We can even run it concurrently with the vote for HG to be the coder Headmin so that we can simply eliminate the coder headmin from the listing because Instant Runoff is basically the best electoral system.
(2:53:35 AM) scaredofshadows: how about head of robutts
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Re: Headmin Election General
We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.
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Re: Headmin Election General
That'd be instant runoff. Completely and utterly negates all voting strategy other than "List my preferences in order".Ikarrus wrote:We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.
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Re: Headmin Election General
The problem with instant runoff is that only the second choices of the least desirable candidate are counted.
Lets say there are four candidates. A & B have similar stances (stance X), as do C & D (stance y)
Stance X is more popular with the electorate so first round of voting is thus:
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 22%
D - 18%
So A is in the lead after the first count but stance X is split between A and B so neither has a majority
D is eliminated but guess who they voted as second choice.
So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%
So the candidate which 60% of voters didn't want ends up being elected.
Lets say there are four candidates. A & B have similar stances (stance X), as do C & D (stance y)
Stance X is more popular with the electorate so first round of voting is thus:
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 22%
D - 18%
So A is in the lead after the first count but stance X is split between A and B so neither has a majority
D is eliminated but guess who they voted as second choice.
So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%
So the candidate which 60% of voters didn't want ends up being elected.
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Re: Headmin Election General
lol guys everyone knows the best system is proportional representation.
Anyways, admins have a thread to discuss how we'll vote in the secret admin forums.
Anyways, admins have a thread to discuss how we'll vote in the secret admin forums.
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Re: Headmin Election General
Your example is incorrect. C would actually be eliminated before ballot conclusion leading to a next step where the next preference of their vote would decide the ultimate conclusion and at the last 2 runner step A or B are likely to have a majority. *
Glorious compulsory vote would be optimal too. Don't vote don't play.
*rare equal number of votes scenario means a perfect 50 50 split could still happen
Glorious compulsory vote would be optimal too. Don't vote don't play.
*rare equal number of votes scenario means a perfect 50 50 split could still happen
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Re: Headmin Election General
Then clearly the solution is to simply hold a second runoff and get rid of B. Assuming everyone who voted for B has A as their second choice, you getMalkevin wrote: So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%
A - 60%
C - 40%
Which I think about matches up with what the electors wanted, really.
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Feedback is dumb and it doesn't matter
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Re: Headmin Election General
Why do you only have two preferences initially? Limited pencils due to poverty? Poor numeracy skills?
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Re: Headmin Election General
I never got around to posting the post clean votes of round 1:
In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
While this likely caught some false positives, any changes to the vote ranking from the pre-clean actually gets investigated to ensure legit votes are counted.
In this case, this did not actually change the ranking at all, as votes of new players, inactive players were evenly spread about. And there doesn't seem to be any suggestions someone tried to rig it. HG/ikky losing so votes was mainly from having admin's vote not counted.
No votes were removed, just excluded from the count. So sos can check all my numbers himself. (nor do I have write access to the game database.)
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+-------+-------------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-------------+
| 39 | AN0n3 |
| 38 | Bluespace |
| 31 | Ikarrus |
| 29 | Hornygranny |
| 19 | Pandarsenic |
| 10 | MisterStaub |
| 4 | Comrade Leo |
+-------+-------------+
While this likely caught some false positives, any changes to the vote ranking from the pre-clean actually gets investigated to ensure legit votes are counted.
In this case, this did not actually change the ranking at all, as votes of new players, inactive players were evenly spread about. And there doesn't seem to be any suggestions someone tried to rig it. HG/ikky losing so votes was mainly from having admin's vote not counted.
No votes were removed, just excluded from the count. So sos can check all my numbers himself. (nor do I have write access to the game database.)
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Re: Headmin Election General
When you say admin votes removed I assume you mean In Game Admins only right? Or does that include ALL admins?MrStonedOne wrote: In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
Whatever
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Re: Headmin Election General
Anyone on the admins.txt.
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Re: Headmin Election General
Update on this..?
Oldman Robustin wrote:It's an established meme that coders don't play this game.
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Re: Headmin Election General
Pre-clean:
Post-Clean:
scaredofshadows> yeah let's do another runoff between the two but it should only go until monday around 6pm EST
EDIT: actual sql used to calculate the results have been edited in
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mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
| 97 | Bluespace |
| 96 | AN0n3 |
| 73 | Ikarrus |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.12 sec)
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mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) left join (select pp.firstseen, pp.ckey, pp.lastadminrank from erro_player as pp) as p on (p.ckey = v.ckey) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 and p.firstseen < "2014-10-24" and p.lastadminrank = "Player" and p.ckey in (select ckey from erro_connection_log where datetime between "2014-07-24" and "2014-10-24" group by ckey having count(ckey) > 10) group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
| 78 | AN0n3 |
| 77 | Bluespace |
| 46 | Ikarrus |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.89 sec)
EDIT: actual sql used to calculate the results have been edited in
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Re: Headmin Election General
MMP is the best democratic system
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Re: Headmin Election General
17:20 <+oranges> MrStonedOne: are you able to expand on why ikkarus had so many
bogus votes?
17:20 < Ikarrus> admin votes
17:20 <%MrStonedOne> admin votes were excluded
bogus votes?
17:20 < Ikarrus> admin votes
17:20 <%MrStonedOne> admin votes were excluded
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Re: Headmin Election General
I asked many an idler to vote for me, no wonder so many votes disappeared.
AN0n3 one-upping me like a pro.
AN0n3 one-upping me like a pro.
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Re: Headmin Election General
Yeah this is a bit whacked. I just walked in the door and sat down to a bunch of people like "HAIL THE NEW HEADMIN" and there's only a single vote margin. That's not cool.
If it's alright with everyone I think we should do a third runoff vote just between Bluespace and myself. For all intents and purposes 78 vs 77 is just another tie.
If it's alright with everyone I think we should do a third runoff vote just between Bluespace and myself. For all intents and purposes 78 vs 77 is just another tie.
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Re: Headmin Election General
And that concludes the player vote for headmin.
Stay tuned for the results of the coder and admin votes, soon we will have our triumvirate.
Stay tuned for the results of the coder and admin votes, soon we will have our triumvirate.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.
It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.
Thank you.
It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.
Thank you.
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Re: Headmin Election General
this right here is why you deserve this positionAn0n3 wrote:I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.
It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.
Thank you.
you actually care about the players and what they think is right
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dezzmont wrote:sawrge has it right.
Connor wrote:miggles is correct though
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Re: Headmin Election General
How many abstain votes were there?
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Re: Headmin Election General
Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?
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Re: Headmin Election General
Check out this guy who hates murica and freedums.jyxpe wrote:Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?
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Re: Headmin Election General
You are the reason the e-terrorists win against this glorious G-d fearing nation.Violaceus wrote:>murica
>freedoms
Pick one, you silly.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I'll be updating the second OP with the results from the coder and admin votes as they become official.
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Re: Headmin Election General
I dunno I think tonto's gonna win the coder vote guys HG has some real competition
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Re: Headmin Election General
So surprise. Many shocking.QuartzCrystal wrote:IT WOULD APPEAR HORNYGRANNY HAS WON THE CODER VOTE!
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Though I did not vote for you, I'm happy with the result. Good luck with the new position!
Whatever
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Re: Headmin Election General
Triumvirate complete. Thanks for coming out everybody.QuartzCrystal wrote:THE ADMIN VOTE HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY HAVE VOTED FOR IKARRUS!
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and nobody was surprised about any of the results
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts
dezzmont wrote:sawrge has it right.
Connor wrote:miggles is correct though
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At least it happened.
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