The great security sprite debate, v3

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:32 pm #51654

Hello I will keep this simple, these are all roundstart images of roundstart gear for the security officer, warden, and HoS jobs.

Which do you prefer?

Current / Proposed

[Note, the HoS trenchcoat and beret are already in the game, but my PR will make them default and put the greatcoat/cap in the HoS' locker.]

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:03 pm #51751

Even if the default is changed I'll still manually be suiting up to the old gear anyway.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:20 pm #51759

The anon that made the corporate sprites is pretty great. The bottom of the warden coat looks wierd though, since you can see the outline/highlight of the legs through them, so it appears to be transparent.

Lumbermancer · Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:48 am

No. No no no.

I'm open for sprite detail changes, but no recolour.

Red is the colour of security. Red uniforms mean communism. Red goes faster. If you change this, you might as well take away assistants grey ju...oh...oh.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:01 am #51783

I want to mix them up.

I like the vest on the right, jumpsuit on the left.
Warden coat on the right, only if it had a red tint instead of a navy tint.
Almost nothing on the right-side HoS. Just looks 100% bad.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:03 am #51784

ok i actually like these new sprites gj

Peble · Post by **Peble** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:26 am #51788

neutral on the sec officer and head of security but the proposed warden looks great

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:36 am #51790

Warden looks a bit wonky, yeah

Big ups for corporate security alltogether though

Plasma_Panda · Post by **Plasma_Panda** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:40 am #51791

please PLEASE add the warden outfit. can't say I like the others as much however. really gives a serious vibe to the job.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:42 am #51792

As I said on IRC.

I dislike grey shirt Security Officers, but I like the red sleeved variants you made.

I dislike the blue Warden as it clashes with Security's primary colours and looks more like someone wearing a rain coat.

I like the HoS uniform, not to mention the default uniform is inside his locker and that what you've presented is essentially having the HoS start with his alt uniform on.

I'm going to vote, however, for the current tactical sprites since you've made plans to revert to the grey sleeved officers uniform and your still keeping the blue Warden uniform.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:47 am #51796

lumipharon wrote:The anon that made the corporate sprites is pretty great. The bottom of the warden coat looks wierd though, since you can see the outline/highlight of the legs through them, so it appears to be transparent.

It's meant to be open at the bottom

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:06 am #51801

Not steelpoint, the guy who wanted to keep the jensen jumpsuit, and is now complaining that the warden is too blue for security even though the warden has more red on him now than the HoS ever did with his old jensen cosplay

Steelpoint's idea of security is the higher rank you get, the more black you get, which is awful considering the warden never had any black on him, just the HoS

iyaerP · Post by **iyaerP** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:09 am #51802

Sec is Red, not grey, blue and white.

RG4 · Post by **RG4** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:33 am #51810

I want AUSOP's HoS formals back. I like them, bring them back.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:34 am #51812

Wot? Ausops never made any HoS formals

The only ones I know of are the parade-ish ones (male and female), and the old HoS jumpsuit that ausops never touched

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:46 am #51856

Just to bring this back to the front. While I will prefer ausops (tacticle) sprites, I am prepared to compromise with the red sleeves sprites.

However, I dislike the grey badge sprites in the OP that are being used instead, and I dislike the Wardens raincoat sprites.

I don't like the idea of making Security the new "grey shirts".

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:56 am #51860

Security should be defined by their gear, not an arbitrary department color for the sake of tradition you've already ruined by adding black armor instead of grey and making their jumpsuits blood-red instead of just red like they used to be.

Corporate security with dress shirts and ties makes lot more sense in this universe anyway, it's not overly aggressive and not goon-tier security officers in brown sneakers.

EDIT: photo evidence security officers will still be identifyable even with grey shirts:

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:21 am #51863

I like the current officer/warden but the proposed HoS is streaks ahead of the other.

Peble · Post by **Peble** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:41 am #51875

I like blue warden a lot but especially his coat. What he was wearing before, the red... thing with the armor, made him seem entirely too mobile, like another one of the security officers.

He's not chasing people around the station, he's sitting in his chair telling people to settle down and putting his feet up on his desk

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:21 am #51881

cedarbridge wrote:Even if the default is changed I'll still manually be suiting up to the old gear anyway.

This.

Officer looks like powergaming assistant vigilante.

Warden looks like a nazi, which is what HoS should look like.

HoS gear I'd like as an option.

If you have to add this, please put it into lockers for people who want it. Don't make people start with it at least.

Post by **oranges** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:28 am #51884

You managed to invert the greytide on it's head!

Random Players · Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:33 am

Corp Sec needs more red. Too grey at the moment, especially the officer. Maybe red pants at least?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:35 am #51889

Should mention the PR was merged, this is what Sec Officers will look like.

Also, we came up with a great idea to allow the Head of Security to select what security sprite style Officers will spawn in, so if you want to look like Old Sec Officers, or whatever you can.

But yeah. Fin.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:39 am #51890

I'm going to repeat what I said when I first saw those sprites.

It looks like a sweater.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:51 am #51894

All the proposed sprites are miles ahead of what we currently have. Except maybe the HoS, but that's fine if the old outfit still remains an option.

Steelpoint wrote:Should mention the PR was merged, this is what Sec Officers will look like.

I retract my last statement. That looks really tacky. What was wrong with the grey sleeves?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:19 am

Wanted more red on the sprite so it was more clearly a security officer to people used to their currently-red appearance.

Post by **lumipharon** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:10 am #51925

Honestly it doesn't matter if they're not red. They still have a distinctive red beret (only the mime has something similar),and really it's only important that security can be clearly distinguished from other crewmen, which is true with or without the blood sleeves. The red sleeves look seriously ugly and out of place. It's literally a greyish shirt, with just randomly red sleeves. I wouldn't be caught dead wearing something so awful in real life.

I hope people will see how bad it is ingame, and get it fixed asap, the rest of the sprites are great.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:41 am #51931

Steelpoint wrote:Should mention the PR was merged, this is what Sec Officers will look like.

Also, we came up with a great idea to allow the Head of Security to select what security sprite style Officers will spawn in, so if you want to look like Old Sec Officers, or whatever you can.

But yeah. Fin.

That's really, really bad. With the red sleeves you can't even tell he's wearing a tie, it looks like he has a red shirt under the armor. And why can't we replace the checkerboard armor with this one?

It would give a much better paramilitary look

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:45 am #51933

And place a couple of these https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6446
in the sec clothes locker

Lumbermancer · Post by **Lumbermancer** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:24 pm #51955

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Even if the default is changed I'll still manually be suiting up to the old gear anyway.
This.

Officer looks like powergaming assistant vigilante.

Warden looks like a nazi, which is what HoS should look like.

HoS gear I'd like as an option.

If you have to add this, please put it into lockers for people who want it. Don't make people start with it at least.

But then it will be a god damn circus, where everyone wears whatever they like. Might as well rename Brig to Theatre while you are it.

Don't forget what "Uniform" means, yep, uniform. Uniformity. I'd rather see everyone wear that awful tacky grey outfit, than let people have a choice (I take my role playan very seriously); the Winter Coat is horrible already, but it's an event so who cares.

But the bottom line is, red or bust. Not red sleeves, red jumpsuit.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:27 pm #51956

The red sleeved sprites were the compromise sprites reached, they are amalgamations of both security sprites options.

If the suggestion I made on another thread (https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2300) is ever implemented, than paprika can more freely alter his sprites to his own desires.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:48 pm #51957

Eh i prefer the old red sprites. Grey ones dont really match the red theme of the Sec force. and no, a red beret that most of the Sec force will never wear is not enough.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:04 pm #51963

An idea I just had was to use the greyshirt ausops shirts but recolor them to be a dull red. Then the tie could be any color we wanted, really.

Alex Crimson wrote:Eh i prefer the old red sprites. Grey ones dont really match the red theme of the Sec force. and no, a red beret that most of the Sec force will never wear is not enough.

The beret will be made armored and the helmet will be removed, so it's either the beret, a softcap, or nothing.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:36 pm #51968

Not entirely tru, helmets are still in the armory.

Anyway, I'll create a grey sleeves/red sleeves poll after a week on the server or much more likely give them some reddish shirts and black ties.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:15 pm #51993

We couldn't at least keep the vest sprite?

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:26 pm #52015

Grazyn wrote: That's really, really bad. With the red sleeves you can't even tell he's wearing a tie, it looks like he has a red shirt under the armor. And why can't we replace the checkerboard armor with this one?
It would give a much better paramilitary look

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:12 am #52055

Reimoo wrote:We couldn't at least keep the vest sprite?

Literally the best part of the new sprite and it didn't stay. Disappointed.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:23 am #52057

No I'm pretty sure that vest sprite is the default sprite, its just that everyone is jumbling around armour sprites when looking at comparisons so its hard to tell which is standard issue and which is not.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:28 am #52065

That's mostly your fault, I wanted to move the old tactical gear to the armory and you constantly wanted to switch it back even though the new armor looked way better for officers

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:53 am #52099

Not about the sprites directly, but uh, last round I started as the Engi officer with a bowman headset, and I think the bowman headset didn't have security channel on it, only Engineering and the standard encryption.

Another round I started as the Supply officer and it's not got Sec on it either.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:06 am #52101

Being fixed

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:46 am #52104

Steelpoint wrote:No I'm pretty sure that vest sprite is the default sprite, its just that everyone is jumbling around armour sprites when looking at comparisons so its hard to tell which is standard issue and which is not.

You mean that the vest is going to replace the checkerboard armor? Because it wasn't very clear when you posted that image under "This is what security is gonna look like"

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:48 am #52105

It was, but it got changed.

As I said, there's been a lot of back and fourth recently.

peoplearestrange · Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:29 am

Deleting thread as requested by OP.

Which security style do you prefer?