Syndicate ghost roles, what can they do if their base is destroyed?

[NamelessFairy]

This applies to both the comms agent base in space and the Lavaland syndicate base. Usually base destructions will result in the deaths of all the Syndicate agents on board and the destruction on the ghost role spawners to prevent new ones spawning, however this is not always the case and both explosion survivors and ghosts who spawn after the explosion are left without a real purpose. This usually results in very well armed syndicate agents heading to the station to wreak havoc.

The main issue I have with this is that its mostly up to admin discretion as to what lavaland syndicate agents can and can’t do once they’ve lost their initial purpose. The situation after the base is destroyed will vary from case to case so admin discretion will always be required for more outlandish situations but bases being destroyed and survival of the destruction is a common enough occurrence that people should have some clear examples of what they’re allowed to do depending on what situation they’ve been put into.

The main situations that, in my opinion need a ruling on are as follows:

If a syndicate agent survives and witnesses a station crewmember destroy the base how far can they go to get revenge? (Nothing? Hunt down and kill the bomber(s)? Murderbone on the station? Etc)

If a syndicate agents spawns into an already destroyed base or a syndicate agent survives but does not witness the destruction can they assume the station crew were responsible and still attempt revenge? Or should they not be able to act under the assumption that the station crew attacked them, and if this is the case what can they do instead?

If the base is destroyed by a non-station crew entity such as megafauna or a syndicate agent caused accident, what are agents allowed to do? Act as antagonists and still go to the station? If not do they have any options other than surviving Lavaland?

Getting a well accepted ruling on these situations and potentially more that might come up in the thread should both make it easier for players to know if they’re in the right and for admins to handle situations that involve lavaland syndicate.

[wesoda25]

I think it should be like ash walkers. If your base is destroyed, you can go antagonize the crew.

[cacogen]

Colonise the station. The isolationism built into these roles ruins the potential of them and the problem of attacking the station can be solved with other means.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

You probably shouldn't even be able to spawn once the base is destroyed to be honest.

[JusticeGoat]

If miners attack the base i would be ok with them counter attacking the mining area and holding that making the station suffer from material shortage.

[Ayy Lemoh]

If miners attack the base i would be ok with them counter attacking the mining area and holding that making the station suffer from material shortage.

Isn't that how ashwalkers are (without admin interference) supposed to handle attacking the crew? Just make it work like that then.

[SkeletalElite]

If miners attack the base i would be ok with them counter attacking the mining area and holding that making the station suffer from material shortage.

Isn't that how ashwalkers are (without admin interference) supposed to handle attacking the crew? Just make it work like that then.

It used to be but I believe when they were given policy config it was changed and now they can invade the station if htey want as long as they dont do mass destructive things like bombs/SM delam

[Cobby]

The base is an fob to collect intel covertly it doesn’t make sense for someone to murderbone here in any situation

As long as you try to collect intel (maybe steal viro materials or something) and acting in good faith to you role flavortext I see no issue in going to the station should you live through it

[RaveRadbury]

The base is an fob to collect intel covertly it doesn’t make sense for someone to murderbone here in any situation

Clarification request: What's your opinion then of the entire security team (including HoS and Det, not including the Warden) performing a raid on the base, with little provocation (let's assume minor comms shenanigans)?

[thehogshotgun]

The base is an fob to collect intel covertly it doesn’t make sense for someone to murderbone here in any situation

Im sorry are they not given guns? Are Syndies not psychopaths? I don't see what's stopping them or why, it's not like they will be able to return to the syndicate

[Cobby]

The base is an fob to collect intel covertly it doesn’t make sense for someone to murderbone here in any situation

Im sorry are they not given guns? Are Syndies not psychopaths? I don't see what's stopping them or why, it's not like they will be able to return to the syndicate

For defense of the base, the equipment isn’t cheap. The syndicate are not psychopaths they just tend to hire idiots who slaughter the station instead of do what they were suppose to do.

The base is an fob to collect intel covertly it doesn’t make sense for someone to murderbone here in any situation

Clarification request: What's your opinion then of the entire security team (including HoS and Det, not including the Warden) performing a raid on the base, with little provocation (let's assume minor comms shenanigans)?

Communication subterfuge, especially getting people killed, is perfectly fine to trash (understanding in the bg they are ghost roles). I won’t ever be upset if you wanna take them in though.

[Coconutwarrior97]

If a syndicate sees their base destroyed by the crew they can react by attacking the station freely. Otherwise they should just find a way to survive on lavaland.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Yes.
Domitius: Yes.
Naloac: Yes.