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Streaming and metagaming

Postby Dax Dupont » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:51 pm #359222

It's it really okay to stream your game like Wyzack was doing.
I mean I understand it's for charity and what not but it seems like a bad precedent. I am not sure if it's priorly approved but as far as I've seen it wasn't announced.

Considering the crackdowns that happened because people were merely in the same discord, openly streaming seems a bad idea.

Are other people allowed to stream or this a one off thing?

Either way, if it's a one off thing please just announce it as an event. That would clear up all of the things



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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:01 am #359236

We allow streams sometimes if they're on a heavy delay, and it's heavily case by case. Wyzack is doing a charity event stream with a minor delay, and we allowed it in this case.
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:01 am #359237

And announcing a stream beforehand would only increase potential metagaming so no
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby Pepper » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:06 am #359247

PKPenguin321 wrote:minor delay

How much of a delay
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:07 am #359248

Gook Nukem wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:minor delay

How much of a delay

I guess it depends but when I was headmin and somebody asked if they could stream IIRC I said at least 15 minutes, wyzack's stream was obviously way shorter (like only a few minutes) but again it's case by case
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby Pepper » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:09 am #359249

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Gook Nukem wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:minor delay

How much of a delay

I guess it depends but when I was headmin and somebody asked if they could stream IIRC I said at least 15 minutes, wyzack's stream was obviously way shorter (like only a few minutes) but again it's case by case

If i released a singulo as a non-antag would i get a shorter ban if someone had donated money to charity to make me do it
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby onleavedontatme » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:11 am #359250

I personally don't care if you only have a small delay during regular streaming. Gaining meta info is already super easy (even for something as simple as being cloned), it's acting on it that we look out and ban for (warning admins you are gonna stream beforehand can help with that though).

The wyzack thing was a one off that he first brought up a month ago and which all the headmins signed off on, I don't think we need any long term policy to cover that. Rule 0 for charity.

Considering the crackdowns that happened because people were merely in the same discord, openly streaming seems a bad idea.


This was dumb and the bans got lifted it shouldn't be looked to as precedent for anything

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby onleavedontatme » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:13 am #359251

Gook Nukem wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Gook Nukem wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:minor delay

How much of a delay

I guess it depends but when I was headmin and somebody asked if they could stream IIRC I said at least 15 minutes, wyzack's stream was obviously way shorter (like only a few minutes) but again it's case by case

If i released a singulo as a non-antag would i get a shorter ban if someone had donated money to charity to make me do it


If you can verify you are actually participating in a charitable event then you can coordinate such questions with headmins in advance.

Until then I'm not sure what the point of hypotheticals like that are.

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby Screemonster » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:34 am #359255

Are antags allowed to hunt down and gank the shit out of the streamers like what happens every single time one of the frontier staff livestreams Elite? Because that never gets old.

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby onleavedontatme » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:36 am #359256

Screemonster wrote:Are antags allowed to hunt down and gank the shit out of the streamers like what happens every single time one of the frontier staff livestreams Elite? Because that never gets old.


If they stream with zero delay sure they brought that on themselves. Don't want a repeat of the PUBG drama

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby J_Madison » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:05 am #359260

This is a rare event and I think there are times where the rules should be broken.

I don't think this kind of event requires a heavy handed ruling simply because of principals.

You can fight on principals for around 200 dollars to a children charity and argue over broken principals.

Sometimes the rules are broken because it isn't worth the effort to uphold those principals. Sometimes because the benefit outweighs the cost.

This doesn't mean that everyone can be given this free pass, but I think three rounds for around 200 give or take averaging around 65 dollars per round is excusable in this context.

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:12 am #359264

It's made $273 at the time of posting this
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby Wyzack » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:17 am #359318

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby naltronix » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:03 pm #359359

i still want you to get the money in 10 dollar bills and fire it through the window of a childrens hospital with a potato cannon like you said you would at 1000 dollars
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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby Dax Dupont » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:38 pm #359363

All I wanted it if this thread is a confirmation that streaming is bad unless prior approval. Which it was in this case and good job on raising money for kids.

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Re: Streaming and metagaming

Postby TehSteveo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:36 pm #359364

A policy discussion thread that is resolved without drama. Weird.
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