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Turn Sybil-2 into a heavy roleplay server?

Yes. I strongly support this idea and believe sybil-2 should be a heavy role-play server
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No. I dont believe Sybil-2 should be turned into a Heavy role-play server.
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Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Astriker » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:58 pm #506956

Hello /tg/ players! I have an idea that would give variety to servers that run on the /tg/ codebase. I believe that the unused server, Sybil-2 should be turned into a heavy role-play server. The reason that I think this should happen is because the current meta on TG is no roleplay. And adding the variety of a heavy roleplay server would allow the people that enjoy heavy roleplay and the TG codebase to finally have the 2 combined in an amazing server. I think this suggestion should be considered because the Sybil-2 server is unused. If this ends up happening. there would need to be a new ruleset for the new server. some ideas for the new rules:
    -No greytiding :igloves:
    -Restricted knowledge of things your character usually wouldn't know about(think about a real life setting). where whatever job you play will almost have the knowledge of the occupation(knowledge of other occupations could be learned by having someone who knows it teach you). EX: out of character you may know how to hack a door. but as a medical doctor you wouldn't know that. unless you read a book about it (like the ones found in maint)
    -Metashield, items that your character usually wouldent know about arent known by your character

Some examples of roleplay behavior that happen on normal /tg/ but wouldent be on a heavy roleplay server.
    -No value for life. Examples: suiciding for no reason. going out into space to retrieve the insulated gloves the security threw out.
    -Omnipotence. knowing everything about anything in the game. a chemist shouldn't know how to set up a Tesla engine and hack doors. This opens up an opportunity for textbooks to be useful
    -Mary sues. Characters with no flaws. on /tg/ no characters have flaws.
    -Unlimited pain tolerance. torture is an unreliable method because /tg/ characters don't feel pain. in a role-play setting your character should feel pain. As well as surgery without anesthetic.
    -Insta recovery. just got shot in the face 5 times then sucked into space? you get a defib and 3 brute patches. and you walk off like nothing happened. this is obviously not very good role play behavior. med bay has a recovery room for a reason.
    -No Fear. this goes along with unlimited pain tolerance. people should fear pain. a security threatening you at gunpoint dosent mean you should run away
    -Not needing to be comfortable. walking around in a gas-mask and fire-suit isn't comfortable. no reasonable spaceman would run around with a fire-suit and gas-mask on. same with hard-suits and space suits.
    -Hygiene not being a needed thing. got blood all over yourself from murdering that assistant? you should have to clean it off.
The /tg/code-base has so much potential for role-play. everything is in there for it. its just not used.



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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Kolinko » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:04 am #506959

I agree, I like roleplay and I like the tg codebase.

Sybil-2 as a roleplay server should also gets its own standalone name.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:45 am #506965

what does heavy roleplay mean

are you gonna add fat sprites back in to sybil 2 and we gotta play the role of a FAT FUCK?
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby TrumpetPlaya » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:47 am #506966

I'd certainly play on it
i like this because even if only around 15 people decide to play on it, that's certainly good enough for high rp

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby MisterPerson » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:32 am #507179

This isn't a codebase development idea, it's a server-related idea. I'm gonna move this to policy discussion where it belongs.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby terranaut » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:32 am #507191

fuck HRP

MRP would be nice though
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby wesoda25 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:52 am #507195

Ok but for the whole hygiene/blood thing, sometimes being bloody is part of a gimmick (serial killer or some shit). Getting bombed by an annoying sprite kinda ruins that.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby teepeepee » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:19 am #507199

wesoda25 wrote:Ok but for the whole hygiene/blood thing, sometimes being bloody is part of a gimmick (serial killer or some shit). Getting bombed by an annoying sprite kinda ruins that.

don't you think serial killers get stinky after so much murderizing?

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby confused rock » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:21 am #507200

creating a roleplay server implies we shouldn't roleplay on the other ones.
we have a roleplay server already, it's called baystation.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby cacogen » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:42 am #507203

No, but does anyone remember TLE's Sigyn? It was basically an anything goes server where players had to fend for themselves without admin intervention (though TLE oversaw things to weed out people who were being too disruptive). You could do what you wanted and everything was punished IC. Beardbeard as captain executed a cargo tech for ordering a crate because he was saving up for a hat crate. Some officer arrested me and threw me in the permabrig for no reason. This makes it sound like a terrible idea, but I think it's actually a fun idea. Better than HRP anyway.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Dax Dupont » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:48 pm #507245

This would also require a whole new rule set for one server, separate headmin policies and probably dedicated admins which was excusable for TGMC but I am not sure you can do that for a HRP server.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Shaps-cloud » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:29 pm #507250

stock tgcode wouldn't work with heavy roleplay
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Timonk » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:49 pm #507290

What if we instead make it into an events server since we currently don't really have one that isn't used

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby wesoda25 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:06 pm #507400

cacogen wrote:No, but does anyone remember TLE's Sigyn? It was basically an anything goes server where players had to fend for themselves without admin intervention (though TLE oversaw things to weed out people who were being too disruptive). You could do what you wanted and everything was punished IC. Beardbeard as captain executed a cargo tech for ordering a crate because he was saving up for a hat crate. Some officer arrested me and threw me in the permabrig for no reason. This makes it sound like a terrible idea, but I think it's actually a fun idea. Better than HRP anyway.

I think lifeweb does that. But they have more mechanics for punishing players icly, like i think the head of church or something can designate someone for murder (don’t quote me i dont play). Its a cool idea.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Farquaar » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:11 pm #507416

Better plan:
    - Make Bagil a low RP server
    - Encourage med RP on all other servers

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby teepeepee » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:21 pm #507417

Farquaar wrote:Make Bagil a low RP server

done
Encourage med RP on all other servers

probably won't happen

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby wesoda25 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:43 pm #507426

Farquaar wrote:Better plan:
    - Make Bagil a low RP server
    - Encourage med RP on all other servers

Lmao all our servers are low rp, including sybil.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby lmwevil » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:07 pm #507429

it will never happen, go to another codebase if you want HRP, they are better setup in pretty much every single aspect for it. we're setup as a sperg containment chamber

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:25 am #507443

Go play on another server for HRP. The logistics of this is basically managing an whole new community. New admins, because not all of the current admins would be willing to moderate a HRP server. The ridiculous amount of rules and policies would require a new board for it. The codebase isn’t even designed for this. Not something that i can see happening in the foreseeable future, or ever.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby confused rock » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:07 pm #507550

BeeSting12 wrote:Go play on another server for HRP. The logistics of this is basically managing an whole new community. New admins, because not all of the current admins would be willing to moderate a HRP server. The ridiculous amount of rules and policies would require a new board for it. The codebase isn’t even designed for this. Not something that i can see happening in the foreseeable future, or ever.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby NecromancerAnne » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:05 pm #507564

Iunno, could be fun. I wouldn't mind adminning it.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby ATHATH » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:03 pm #507582

Aren't some coders trying to move us towards MRP? What if we only applied the MRP PRs to a single server, so that the LRP servers can serve as a "containment zone" for us filthy greytiders? That way, you wouldn't need to make PRs specifically designed to piss us LRPers off enough to make us leave.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Shadowflame909 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:11 pm #507584

Trying to move the server to MRP with code when the rules aren't MRP is basically trying to code rules.

Those coders are going to get their self-esteem lowered real quick with all the hate going there way.

It's a silly idea to me. And everyone realizes it, they just rationalize it in a different way.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby LaKiller8 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:51 am #507642

This is more difficult than it sounds. Trying to make a MRP/HRP server that has /tg/ in the name even more than us may take years.
DMCA started as a /tg/ meme server and was almost ran into the ground with moth memes and such, but over time we've been trying to move towards MRP. Reputation is one thing you cannot easily get rid of, and right now 99% of the SS13 community associates /tg/ with LRP, so if you suddenly were to make a MRP/HRP server, getting the players to treat it like one won't ever happen 100%. First impressions are what shapes how others see your server, and if you leave a bad or unwanted one, and even if things are very different a year or two later, people will still treat it like it was when they tried it.

The best bet would be to give it an entirely different name, remove all /tg/ references, and make a large, thick, black line on the main website clearly separating the 6 LRP /tg/ servers from the rest of the projects.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby TheMythicGhost » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:37 am #507647

As a person that had moderated a baycode HRP server for a few years, this is not something you would ever want to moderate.
The sheer level of rules that have to be enforced, not to mention the roleplaying standards that would continuously need to be checked with a focus on real-time observation is more than I could ever expect from any admin that has administrated a No/Low Roleplaying Server for as long as they have on here. The work in dealing with players increases almost tenfold, as does log diving for any investigation reading a breach of rules or roleplaying standards.

If we were to make any of the servers have a higher roleplaying standard, you would have to slowly ramp the standards up to acclimate the existing playerbase to the change.
This sort of dripfeed method ensures that you steadily build a population on said server that is willing to accept higher and higher standards of roleplay, while having the freedom to choose other servers on TG with less restrictions. Also, via my recommendation, I suggest having a MRP server more than HRP. MRP allows for a bit of lax enforcing on things like hacking doors, or attacking antagonists back, but still keeps the standards of metashielding and the like in place (see servers like how OracleStation was for things like this). The workload doesn't increase too much with MRP from the current workload because there aren't actually all that many more standards that would need enforced to move our current style of play up to it.

TL;DR HRP is a bad idea for both the playerbase and administration, MRP is a good middle ground between our current playstyle and desired(?) playstyle.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Shadowflame909 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:16 pm #507656

All in all. It'd be the choice of the headmins. Not the maintainers.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby ThanatosRa » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 am #507712

MRP is the highest we should go. And this is coming from a roleplayer. Why? Its in the culture and in the game to be a bunch of autistic lunatics in space. That's what SS13 IS. It'd be out of character and not in the spirit if the game to rein that in too much.
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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby J Moldy » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 am #508040

I'd be interested in it.

I'd definitely be willing to admin it. It's just that this is going to have to require a somewhat different mindset while doing it. I've been pretty cool with, and adminned on high, medium, low, and no-RP servers and what's most striking is that the thing that most people don't really like about HRP is often less the ruleset than it is the players on higher RP settings tending to be very thin-skinned about what they think should happen to them, that there's some correlation between "roleplay enforcement" and "fairness". There doesn't need to be. TGstation tends towards breeding and attracting players who're a lot tougher and more willing to ride things out than most, who really do understand that the game isn't going to treat them fairly, and I'd like to see what "heavy roleplay" for them looks like.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Skillywatt » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:19 pm #508090

combining some of the ideas here of "easing" people into it while testing the waters and seeing what, exactly, the denizens of tgstation consider "MRP", maybe have MRP days on certain servers.

Like every saturday is MRP day on sybil-2 or something like that, where MRP is encouraged but not necessarily enforced outside of normal tgpolicy except for perhaps a more liberal application of rule 1/0.

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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Cobby » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:57 am #508199

ATHATH wrote:Aren't some coders trying to move us towards MRP?


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Re: Make Sybil-2 A heavy roleplay server

Postby Shadowflame909 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:12 am #508202

This isn't MRP though

it's borderline no rp
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