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Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby RaveRadbury » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:32 am #536129

Are we going to let current naming policies stand for Manuel or does MRP need a higher level of naming policy?

I'd like to bring up some kinds of names that I've encountered and I'd appreciate if people could give their opinions on the matter.

(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.

References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.

Worth noting here for silicon policy is references to real and possibly outdated technology. Are alright with naming your borg after an old graphics card? Is "Nintendo" (or the same thing except with periods in-between) allowed? Heck, is HAL - 9000 or AM allowed even?

Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category

Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?

Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk

Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.


Of course most of these issues don't apply to performer names, however in my opinion we shouldn't really be allowing any blatantly rude names be allowed.


Atmosphere becomes more important as RP increases, so the sooner we can come together as a community and say where we draw the line the better. The names of the people around you can do a lot to define the atmosphere of the round.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Sheodir » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:42 am #536132

RaveRadbury wrote:(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.


Big agree, the names should be functional at least. Clever puns are one thing, just poopy funnee though is straight out, however measuring might be hard, so maybe let's just take out pun names.

RaveRadbury wrote:References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.


Straight no, for the reasons said here. If it's a reference people will immediately get like so it's out - however just using parts of names or character names is fine. Aka "Jamie Lannister" is not ok, "Jack Stark" is fine.

RaveRadbury wrote:Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category


I don't find it abhorrent but unless you're a clown it can be a bit distracting. Specially for Sillicons. I don't care about these for clowns and mimes.

RaveRadbury wrote:Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?

I think these are fine, honestly.

RaveRadbury wrote:Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk


These are fine, if not great.

RaveRadbury wrote:Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.


Hard disagree here. The Argonian naming scheme has a charm to it, however it should also be regulated to be more like proper names (even if they're characteristics) than 'Robusts-the-Sec'. Something like "One-who-Sparks' or such would be fine.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:50 am #536136

RaveRadbury wrote:(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.

I know I am associated with the epic funny bald person jokes however I think a name like Bal Di is fine. I have never once read that name and thought "this is dumb".

RaveRadbury wrote:References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.


Depends on popularity. If it's mainstream then no. If it's something that not everyone will get then don't change it unless really necessary.

RaveRadbury wrote:Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category


I think these names are fine. I have fond memories of the silicon construction guide on the wiki.
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RaveRadbury wrote:Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?

We already don't allow these apparently.

RaveRadbury wrote:Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk

I think this was covered by headmins once but I don't think anyone ever sees that and goes "BRO THAT'S BREKAING THE RULES FUCK I NEED BACKUP DON'T ASK QUESTIONS HEADMINS JUST SEND BACKUP NOW". Plus, Randolph P. Checkers is Randolph P. Checkers. He may not play /tg/ much anymore however I think it would be dumb if we said no which would mean we would have to punish Randolph P. Checkers. Don't forget the other people who use names like this such as Ostrava of Nanotrasen. You would kill more RP than anything if this was outlawed.

RaveRadbury wrote:Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.

Keep it. Most lizards have used this for a long ass time. Also, the alternative are those weird fucking ashwalker names or John Smith the lizard. You know how dumb John Smith the lizard sounds?

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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Arathian » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 am #536143

Without going one by one:

Puns should not be allowed on RP servers. I don't mind Bal Dee being a bald bearded guy, but it doesn't really fit the RP theme.

Titles and nicknames are not allowed in ANY server and I always had a hard disagree stance with that. Especially on the RP server. Titles (dr. sir. Esq. etc) should all have to be abbreviated, but other than that, they are fine and should be fine. Nicknames should always be in the middle, with a single mark quotation and have someeeeee reasonableness to it. "Arathian 'spiderman' Kebabopoulos" f.ex.(to use the actual nickname I have managed to make for myself :D ). But they shouldn't be a way to circumvent naming rules. So no "Arathian 'nigger beater 3000' Kebabopoulos" for example.

Finally, I know some people don't like the lizard naming scheme, but I am extremely opposed to limiting it in any form. I always enjoy those names.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby cacogen » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:08 am #536179

Roleplay should enhance not kill the fun. I think references are fine. Prefixes and suffixes should be added in the code. There are procs that get first name or last name so if you start your name with Dr. or Doctor it thinks that's your name, or end it with III it thinks that's your surname. Nicknames should be handled codewise too because Original "Snowflake" Character looks insufferable (they did this on Bay last time I was there like 5 years ago). The nickname should just show as their first name except on medical and security records, where it shows as nickname or known alias.

As for characters with piss-take names no parent would choose, I think we can leave that up to the admins' discerning judgement
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby bandit » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:28 am #536183

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RaveRadbury wrote:(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.


Depends on subtlety.whether it is plausibly a name that a real person may actually have. Mike Hunt is probably fine. Aheet Mahpoo is probably not. Seymour Butts is borderline but not not a name someone can have.

References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.

Worth noting here for silicon policy is references to real and possibly outdated technology. Are alright with naming your borg after an old graphics card? Is "Nintendo" (or the same thing except with periods in-between) allowed? Heck, is HAL - 9000 or AM allowed even?


References are lazy, generally not good RP, and are to be avoided. Silicons are an exception as they are pieces of technology with brand names, but it is probably best just to leave them as a name only, not an accompanying "holy shit I'm actually GLaDOs" gimmick.

Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category


I would prefer if they didn't.

Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?


I don't have a problem with this.

Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk


Just name yourself the nickname, but code support is a good idea

Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.


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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Vekter » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:33 am #536189

(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.


Not a fan of these on Manuel, I feel like they're rarely, if ever, actually funny.

References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.

Worth noting here for silicon policy is references to real and possibly outdated technology. Are alright with naming your borg after an old graphics card? Is "Nintendo" (or the same thing except with periods in-between) allowed? Heck, is HAL - 9000 or AM allowed even?


I can't really vote no on this because my static is a reference (albeit a somewhat esoteric one), but I think the easy answer is a hard no on any of these. If an admin can recognize it, then it's out. The silicon one is a bit different, since they're obviously named by humans and humans are fucking dorks. I could see someone naming an AI after an old form of tech.

Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category


Yeah, no. Very much against these. We're better than that.

Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?


One of those weird instances for me. I think no, but it'd depend on the specific situation.

Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk


These are fine by me.

Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.


I don't really care too much. I think it needs to be something that makes sense and doesn't reference memes/internet culture. It should be logical outside of the scope of the playerbase zeitgeist.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Grazyn » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:37 am #536205

I've always found names like Dr. Jack "Sawbones" McGee a bit annoying even for an RP server and just an inch away from custom character descriptions in the examine text. Prefixes and suffixes are already banned and for a good reason, what happens if your Dr. Esq. MD doesn't roll the job at roundstart or is demoted? Having to deal with those people as HoP must be painful.

And about nicknames, isn't it better to have them come up organically instead of forcing them on others? Nicknames should be something your friends/co-workers make up for stuff you do in game, and the fact they call you that should be proof of their closer relationship with you. "My nickname is "Sunstrike" and you will call me that, stop calling me "Slimebag" because I'm fat and work in xenobio, reeee"

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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby wesoda25 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:15 pm #536229

How about admins actually enforce the naming policy rules we have there instead of ignoring them like they do on the other servers
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Lazengann » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:20 pm #536231

I'm against enforcing naming policy until argonian names are outlawed

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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Vekter » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:33 pm #536236

wesoda25 wrote:How about admins actually enforce the naming policy rules we have there instead of ignoring them like they do on the other servers


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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby peoplearestrange » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:47 pm #536240

I want to say these are MY opinions only. I'm not in charge and these views don't reflect the whole of the admin team.

RaveRadbury wrote:(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.
I think subtle ones are fine and honestly part of the quirky nature. Also honestly knew someone IRL who was called Richard Head. So there we go.
I think stuff like "Grey Tide" is just low effort.
TLDR: yes its fine

RaveRadbury wrote:References
These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify..

Worth noting here for silicon policy is references to real and possibly outdated technology. Are alright with naming your borg after an old graphics card? Is "Nintendo" (or the same thing except with periods in-between) allowed? Heck, is HAL - 9000 or AM allowed even?
Honestly this is fine on most except Manuel. I believe its a little too immersion breaking to have Barrack Obama running your station. The smart thing would be to make it a reference, I.e. Barrack Olama, so its obvious who you're trying to parody, but with out being direct. AI are fine though, windows ME, HAL, AM, etc are all great AI names.
TLDR: no. Accept for AI's which some how works

RaveRadbury wrote:Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category
Ergh I just find it so amazing low effort. Personally they don't add comedy and they break immersion, so for me its a no.
TLDR: Low effort, no

RaveRadbury wrote:Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?
These people seem to have issues with where I do not. If it suits the role though. Its odd to have a Dr in security. But a Dr or Prof in medical or science works fine. I think Old o' engineers or miners also works well with the aesthetic of the game.
TLDR: yes but suited to the role.

RaveRadbury wrote:Nicknames
I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk
I think nicknames are great personally, they add character to the role so long as they don't REPLACE the name. I.e. Wayne 'Duck' Newton is A OK and gives people something to call them quickly, or adds roleplay of "you don't get to call me that we ain't friends" kinda shindig.
TLDR: yes with a real name

RaveRadbury wrote:Argonian
I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.
100% disagree, racial type names are honestly a nice thing, it adds a layer to the idea that they might have separate ideals or racial needs. I've (mostly) seen people do it really well and it adds to it even more when its broken (lizards with human names because of X backstory). The plasmapeople have it, the ethreals have them, and honestly this has been in the game almost as long as lizard people have been a playable (non admin only) character.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby confused rock » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:29 pm #536265

Where is the actual difference between obama and olama, PAS? It makes 0 difference.

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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Qbopper » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:15 pm #536313

I used to be a real stickler over name policy so I guess I'll contribute my take - I agree that manuel probably needs the policy re-examined

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RaveRadbury wrote:(Rude) Puns
I think pun names can be alright, but names like "Seymour Butts", "Aheet Mahpoo", "Bal Di", and others are pretty immersion breaking and ultimately dissuade other players from engaging them sincerely. If it came down to having no pun names or these dorky rude puns I'd vote for tossing out pun names completely.

Not a big fan of pun names myself - obviously terrible ones should be a no. I'd say legitimately clever ones should be okay but then you get into the tried and tested "different admins think different things are funny" fight

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These can range from things like "Jack Napier" to "Barack Obama" It seems like there is a certain level of popularity of the reference in combination with it's memeability. For example, a player named "Marsellus Wallace" is going to provoke players to ask if "he looks like a bitch" because the name goes hand-in-hand with the quote. This is a tough nut to crack from an administrative perspective because one can in fact make a reference that others don't know and it ultimately comes down to whether or not you get recognized and caught. Then the player has a history of having successfully played that character for several rounds and being recognized for that name. Whether or not this is immersion breaking has a lot to do with how easily understood the reference is, but that is difficult to quantify.

Reference names are extremely lazy tbh, I don't HATE them most of the time but I remember when there used to be like 3 snake plissken mains or something and it was definitely annoying - they also lead to what you mentioned, where a player thinks that since they weren't bwoinked for a name over a few rounds that they're fine (because players tend to overestimate how much admins see)

Worth noting here for silicon policy is references to real and possibly outdated technology. Are alright with naming your borg after an old graphics card? Is "Nintendo" (or the same thing except with periods in-between) allowed? Heck, is HAL - 9000 or AM allowed even?

This one is weird, because on the one hand, silicon names being references is a classic, but on the other, everything above

I think a good compromise could be "you can have reference names if you change it slightly so it's not literally word for word a reference"


Rude Language
Are we okay with an AI named "R.E.T.A.R.D."? I personally find names like this to be cheap and abhorrent, but does the community? This is likely more often to occur with silicon names, but since it isn't even really a pun I feel like it deserves it's own category

extremely lazy and makes the person playing it look bad, would not be sad to see a rule against it

Prefixes + Suffixes
Are we alright with prefixes like "Dr." or "Old/Ol'/Ole" and suffixes like "Esq." and "III"? What if they violate the first-name last-name policy, as in "Prefix" "Lastname"?

this was a massive fucking shitstorm a few years(?) back and I think opening it back up is a hellish idea - I'm biased because I personally dislike prefixes/etc. and think they look really dumb, I'm not sure why you can't just grumble IC about how you're a doctor or whatever instead of putting it in your name

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I don't think that our current naming policy supports it, but I am actually in favor of name like "Mike 'Sparky' Smith" and " 'Doctor' Nick Riviera". Not really sure what the arguments against them have been, but I think that if sane uses of this were allowed it would be pretty okay. Maybe we should just get code support for nicknames in the character creator, idk

'doctor' nick riviera made me laugh but I'm also not a fan of these - picking your own nickname feels even weirder in the context of a MRP server to me? I was always in the minority on this, I feel, but I dislike them a lot

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I get the feeling that a lot of people won't agree with me on this but I firmly believe that the Argonian naming scheme is tired and shouldn't be on MRP. In most cases it defines a character in a really two-dimensional way.

I find it tired but don't particularly care if it's gone or not - but the leniency on blatantly OOC names just because they're lizards is and always was very fucking dumb and the next time I see a lizard with any reference to griffing or bwoinking in their name i am going to jump out of a window

Atmosphere becomes more important as RP increases, so the sooner we can come together as a community and say where we draw the line the better. The names of the people around you can do a lot to define the atmosphere of the round.

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Postby Farquaar » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:19 pm #536326

Nicknames: It’s worth noting that the name you select during character generation is your character’s legal name that appears on their company issued ID. It’s fine if your character goes by a nickname, but it doesn’t belong in your character name field.

Coding in a nickname field in the character creator might help solve this issue, but nicknames really should come around organically. Anything else is like that Seinfeld episode where George Costanza keeps demanding everybody call him T-bone.

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Postby cacogen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:30 am #536368

Grazyn wrote:And about nicknames, isn't it better to have them come up organically instead of forcing them on others? Nicknames should be something your friends/co-workers make up for stuff you do in game, and the fact they call you that should be proof of their closer relationship with you. "My nickname is "Sunstrike" and you will call me that, stop calling me "Slimebag" because I'm fat and work in xenobio, reeee"

yeah actually this is why it's so insufferable because it's assigning yourself a nickname

Grazyn wrote:I've always found names like Dr. Jack "Sawbones" McGee a bit annoying even for an RP server and just an inch away from custom character descriptions in the examine text.

yeah it's snowflakey OC shit like this that earns roleplay its gay reputation

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to be a pedant the honorific wouldn't go away if you lost your job, you still have the degree
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Postby Cobby » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:12 am #536381

Titles- your character name should be your "real name" at it's base. You don't see Mr. Aki Ito or Ms. Lola Cobblestone so it feels quite forced when you have people playing with Dr. Pahv L. Ceeayeae and the like. I think it would be cool if the code appended titles.

Pun- Subtle? Yes, No otherwise.

Reference- I could honestly care less so long as the name is believable. If you want to play Bruce Wayne or Barack Obama or whomever go ahead, just realize you might get abnormal interactions (including ones unfavorable to your play) by doing this so I'd recommend just making your own.

Rude Language - If Rude = Vulgar, No. Otherwise things like Bal Di fall into the puns category.

Nicknames - See Titles

Argonian - X-A-Y scheme? I could care less so long as it doesn't negatively touch on the above items along with common qualifiers of what constitute a good name. Not really sure why lizards want to have names that sound like the human language as opposed to their unique one, kinda a missed opportunity there imo.
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Postby Grazyn » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:03 am #536405

cacogen wrote:
Grazyn wrote:what happens if your Dr. Esq. MD doesn't roll the job at roundstart or is demoted?

to be a pedant the honorific wouldn't go away if you lost your job, you still have the degree

You're right, it's still jarring because the name isn't just what is written on the ID, people identify you with that name even when you're not wearing it. People don't say "Hey look it's Gal Stone MD!"

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Postby peoplearestrange » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:54 pm #536426

I wouldn't say NT are LEGAL names, they're a work badge. And by that merit yes I have seen people who only go by a nick name have that on their badge in numerous work things IRL.

As for honorifics, most badges do also show these, as the word suggests, out of respect. As for not having the right role for the honor, why don't you play a more than one static, have a static for Sec jobs, have one for sci/med and one for civi jobs. Stop making your characters Mary Sue's and SELF limit your character, they'll feel more real and less bland. Limiting your character or making them bad at one thing is like 101 of roleplay.
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Postby Farquaar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:28 pm #536451

peoplearestrange wrote:I wouldn't say NT are LEGAL names, they're a work badge. And by that merit yes I have seen people who only go by a nick name have that on their badge in numerous work things IRL.

Not sure where you’ve worked in the past, but I’ve never seen anyone get away with John ‘Hot Stuff’ Doe on their company ID card.

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Postby Qbopper » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:39 pm #536474

peoplearestrange wrote:I wouldn't say NT are LEGAL names, they're a work badge. And by that merit yes I have seen people who only go by a nick name have that on their badge in numerous work things IRL.


not sure exactly what you're referring to but if you want to pull the irl card, the nicknames you usually see on badges like that tend to be shortened versions of names/a middle name/whatever else and not John "Gamer" Doe or something equally ridiculous

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Postby peoplearestrange » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:03 pm #536515

Yeah I guess thats fair. They tend to be shortenings or just plain replacing the name.
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Postby Mickyan » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:01 am #536520

Nicknames and honorifics tend to largely be abused by people who just want to seek attention, we can do without John "Deathkiller" Doe the assistant

Act your character, you don't need a nametag that spells out for everyone that "yes, I do indeed kill death"
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Postby wesoda25 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:46 am #536727

get rid of argonian it fucking sucks

we can just force all lizard players to have 3 s' in a row in their name. it'd be the same caliber of what we have now lol
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Postby Lazengann » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:35 pm #536810

Mickyan wrote:Nicknames and honorifics tend to largely be abused by people who just want to seek attention, we can do without John "Deathkiller" Doe the assistant

Act your character, you don't need a nametag that spells out for everyone that "yes, I do indeed kill death"

yeah they should use a more high quality name like Kills-the-Death

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Postby Qbopper » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:47 pm #536876

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Mickyan wrote:Nicknames and honorifics tend to largely be abused by people who just want to seek attention, we can do without John "Deathkiller" Doe the assistant

Act your character, you don't need a nametag that spells out for everyone that "yes, I do indeed kill death"

yeah they should use a more high quality name like Kills-the-Death


absolutely based post

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Postby Grazyn » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:00 pm #536877

Lizard names are functionally nicknames because lorewise they are assigned by the family/village/community/whatever based on stuff the lizard is known for. Yeah players abuse this to make silly names, but Kills-the-death is actually a good RP name.

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Postby Qbopper » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:11 pm #536878

Grazyn wrote:Lizard names are functionally nicknames because lorewise they are assigned by the family/village/community/whatever based on stuff the lizard is known for. Yeah players abuse this to make silly names, but Kills-the-death is actually a good RP name.


that's still a bit of a stretch but honestly lizard names are usually worse

admins should straight up just change someone's name if it has a reference to griffing or bwoinks tb fuckin h
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Postby Qbmax32 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:46 pm #536880

ok but can I keep using the name Max Capp
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Postby Dr_bee » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:07 pm #536901

Kills-the-Death is unironically a good name for a lizard doctor.

When it comes to honorifics, Dr. is at least flexible. You can either have an MD or a PhD depending on the job. And if your a bartender you have a hilarious story about how your degree is fucking useless.

Sometimes silly shit can be good RP prompts, so getting to strict on naming should be avoided.

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Postby Cobby » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:56 am #536917

Qbmax32 wrote:ok but can I keep using the name Max Capp


ofc, just rule 0 allow it.
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Postby Subtle » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:00 am #536920

After a gentle bwoink for the last name "Blumpkin" I've gotta wonder just how serious any proposed criteria really need to be.
Sure, nonsensical or 4th-wall names as well as titles are OOC/snowflakey, but that's a simple culture thing rather than any looming threat to the average round's immersion. Just nudge people away from the awful ones and it'll pass.

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Postby wesoda25 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:25 pm #541997

Subtle wrote:After a gentle bwoink for the last name "Blumpkin" I've gotta wonder just how serious any proposed criteria really need to be.
Sure, nonsensical or 4th-wall names as well as titles are OOC/snowflakey, but that's a simple culture thing rather than any looming threat to the average round's immersion. Just nudge people away from the awful ones and it'll pass.

Admins really be bwoinking for “blumpkin” but let “Kanye West” slide by for like a month, probably more
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Postby Grazyn » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 pm #542000

I don't understand why they can't just force random name really. Also I really wish someone would code a verb-the-noun lizard name generator instead of the shitty random names they have now like Neixxias or Rhazera or whatever.

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Postby Lazengann » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:46 pm #542002

yes clearly those names are the shitty ones

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Postby Jack7D1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:56 pm #542018

If you're gonna name yourself RETARD as ai you should be allowed to do so.
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Postby NoxVS » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:33 pm #542062

send the people who cant come up with a normal name back to lrp

if your name is a food or is something like "kat green" or "kat orange" (what the fuck is with "cat color" names and catgirls) then you deserve to be taken out back and shot

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Postby Copybass » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:45 pm #542074

NoxVS wrote:send the people who cant come up with a normal name back to lrp

if your name is a food or is something like "kat green" or "kat orange" (what the fuck is with "cat color" names and catgirls) then you deserve to be taken out back and shot


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Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:48 pm #542075

NoxVS wrote:send the people who cant come up with a normal name back to lrp

if your name is a food or is something like "kat green" or "kat orange" (what the fuck is with "cat color" names and catgirls) then you deserve to be taken out back and shot


As much as I hate to admit it - Kat Green is actually a real name (Kat being short for Katherine and Green is an uncommon surname), it skirts on being overbearing if admins are given leave to tell you "I don't like this name >:("

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Postby wesoda25 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:09 pm #542077

yeah i proved once that technically cee monkey is an acceptable name, doesn't mean it should be allowed
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Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:13 pm #542078

Grazyn wrote:I don't understand why they can't just force random name really. Also I really wish someone would code a verb-the-noun lizard name generator instead of the shitty random names they have now like Neixxias or Rhazera or whatever.

for real dude? those "shitty" names you listed are miles better than Sucks-The-Cock or whatever dumb shit lizards like to go by
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Postby Grazyn » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:53 pm #542088

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Grazyn wrote:I don't understand why they can't just force random name really. Also I really wish someone would code a verb-the-noun lizard name generator instead of the shitty random names they have now like Neixxias or Rhazera or whatever.

for real dude? those "shitty" names you listed are miles better than Sucks-The-Cock or whatever dumb shit lizards like to go by

They're boring milquetoast fantasy names, the verb-the-noun format allows for fun combinations especially with a randomised dictionary-based system, which would also tackle the issue of bad immersion-breaking names.

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Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:14 pm #542096

Grazyn wrote:I don't understand why they can't just force random name really.


"Role playing game" "you're not allowed to choose your own name despite being able to customize everything else"

What the fuck? Do you honestly think that would go down well?

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Postby Sheodir » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:32 pm #542098

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Grazyn wrote:I don't understand why they can't just force random name really.


"Role playing game" "you're not allowed to choose your own name despite being able to customize everything else"

What the fuck? Do you honestly think that would go down well?

Honestly I've played on servers that enforced them and it was overall a pretty positive experience. Only clowns, mimes and silicons were exempt.
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Postby confused rock » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:39 pm #542102

A fault in logic both ways with forcing random name:

1.Nobody picks their name- there's no character who isn't a fucking meme or snowflake where their name is a very important part of them. Last I checked Harry Potter isn't known for hair or pots. The everything else, that's what's important.

2.If you don't random appearance and even personality(impossible) it's still easy to tell who's who.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:28 am #542114

Grazyn wrote:
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Grazyn wrote:I don't understand why they can't just force random name really. Also I really wish someone would code a verb-the-noun lizard name generator instead of the shitty random names they have now like Neixxias or Rhazera or whatever.

for real dude? those "shitty" names you listed are miles better than Sucks-The-Cock or whatever dumb shit lizards like to go by

They're boring milquetoast fantasy names, the verb-the-noun format allows for fun combinations especially with a randomised dictionary-based system, which would also tackle the issue of bad immersion-breaking names.

Grazyn is a boring milquetoast fantasy name
Poops-And-Farts is a terrible name and names of this structure are bad for immersion
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Arianya » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:06 am #542118

Also as much as I dread even commenting on the 9 billionth naming policy thread, I will comment to point out "it's a real name that real people could/actually do have" is not a good metric for whether something is acceptable in a roleplay enviroment - there are a lot of stupidly named people both by parents and self selected. Better arguments to put forward are whether it fits in the thematics of SS13, whether it's a blatant, immersion breaking reference or not, etc. etc.
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby Grazyn » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:08 am #542119

PKPenguin321 wrote:Grazyn is a boring milquetoast fantasy name
Poops-And-Farts is a terrible name and names of this structure are bad for immersion

Native American names break immersion? Argonian names in a TES game break immersion? It's just a matter of sanitizing them with a random generator of verbs an nouns.

confused rock wrote:2.If you don't random appearance and even personality(impossible) it's still easy to tell who's who.

Doesn't matter, the issue here are bad names, not metabuddying
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Re: Manuel - Naming Policy

Postby oranges » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:08 am #542120

delete the naming policy

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