[Ahammer]Executing a griefer, round 2

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:23 am #110861

Byond account and character name:Rowbutt91
Banning admin:Ahammer
Ban type (What are you banned from?):Everything
Ban reason and length:Executed the Janitor without authorization after the janitor knocked them out with morphine, has previous history of hasty exacutions. 1440 minutes
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 8 pm, PST
Your side of the story: Guy walked up and shot me full of some drug that knocked me out. It was already a very dangerous and chaotic round. There was zero context to this action, he just walked up and fired a sryinge full of knockout drugs into me. When the warden saved me, I went back, grabbed the guy from the HOS, who said something to the effect of "we saved him just for you." According to the admin, the HOS didn't authorize the execution, but not sure why that even matters. I took him to perma and beat him to death after he refused to explain himself or say anything that indicated he wasn't a total chucklefuck.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Look at the logs when I killed him, this shithead is pulling some classic banbaiting and he knows that the admins have shitheads backs. This is the second time I've been banned for killing someone who started shit with me and used a potentially lethal med bay item to incapacitate me for literally no reason whatsoever. The fact that someone can run up, try to kill you and then taunt you knowing that they're safe behind the rules shows how ridiculous this is. If he had explained there was some prior beef or something or even apologized, I probably would have just given him a couple minutes. But if someones just straight up attacking security officers and incapacitating them for no reason, I will continue to give them exactly what they deserve. My "history of executions" is about 70 percent against erpers and people who made sexual comments at my character in game, after I asked them to stop. I'm fucking sick of BOINK BOINK BOINK every time someone acts like a shithead then cries to the admins.

On top of that, 1440 minutes!!! for an action that takes someone out of the round for 15 at most is stupidly over the top.

Full logs of the entire situation:

Spoiler:

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:29 am #110863

Firstly: here are the notes pertaining to shitcurity and executions/murders on ALL of your accounts (yes, we know about those, more on that later)

Code: Select all

07-Mar-2015 | Trapped somebody outside the Gulag with no possible route of re-entry for a collection of petty crimes, seemed to be desperate to get them gone. Had a 3-day secban that was appealed and lifted afterwards. ~scones [-]
01-May-2015 | Banned for 1440 minutes - Spaced someone over a IC conflict in which they attempted to clone someone and were refused by the geneticist. After threatened he non-lethally arrested him, then spaced him afterwards. ~stickymayhem [-]
02-Aug-2015 | Warned - Executing without permission as security. ~ikarrus [-]

Based on how little the crime of the Janitor was and the fact that he didn't really make any move to harm you otherwise AND the fact that you promptly received medical treatment this crime did not warrant an execution. The HoS denies giving you permission to do so, making it an unauthorized execution in addition to an unwarranted one. You were banned this time because of that last note by Ikarrus, you have a history of doing this shit.

Secondly: You need to choose which of your three accounts you wish to keep, the others will be banned. We cant have people using three accounts. It doesn't pertain to this but if you don't choose I just pick one to keep at random.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:33 am #110865

Two of the notes were overturned, the third is because our security policy is currently stupid. The execution wasn't unjustified, I just didn't have direct permission, which keeps changing as a rule. The only thing those notes show is that I have a history of bans getting overturned.

he didn't really make any move to harm you otherwise

Oh yeah, I totally read his mind and knew that.

(yes, we know about those, more on that later)

What does it matter anyway? Stop fucking acting like "GOTCHA" because I was on a different account (that I already told someone was connected to my other accounts, good sleuthing there buddy) like I was trying to get away with something.

You already tried to ban me earlier for murdering an ERPer. I don't think this is going anywhere with you, so I request a headmin handle this.

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:37 am #110867

Do you think Im out to get you? We really cant have people running around with multiple keys, and I'm still going to remove two if you don't choose one.

I'll hand this over to a headmin, otherwise, Im not lifting it.

EDIT: I Apologize for my 'GOTCHA' attitude. I honestly have nothing personally wrong with you, only what you did last round.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:40 am #110869

Ahammer18 wrote:Do you think Im out to get you? We really cant have people running around with multiple keys, and I'm still going to remove two if you don't choose one.

I'll hand this over to a headmin, otherwise, Im not lifting it.

Since the exact wording of the execution rules are so important to you, could you also point me to the rule where I'm required to have only one account even if I have never ban evaded?

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:45 am #110870

The sheer number of notes you have on your account, Roadhog1, makes it very suspicious that you would jump ship and all of the sudden start using another key.

Also, 1440 minutes is standard for murder.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:47 am #110871

Ahammer18 wrote:The sheer number of notes you have on your account, Roadhog1, makes it very suspicious that you would jump ship and all of the sudden start using another key.

Because people like you just look and notes and don't bother to read them, or remove them after the ban is overturned.

There is no rule against changing accounts, and again, because WERE ALL THE ABOUT THE WORDING OF RULES NOW, and it's not against the rules, guess what? I'll use whatever account I choose too.

I'd happily listen to that request to keep everything on one account under different circumstances, but if you guys want to be rule nazis, I'll play that game too.

Also, I thought it was established that simply having notes isn't an offense. I've been playing for years, so what?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:50 am #110873

Was Brayden Hujsak the HoS?

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:50 am #110874

Saegrimr wrote:Was Brayden Hujsak the HoS?

Yes.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:50 am #110875

Then i'm lifting this.

Brayden Hujsak says, "Take em laura"
Brayden Hujsak says, "Saved him for you"

It was authorized.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:51 am #110877

Saegrimr wrote:Then i'm lifting this.

Brayden Hujsak says, "Take em laura"
Brayden Hujsak says, "Saved him for you"

It was authorized.

Thank you.

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:52 am #110878

Okay, clearly this was in error, the HoS completely denied it. I should have listened to you, miscommunication. Sorry about that.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:52 am #110879

Please remove the two notes from the overturned bans from before too please.

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:53 am #110880

Sure thing, sorry about the mixup.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:54 am #110882

rdght91 wrote:Please remove the two notes from the overturned bans from before too please.

Already done.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:55 am #110885

I was the one to first took note of your alt accounts. It's nothing but a headache for us normally and depending on the circumstances, you can keep the alt or have some of them perma'd, being forced to use one account. One circumstance that is usually taken into account is note history. If someone has a bad history of notes, we force them to use one account so they can't escape their past. At the time I was looking up Alts, I was doing a full sweep of the server and didn't bother checking for notes at the time. Either way, the reason you have the other two accounts isn't great is I remember. Something like "Are they a problem..?" and the general rule is, if you aren't a problem with them, no and if you are, then yes. Either way, it's annoying for us. Just my statement on it. This applies to anyone with an alt, not just you.

Ban seems to be retracted though but alts are alts.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:45 am #110897

NikNakFlak wrote:I was the one to first took note of your alt accounts. It's nothing but a headache for us normally and depending on the circumstances, you can keep the alt or have some of them perma'd, being forced to use one account. One circumstance that is usually taken into account is note history. If someone has a bad history of notes, we force them to use one account so they can't escape their past. At the time I was looking up Alts, I was doing a full sweep of the server and didn't bother checking for notes at the time. Either way, the reason you have the other two accounts isn't great is I remember. Something like "Are they a problem..?" and the general rule is, if you aren't a problem with them, no and if you are, then yes. Either way, it's annoying for us. Just my statement on it. This applies to anyone with an alt, not just you.

Ban seems to be retracted though but alts are alts.

I'll stay on this current (rowbutt) account, and if I switch accounts in the future, I'll notify staff. Don't want to be difficult.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:52 am #110899

Please don't switch accounts in the future, if you chose to stay on the rowbutt account, the other two will be permabanned and you'll receive a permaban if you change accounts again.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:54 am #110902

NikNakFlak wrote:Please don't switch accounts in the future, if you chose to stay on the rowbutt account, the other two will be permabanned and you'll receive a permaban if you change accounts again.

...that's not a rule.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:00 am #110905

It's happening, and it's been happening for awhile. It's not a rule and you aren't breaking a rule, but your also not being restricted from playing, you're just being told to stay to one account so we can properly keep track of you. Making a new account to avoid notes and history is bullshit.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:01 am #110906

*cough* Rule 0.

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