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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Oldman Robustin » #294786

Bottom post of the previous page:

BeeSting12 wrote:It means that the average round is a lot longer that 30 minutes, which, if you listen to everyone else in the thread, would have you believe because they seem to think the shuttle is called at 20 minutes on red alert the minute an antagonist is confirmed. edit: I misunderstood some of the data but my point still stands.
Basically, sorry about the ugly formatting. There's also virtually no "OMG 15m rounds!", only nuke had rounds that went under 30 minutes.

Of course this is a small sample, 150 rounds is still more info than what some forum nerd got from the 2 rounds he's played in the same period of time.

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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by ohnopigeons » #294787

The rounds probably get a lot shorter at peak server pops which is where impressions like OP's come from, is there a way to correlate round length with their respective timestamps/timestamp histogram buckets?
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20 minute minimum
10 minute shuttle ETA
3 minute docking time
2 minute travelling time
1 minute? round-end griefing

36 minutes is your typical "Call shuttle as soon as possible" round-length
Rounds that are shorter than 30 minutes with the shuttle are more-or-less impossible given the hard 20 minute limit.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

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Oldman Robustin wrote: Atlanta plz have your stat page do this for all rounds
Lemme get back to you on this. I can work something up.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Oldman Robustin » #294796

Atlanta will be able to do it better, but yea it should be easyish since it records the time of day.

This is too small for it to be worthwhile breaking it down to time of day when 150 rounds across 2 servers is basically 3 days.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Atlanta-Ned » #295035

The accuracy on this is dubious (only five IAA rounds?) but here's the duration information I can find, starting on Jan. 1 of this year.
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Beautiful data at long last
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

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Is that average mean or median?
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Screemonster wrote:Is that average mean or median?
It's mysql's avg() function, so it should be a straight average.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Steelpoint » #295090

Yeah that stat page really puts to bed the idea that the shuttle is being called at 22 minutes on the dot.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Oldman Robustin » #295101

5 IAA rounds sounds about right since its an admin-only mode which basically says "Hey admins HOPE UR READY TO ENFORCE (SUPER VAGUE) RULES AGAINST SOLO ANTAGS (THAT HAVE SYNDICATE UPLINKS)!!!"
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Post by Qbopper » #295222

it's probably more down to "I forgot IA existed" than "I don't want to force next round to IA for whatever reason"
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by oranges » #295254

WHERE THE FUCKING QUARTILES AND STD DEVIATION REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Oranges wrote:WHERE THE FUCKING QUARTILES AND STD DEVIATION REEEEEEEEEEEEE
honestly i have to agree with the orange this is basic data shit tbqh fam
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I'm sure those deets will come but its still leagues better than the first 3 pages of anecdotes pulled from assorted asses.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Bombadil » #296610

Why don't we make cult just a single roundtype? It spawns either clock or blood or both and gets reduced to lower and a higher chance of extended rounds?
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Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
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Post by TheColdTurtle » #296644

Because extended is actually the best gamemode sometimes, if the idiots here dont ruin the round immediatley for another chance at antag status
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The extended announcement was a mistake. Everyone sees it as a ticket to grief so they can get another antagonist roll.
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I believe it's not so much the reroll, but rather them thinking they can commit as much crime as they'd like to and not be killed because there's no antagonists and thus tey can't be treated as one*

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D&B wrote:I believe it's not so much the reroll, but rather them thinking they can commit as much crime as they'd like to and not be killed because there's no antagonists and thus tey can't be treated as one*

*Unless I'm HoS or Sec then they get to discover how many door slams you can take without dropping into crit.
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cedarbridge wrote:
D&B wrote:I believe it's not so much the reroll, but rather them thinking they can commit as much crime as they'd like to and not be killed because there's no antagonists and thus tey can't be treated as one*

*Unless I'm HoS or Sec then they get to discover how many door slams you can take without dropping into crit.
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

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Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
Because extended can result in awesome rounds that go for 1-3 hours as the crew works torwards various goals and shieeeet. People actually learn their jobs and if admins actually do an event that isn't kill everyone it can be rather fun
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Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
Because extended can result in awesome rounds that go for 1-3 hours as the crew works torwards various goals and shieeeet. People actually learn their jobs and if admins actually do an event that isn't kill everyone it can be rather fun
Awesome in theory, but in practice where you build up effort for absolutely nothing and everybody knows their job, awful, boring and tedious as fuck. If you want to play this game to learn, please make a private server or endure the opposition like you should as it is a normal (and vital) part of the game
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Togopal » #296775

As far as admin events go, I'd love love if admins hosted interesting and creative events every round, and I've seen fun things happen, but admins can only come up with so many unique ideas before its either "recycle what we did", "force a gamemode" or "make the server sit through this tedious tutorial of a round whereas 95% of the server already knows what they're doing". I love showing the ropes to new people, but it's better in secret!
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

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Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
Because extended can result in awesome rounds that go for 1-3 hours as the crew works torwards various goals and shieeeet. People actually learn their jobs and if admins actually do an event that isn't kill everyone it can be rather fun
Awesome in theory, but in practice where you build up effort for absolutely nothing and everybody knows their job, awful, boring and tedious as fuck. If you want to play this game to learn, please make a private server or endure the opposition like you should as it is a normal (and vital) part of the game
Some of the best rounds i've had are extended-ish where all the traitors perished.


I've been playing since 2013 or 2014 iirc. I've been really enjoying Sybil where my job isnt fucked in 5 minutes because a traitor bombed medbay and no one will repair it
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

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Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
Because extended can result in awesome rounds that go for 1-3 hours as the crew works torwards various goals and shieeeet. People actually learn their jobs and if admins actually do an event that isn't kill everyone it can be rather fun
Awesome in theory, but in practice where you build up effort for absolutely nothing and everybody knows their job, awful, boring and tedious as fuck. If you want to play this game to learn, please make a private server or endure the opposition like you should as it is a normal (and vital) part of the game
Some of the best rounds i've had are extended-ish where all the traitors perished.


I've been playing since 2013 or 2014 iirc. I've been really enjoying Sybil where my job isnt fucked in 5 minutes because a traitor bombed medbay and no one will repair it
Interesting, can you please clarify what happened during these rounds that made them so enjoyable?
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Post by Bombadil » #296838

Created xeno human hybrids and began a xeno breedibg program in which i killed them via liberal use of staff of storms and xray lasers.

Maxed research completely by myself. Upgraded the rd and myself into xeno hybrids.

Lots of it has to do with completing research and making the station actually not a gaping void split in half by bombs.
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Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Togopal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:...and a higher chance of extended rounds?
For what purpose
Because extended can result in awesome rounds that go for 1-3 hours as the crew works torwards various goals and shieeeet. People actually learn their jobs and if admins actually do an event that isn't kill everyone it can be rather fun
Awesome in theory, but in practice where you build up effort for absolutely nothing and everybody knows their job, awful, boring and tedious as fuck. If you want to play this game to learn, please make a private server or endure the opposition like you should as it is a normal (and vital) part of the game
Some of the best rounds i've had are extended-ish where all the traitors perished.


I've been playing since 2013 or 2014 iirc. I've been really enjoying Sybil where my job isnt fucked in 5 minutes because a traitor bombed medbay and no one will repair it
Interesting, can you please clarify what happened during these rounds that made them so enjoyable?
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Re: Shuttle Calls shouldn't be because the game happened

Post by Lazengann » #298915

Togopal wrote:Interesting, can you please clarify what happened during these rounds that made them so enjoyable?
Not him, but we had a fun one earlier where everyone cooperated and made a maid cafe in the vacant office. It had a quantum pad behind the counter for the staff to warp back to the kitchen for food and drink preparation, a pianist providing music and everything was wood.

Naturally, it was ruined by non-antags when the bartender(who never mixed a drink, only put beer on the counter and walked off) released plasma inside to set it on fire because he was upset the cafe was using the booze that he wasn't, and when the geneticist started smashing everything and exposing the area to space because they're a hulk and there were no admins on

But hey it was a cool bit of roleplaying
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