the syndicate shuttle rule

[Armhulen]

The two big reasons we had a snowflake rule about not searching for the syndie ship are both gone, the rule should no longer exist.

first reason: telescience bombs into the 5 shuttle spots the shuttle could exist at.
no longer an issue because telescience is gone but ALSO because the shuttle doesn't have the same spots.

second reason: people would search the same 5 spots for the shuttle

>the shuttle doesn't have the same spots.

if i recall correctly, the shuttle now has blast doors and invincible walls. it can be in any direction in any spot on the z-level. we should start letting people search for it again.

[Saegrimr]

Does the shuttle have the turrets on it still? If yes that sounds reasonable, if not then yeah fuck that drop an IR laser TTV at the front door and wait.

[Armhulen]

this is a great point and i'm dumb for opening this, i just don't know why we have this crazy reward for bombing the syndicate base if it's also bannable

[Anonmare]

The walls aren't indestructible but it does have turrets and they do target non-syndicate borgs now

[Incomptinence]

Double external turrets with increased coverage and add some internal turrets. Have a beepsky alternate that stun batons non syndis then eswords them instead of cuffing but make it so the bot can't leave or work outside the shuttle. Have viscerator dispensers mounted on some walls that trigger if non syndis come near them.

Most importantly have anything defensive send warning when destroyed on the syndi channel and put in some air alarms that do similar so syndis can nip back and slam down on shuttle boarders.

Use some drat creativity then remove the rule it can move around now there isn't anything meta about it other than curmudgeonly admins wringing their hands.

[D&B]

Shuttle doesn't have invincible walls.

Also turrets are easily cheesable and not that reliant.

[BeeSting12]

[onleavedontatme]

It's pretty exciting when someone follows the disk back there using a pinpointer and nabs the nuke at the last second

Randomly searching for it usually just kinda cuts the round short though

[BeeSting12]

Yeah, I didn't mean stuff like what Kor said. That's fine, and it's pretty fun. I meant randomly searching for the ops ship- It's not that hard to figure out where they landed based on where they entered from or even canvas the whole z-level. It would kinda suck if every ops round an op had to stay behind to guard the ship or else the nuke will be taken.

[Incomptinence]

As I said make it alert the ops then the breacher can be sandwiched between nuke ops and whatever static defence they are trying to cheese.

[Anonmare]

Shuttle doesn't have invincible walls.

Also turrets are easily cheesable and not that reliant.

They're a little harder to cheese with structure damage, plus they shouldn't be insurmountable for obvious reasons

[Bluespace]

Just make the shuttle indestructible and have a “laser grid” that only lets syndis through.

[Incomptinence]

Or have a ghost role people can re-enter even if someone ghosts themselves from it bound to the shuttle with the sole purpose of killing non syndi intruders.

All sorts of more interesting options than HRP style forbidden city shit.

[TehSteveo]

Randomly searching for the shuttle is still quite dumb. Even with the shuttle position changing, I know we'd see people purposefully take off to cheese it. It's still better option to leave it where you can mess with the shuttle if you managed to follow them in some shape or form.

[kevinz000]

the turrets are a joke they're not going to keep any respectable powergamer out.
we can nuke the syndicate base yes but it normally involves killing all the ops and getting one of their ids/a cyborg and following an op back to ship to get it and nuke them.

[CitrusGender]

keep the rules as they are, there's no reason to change something that could result in dumb rounds. The nukies would have to expect people on their ship and that's no fun.

[Rustledjimm]

I don't see why it needs to change either personally. Crew can still follow ops and the pinpointer to the ship but otherwise they should not search for it.

[cedarbridge]

Something only lightly touched on here is what this rule does to preserve somewhat the balance of the roundtype. A typical scenario will mean the ops are wildly outnumbered. In the case of warops, not only are they outnumbered, they're also likely out gunned and the station configuration will be modified to block them out. That means that while the ops are chasing the disk around in an already odds-against scenario, there's any of about 20 or more people with nothing else to do than get suits and jump into space to find the nuke. This is interesting for literally nobody. The ops go through the struggle against the crew, come up with the disk and come back to a stalemate minor victory because the resources they were given to get the disk didn't also cover the no-fun squad that spaced the nuke instead of defending the disk.

[Screemonster]

this has now got me thinking whether there's an easy way to have a non-syndicate boarding the shuttle generate an adminmessage like "Urist Mcgreyshirt has boarded the syndicate shuttle [with|without] a pinpointer, the disk [is|is not] nearby." with a jump-to link or something

[cedarbridge]

this has now got me thinking whether there's an easy way to have a non-syndicate boarding the shuttle generate an adminmessage like "Urist Mcgreyshirt has boarded the syndicate shuttle [with|without] a pinpointer, the disk [is|is not] nearby." with a jump-to link or something

You'd just have to check shuttle turf contents and compare the role on the ID/lack of ID when somebody enters or leaves a shuttle turf.

[onleavedontatme]

Something only lightly touched on here is what this rule does to preserve somewhat the balance of the roundtype.

Lots of people value the sanctity of rule 4 and their right to win at all costs more than they do the game being fun or functional

[calzilla1]

I think there should be a ghost role which job is to protect the ship, but cant go 7 tiles away from the ship or else hell explode.

[Cobby]

If people could legally search for the ship I doubt a singular individual could successfully defend it.

[Incomptinence]

If people could legally search for the ship I doubt a singular individual could successfully defend it.

With a dedicated shuttle locked ghost role in it it would also be mobile. The shuttle would need to be beefed into a home alone style hell hole apart from that anyway.

Not looking for the vehicle hostile boarders used to came near your space station in the middle of bumfuck nowhere isn't a huge leap and makes a lot of sense IC really.

Just the shuttle needs an upgrade now the location is no longer pre locked to a few easily metagamed areas.

[leibniz]

If people could legally search for the ship I doubt a singular individual could successfully defend it.

With a dedicated shuttle locked ghost role in it it would also be mobile. The shuttle would need to be beefed into a home alone style hell hole apart from that anyway.

Not looking for the vehicle hostile boarders used to came near your space station in the middle of bumfuck nowhere isn't a huge leap and makes a lot of sense IC really.

Just the shuttle needs an upgrade now the location is no longer pre locked to a few easily metagamed areas.

The map is too small and the station is too large. The shuttle cant really hide.

[onleavedontatme]

The rule has mostly worked for 7+ years to ensure the mode doesnt get cheesed by powergamers while still leaving room for exciting last minute grabs.

A ghost role or invincible walls or whatever could both fail at stopping people going out of their to find the shuttle and potentially shut down attempts at last minute saves. Dont see the upside in risking making the game less fun. Dont need to fix what isnt broken.