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Title.They were removed. They still should be removed. They are still overpowered. Also, who even asked for them?
btw arm enabled them
yes, this is an i ded.
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Title.literally one of the few times that locking a thread isn't muh oppressive adminbus being literally worse than north koreaCosmicScientist wrote:This thread has gone to shit and shouldn't continue.
Totally untrue. Eggborg was coded when secborgs were removed to mock the anti-siliconers, being a completely useless module that literally dispenses hugs and cookies and soft assurances that life is good. The hugbox module. Eventually it was tweaked into being decent at passive anti-harm, but the original design was for just a useless hugbox module.Kor wrote:We tried "secborg but we nerf it over and over" that is what eggborg is.
Hi gatekeeper of design and intent, please advise us what regdate is required to have a valid opinion ITToranges wrote: it's funny to see a player who joined in 2013 tell someone who has been around since forever what the games "intended dynamic" is
Limey wrote:its too late.
As has been said in this thread multiple times, PRs to make peacekeepers not a joke or to make sec borgs lessened get insta-closed because of the general attitude surrounding secborgsQbopper wrote:just fix peacekeeper borgs and make them actually capable of stopping harm while not making them robot security officers
And because oranges shoots down almost all changes to them. I would accept secborgs being removed in a second if PK borgs could actually do their job better than the standard module.Nilons wrote:As has been said in this thread multiple times, PRs to make peacekeepers not a joke or to make sec borgs lessened get insta-closed because of the general attitude surrounding secborgsQbopper wrote:just fix peacekeeper borgs and make them actually capable of stopping harm while not making them robot security officers
i know that but the solution is to tell the maintainers closing them to man eat a dongNilons wrote:As has been said in this thread multiple times, PRs to make peacekeepers not a joke or to make sec borgs lessened get insta-closed because of the general attitude surrounding secborgsQbopper wrote:just fix peacekeeper borgs and make them actually capable of stopping harm while not making them robot security officers
Limey wrote:its too late.
Limey wrote:its too late.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: The best shitpost youll ever be responsible for will be your obituary.
Quality debate brought to you by ColonicAcid wrote:imagine having this little empathy
do you have autism bud? does your brain not see these people as humans? are they just a faceless statistic to you?
Luke Cox wrote:After the recent test, secborgs have been removed. Many people saw them as OP and game-breaking, but I feel like their removal has left a void that should be filled. Here's my proposal: the Peacekeeper borg. Unlike the secborg that was made to do security's job, this borg is designed strictly with conflict prevention and resolution in mind. As such, it has absolutely no hard stuns or restraints.
Items includeAppearance: Lots of round shapes, padded chaises. No points or corners. Light pink and/or soft blue colors.
- Energy bola launcher - For slowing down harmful individuals so that their targets can escape
- Flash - To make people drop their weapons. Blinds when hacked.
- Sedative injector - For when people get a little too unruly. Injects a non-harmful dose of a chemical that makes the subject dizzy and off-balance. Injects chloral or another toxin when hacked.
- Energy barrier - Deploys a shield wall where the borg is standing in order to block energy projectile fire only. Electrocutes on contact when hacked.
- Cookie dispenser - Sometimes people just need something to brighten their day. Poisoned when hacked.
- HARM ALARM! - Functions like the ling's shriek, but weaker. Notifies the AI when used. Deafens when hacked.
PR is up here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17355
The fact that it was nerfed to joke status is sad. Harm prevention tools are neat, require creativity, and cant really be used to validhunt as effectively, I hope the PK borg can be returned to that level.PKPenguin321 wrote:The guy who originally came up with peacekeeper borgs did so genuinely, not to mock or taunt ex-secborg players, for the record.Luke Cox wrote:After the recent test, secborgs have been removed. Many people saw them as OP and game-breaking, but I feel like their removal has left a void that should be filled. Here's my proposal: the Peacekeeper borg. Unlike the secborg that was made to do security's job, this borg is designed strictly with conflict prevention and resolution in mind. As such, it has absolutely no hard stuns or restraints.
Items includeAppearance: Lots of round shapes, padded chaises. No points or corners. Light pink and/or soft blue colors.
- Energy bola launcher - For slowing down harmful individuals so that their targets can escape
- Flash - To make people drop their weapons. Blinds when hacked.
- Sedative injector - For when people get a little too unruly. Injects a non-harmful dose of a chemical that makes the subject dizzy and off-balance. Injects chloral or another toxin when hacked.
- Energy barrier - Deploys a shield wall where the borg is standing in order to block energy projectile fire only. Electrocutes on contact when hacked.
- Cookie dispenser - Sometimes people just need something to brighten their day. Poisoned when hacked.
- HARM ALARM! - Functions like the ling's shriek, but weaker. Notifies the AI when used. Deafens when hacked.
PR is up here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17355
Ah the can't beat it while naked argument has grown to involve facing it in a vast open shooting range.oranges wrote:dimentio would not face me in a 1v1 with him as a grey shirt and me as a secborg in the thunderdome
This, you literally can't find an arena that favors the secborg more than a big empty room with no cover and no exit.Incomptinence wrote:Ah the can't beat it while naked argument has grown to involve facing it in a vast open shooting range.oranges wrote:dimentio would not face me in a 1v1 with him as a grey shirt and me as a secborg in the thunderdome
DEEPLY insightful I am completely swayed now let's rig the bridge to self destruct if I knock on a window.
A straight 1 tile wide hallwayShadowDimentio wrote:This, you literally can't find an arena that favors the secborg more than a big empty room with no cover and no exit.Incomptinence wrote:Ah the can't beat it while naked argument has grown to involve facing it in a vast open shooting range.oranges wrote:dimentio would not face me in a 1v1 with him as a grey shirt and me as a secborg in the thunderdome
DEEPLY insightful I am completely swayed now let's rig the bridge to self destruct if I knock on a window.
The same people who bitch about validhunting from secborgs are the same people who bitch about validhunting from the AI, non-secborg borgs, the clown's PDA and a laundry list of other ided bullshit. People get sad when their "esword the hallways" antics are shut down by literally anything and look for an excuse to lash out.CosmicScientist wrote: egg will make more players sad. Don't give them stuns, Kekhi can tell you what backlash occurs due to validhunting.
Did you know maint has corners?PKPenguin321 wrote:A straight 1 tile wide hallwayShadowDimentio wrote:This, you literally can't find an arena that favors the secborg more than a big empty room with no cover and no exit.Incomptinence wrote:Ah the can't beat it while naked argument has grown to involve facing it in a vast open shooting range.oranges wrote:dimentio would not face me in a 1v1 with him as a grey shirt and me as a secborg in the thunderdome
DEEPLY insightful I am completely swayed now let's rig the bridge to self destruct if I knock on a window.
This is a highly dismissive generalization and clearly not the actual motive behind wanting to keep secborgs gone, and you might know that if you'd actually consider reading just about anything I've written.cedarbridge wrote:The same people who bitch about validhunting from secborgs are the same people who bitch about validhunting from the AI, non-secborg borgs, the clown's PDA and a laundry list of other ided bullshit. People get sad when their "esword the hallways" antics are shut down by literally anything and look for an excuse to lash out.CosmicScientist wrote: egg will make more players sad. Don't give them stuns, Kekhi can tell you what backlash occurs due to validhunting.
Do you read your own posts?CosmicScientist wrote:The same people who validhunt as secborgs are the same people who validhunt as AI, non-secborg borgs, clown PDA holders and a laundry list of other ided bullshit. People get sad when their "underpowered silicon" antics are shut down by literally any coder and look for an excuse to lash out.cedarbridge wrote:The same people who bitch about validhunting from secborgs are the same people who bitch about validhunting from the AI, non-secborg borgs, the clown's PDA and a laundry list of other ided bullshit. People get sad when their "esword the hallways" antics are shut down by literally anything and look for an excuse to lash out.CosmicScientist wrote: egg will make more players sad. Don't give them stuns, Kekhi can tell you what backlash occurs due to validhunting.
Fuck off cedar, you don't play ball and you just hard line.
This thread is just making more and more bad fee fees and has no future unless forced into a conclusion by the powers that are in control of delete post and lock.
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