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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby confused rock » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:45 am #539483

IF we go by that then yeah put them in the fucking bar if you want I don't see why harmless violence wouldn't be entertainment if "haha the clown is intentionally tripping people" is
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby cacogen » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:17 am #539505

don't see why it can't just be left up to the captain
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby RaveRadbury » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:22 am #539506

confused rock wrote:IF we go by that then yeah put them in the fucking bar if you want I don't see why harmless violence wouldn't be entertainment if "haha the clown is intentionally tripping people" is


It completely destroys the theater area for the rest of the round. Like at the very least speak with the clown and mime about it if you're going use their space. Also every time I see rage cages they get used for like 5 minutes and then no one does anything with them so yeah I would question the entertainment value.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby confused rock » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:24 am #539508

*a rage cage that destroys the theatre destroys the threatre

as does literally anything that destroys the threatre. At least that puts an actual show in one. This isn't even a rage cage issue at that point, it's a "things that take up space in the bar" issue.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby NoxVS » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:36 am #539511

RaveRadbury wrote:
confused rock wrote:IF we go by that then yeah put them in the fucking bar if you want I don't see why harmless violence wouldn't be entertainment if "haha the clown is intentionally tripping people" is


It completely destroys the theater area for the rest of the round. Like at the very least speak with the clown and mime about it if you're going use their space. Also every time I see rage cages they get used for like 5 minutes and then no one does anything with them so yeah I would question the entertainment value.

if no one does anything with them, take it apart. Its a rage cage, its 9 times out of 10 a tiny square you dont even have enough room to fight in. It would take like 5 minutes to take apart

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby cacogen » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:43 am #539512

RaveRadbury wrote:It completely destroys the theater area for the rest of the round.

the real tragedy. in fact you could argue the replacement of the theatre for an arena of crude violence as spectator sport is its most important performance yet

RaveRadbury wrote:Also every time I see rage cages they get used for like 5 minutes and then no one does anything with them so yeah I would question the entertainment value.

this is true and in fact highlights a very salient point: rage cages are gay and extremely overdone
however, used even less and to even more impotent ends is the theatre
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:54 am #539515

RaveRadbury wrote:
confused rock wrote:IF we go by that then yeah put them in the fucking bar if you want I don't see why harmless violence wouldn't be entertainment if "haha the clown is intentionally tripping people" is


It completely destroys the theater area for the rest of the round. Like at the very least speak with the clown and mime about it if you're going use their space. Also every time I see rage cages they get used for like 5 minutes and then no one does anything with them so yeah I would question the entertainment value.

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby cybersaber101 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:14 am #539530

So generally what I can get out of this is that for manuel
1:Rage cages should be done publicly at great enthuse by the server population or hidden in maint.
2: If done in the theater should be given permission by the mime and clown.
3: shouldn't be done alone by a single whiny bitch

I don't see anything wrong with any of this applying for manuel.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby RaveRadbury » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:55 am #539544

NoxVS wrote:if no one does anything with them, take it apart. Its a rage cage, its 9 times out of 10 a tiny square you dont even have enough room to fight in. It would take like 5 minutes to take apart


Most rage cages are electrified, which requires help from engineers if we're really going to stay in our own lanes about it. Also we all know that the game does not currently support player-set decals so either all the wood gets torn out and taken god knows where or the diner tile gets pried up and only grey tile can be replaced. It really messes with the ambiance.

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby carshalash » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:32 am #539558

Stop shitting up my bar with rage cages.

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby confused rock » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:25 pm #539615

If you really don’t want a rage cage then complain before it’s built??? Bartender even has a shotgun.

Again “stop shitting up my bar with rage cages” should just be “stop shitting up my bar” if the problem is just the location and not the creation.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby RaveRadbury » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:52 pm #539619

confused rock wrote:complain before it’s built???

Putting the onus on the person who works in that space to be constantly vigilant against trespassers is really terrible murder hobo stuff. Service roles shouldn't get steamrolled by bored powergamers. The library and theater shouldn't be silently stripped of wood for baseball bats especially when there are abandoned offices, botany, and a community garden. Stop shitting up public areas belonging to the service department. Atmosphere is such a nice part of MRP.

You could also just write up a project plan and get the involved parties to sign off on it, get the head's stamp, and then get to work. That way you'd have several other players involved in your scheme who support your project. At the least they're allowing you to use their space without giving you any trouble, at the most they can help you drum up attention and a crowd. What was once a lone shitter messing up the bar is instead an enterprising individual being backed by the social arm of the service department. Of course in this scenario you have to either persuade reluctant parties to agree or you have to accept that a rage cage isn't happening in the bar this shift.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Qbopper » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:22 pm #539639

confused rock wrote:When we DO let everything slide, gutting one part of it with no change to the others feels like you're using it as an excuse.


except I don't think all of those things should slide and should be changed as well
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Screemonster » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:36 pm #539641

Add a holodeck ragecage program with hologrilles that only do stamina stamage instead of actual damage

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Farquaar » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:10 pm #539655

Screemonster wrote:Add a holodeck ragecage program with hologrilles that only do stamina stamage instead of actual damage

Why aren’t we funding this?

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby BeeSting12 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:55 am #539693

Because not even three tiles from the holodeck is a boxing ring with gloves that do exactly what he just described.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Qbopper » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:07 am #539694

and people will ignore both of them to build a rage cage because adding things to the game that could have been playermade is a shitty mapping trend that needs to die
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby wesoda25 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:58 am #539700

Qbopper wrote:and people will ignore both of them to build a rage cage because adding things to the game that could have been playermade is a shitty mapping trend that needs to die

Facts


Anyways rage cages should be allowed, its a great ss13 staple and can lead to a lot of fun. This just seems like pointless over-moderation, who cares if someone takes advantage of the two most ignored and un-utilized places in the game (library and theatre). This isn’t HRP, its MRP, and it perfectly captures the type of janky hijinks you would see aboard ss13.
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby bandit » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:11 am #539705

>complains about player-built things being de-prioritized
>is against rage cages which are player-built by definition

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby wesoda25 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:15 am #539707

who though
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Qbopper » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:16 am #539738

bandit wrote:>complains about player-built things being de-prioritized
>is against rage cages which are player-built by definition

nani


if this is directed at me you sort of failed at reading my posts, because that's not my position whatsoever

and besides even if I hated rage cages entirely that doesn't mean I can't think that the stupid trend of taking every gimmick people do and implementing it as a feature is stupid (because it is)
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Screemonster » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:42 am #539751

BeeSting12 wrote:Because not even three tiles from the holodeck is a boxing ring with gloves that do exactly what he just described.

the boxing gloves don't make you take stamina damage from being thrown into an electrified wall

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby dirk_mcblade » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:11 am #542675

If you were a spectator for a rage cage you'd probably want to watch the rage cage fight in a bar setting to be honest. Do you think that is sober people shit?
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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Skillywatt » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:11 pm #542685

Mrp to me means talking befor acting in most scenarios. As sec, try to talk to the assistant breaking into shit before random disablers. Try to talk to your patients as a doctor before wordlessly throwing them into cryo.

Mrp isn’t about what you can and can’t do, necessarily, as much as it is about adding flavor and interaction to the things you were already doing.

In this instance, you could ask the captain (or CE if we’re being honest since they have the station blueprints) for a permit to modify the station for a rage cage. If a lawyer is around, ask him to stamp it. If it gets denied then risk building it anyway and sec breaking it up. These things create conflict and ... role play.

MRP servers attempt to add an extra layer of potential experiences aside from simple gameplay mechanics. Your fellow players become meaningful avenues for fun and conflict besides “unga I see valid”

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Re: Rage Cages on Manuel: Completely Fine or the Evil Spawn of Satan?

Postby Copybass » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:07 pm #543339

Skillywatt wrote:If a lawyer is around, ask him to stamp it. If it gets denied then risk building it anyway and sec breaking it up. These things create conflict and ... role play.

MRP servers attempt to add an extra layer of potential experiences aside from simple gameplay mechanics. Your fellow players become meaningful avenues for fun and conflict besides “unga I see valid”


I actually had a lot of fun on Manuel showing up as a Lawyer to a Rage Cage in a bar that hadn't been properly secured and throwing the book at them with all the things they needed to change or face a fine as per the HoP, even though it just caused the engineer in question to /ghost the moment he was arrested over it.
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