Suicide Bombing the Wizard round start

[The_Silver_Nuke]

This should be against the rules. The player that happened to roll wizard was deprived of their opportunity to be creative and actually play the game, and other players get cucked out of being able to fight the wizard. Just because one person doesn't like to play on wiz rounds they decide, "Unga, me bomb wiz," now everyone has a terrible time. Suicide bombing wizard before 15 minutes should be bannable.

[wesoda25]

its almost as if wizard rounds aren’t enjoyable.... if you need to come up with wack ruling policies to preserve the integrity of a gamemode, its not a good gamemode. Just don’t get bombed next time lol.

[deedubya]

The wizard is valid. Full stop.

You're allowed to kill yourself at any time for any reason, unless you're a command role or team antag.

You're allowed to cause damage to the station as a non-antag so long as it's done in an effort to end the round. You're even allowed to cause casualties so long as your action kills the antag as well.

[CPTANT]

Suicide bombing isn't fun, period.

Features without counter play are never enjoyable. You can't do shit about being suicide bombed except keep over 5 tiles distance from every single person on the station.

[annoyinggreencatgirl]

The player that happened to roll wizard was deprived of their opportunity to be creative...

What wizard rounds are you seeing creativity take place in? Nine out of ten times they just murderbone, with varying degrees of success.
I will point out that if somebody actually does try to do something amusing and out of the ordinary, like friendly/gimmicky wiz, MORE people will just try to go kill them ASAP by any means necessary.

...and other players get cucked out of being able to fight the wizard.

I mean...too bad? You seriously want a rule in place to fix the problem of "they killed an antag before I could, no fair"?

Maybe a game mode that lends itself to a single dude running around round-removing people until a greytider dunks on them is just inherently not that fun; food for thought.

[Tlaltecuhtli]

wiz have many 1 click gg at their disposals which can easly kill the whole clueless crew, with the availibility of bombs people started using them to insta round end for their effectiveness instead of an epic scooby doo catching script where wiz blinks and fireballs self 10 min after.
in dynamic mode it isnt allowed by rules because there is no round end and you self remove yourself while everyone else can still play so there is no incentive in doing so if round didnt turn into garbage.

“the wiz player who got their oppurtunity to be creative removed “ (probably you as who else would open this kind of thread) should just say say “sad” and hope to be more accepted next time as if it wasnt a bomb it would have been a shotgun in the face, validmov borgs, lexorin syringegun, booby trapped medkits or something else as its fair game. other people succeeded to make gimmicks while playing wiz and dodging the aspirant isis recluits, git gud or something instead of opening a thread because someone didnt considered whatever in your mind could have been interesting instead of the usual fireball to face

[PKPenguin321]

This speaks more about bombs as a mechanic. It's cool when they take effort but if you're able to whip up multiple maxcaps with special triggers within 10-15 minutes, there's a problem

[Malkraz]

remove wizard

[wesoda25]

remove the gamemode itself and keep it in dynamic

[BeeSting12]

I'm confused as to how a wizard got bombed round start when they spawn in the den. If you mean as soon as they teleport to the station, then that's just on them for being a dumb fuck.

[CPTANT]

This speaks more about bombs as a mechanic. It's cool when they take effort but if you're able to whip up multiple maxcaps with special triggers within 10-15 minutes, there's a problem

I personally think TTV's should have to be wrenched down to explode, just like syndicate bombs.

[NecromancerAnne]

I'm confused as to how a wizard got bombed round start when they spawn in the den. If you mean as soon as they teleport to the station, then that's just on them for being a dumb fuck.

This was probably prompted by a round on sybil where a scientist made a maxcap in 2 minutes and I think 40 seconds and then immediately killing the wizard with it.

Maxcap speedrunning is a thing.

[deedubya]

And absolutely nobody was surprised when this was revealed to be an "ided" salt post in disguise.

[angelstarri]

This was probably prompted by a round on sybil where a scientist made a maxcap in 2 minutes and I think 40 seconds and then immediately killing the wizard with it.

Maxcap speedrunning is a thing.

[NecromancerAnne]

Actually the OP wasn't the wizard. I think.

[CPTANT]

Can someone explain to me how suicide bombing is supposed to be an interesting mechanic?

[Tlaltecuhtli]

because it ends a time limited round and ppl can go on the next one

[NecromancerAnne]

Unapologetically risking your own ability to play the game to roll another round. If the wizard hits that ethereal jaunt fast enough, you get the satisfaction of not only having the station suffer massive damage, get a wizard round to fuck around in, but also get someone banned because they wanted the round to end and fucked up.

[MortoSasye]

Suicide bombing the wizard is allowed and a similar previous headmin precedent that ties to this one is the following, allowing the use of suicide bombs against antags like the wizard if it ends the round right after: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 62#p329751

if your extremely griefy thing doesn't DIRECTLY WIN THE ROUND RIGHT AFTER it's griff and bannable