[Ahammer18] Goymaster123 - CID randomizer

[goymaster123]

Byond account and character name: Goymaster123
Banning admin: Ahammer18
Ban type (What are you banned from?): server ban
Ban reason and length: perma, cid randomizer
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2015-8-11 21:51:58
Your side of the story: So apparently I still had this, I was fucking around with it on a couple of private servers with friends, and reinstalling didn't remove it.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I've played on this server since like, 2013 and I've never had any intention of ban evading. I really didn't even know I still had this thing.

[Vekter]

Ahammer placed like 20 of these bans and then bailed because muh drama. I'm not touching it (bias and all) but I'll get someone to look at it.

[TechnoAlchemist]

NikNak and Goymaster are talking it over in #supportbus

[Scones]

Resolved in supportbus.

Spoiler:

* goym (~qwebirc@Rizon-9AB2486D.cpe.cableone.net) has joined
<goym> Hey
<goym> hotalbravolima scones technoalchemist ausops niknakflak
<goym> https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4448
<NikNakFlak> oh
<NikNakFlak> yea
<NikNakFlak> but
<NikNakFlak> even without that it looks like your permaban evading
<goym> I've played since like
<TechnoAlchemist> oh?
<goym> 2013
<NikNakFlak> ...and?
<goym> consistantly
<goym> for like
<goym> 2 years?
<NikNakFlak> I looked into your account even before the CID randomizer ban
<NikNakFlak> and two more accounts popped up
<goym> for what?
<NikNakFlak> one of them an active permaban
<goym> what other account
<NikNakFlak> dont know, dont remember
<goym> the only other account I can remeber having is sunbeans
<goym> which was like, 4 years ago
<goym> and not banned as far as I know
<NikNakFlak> is sunbeans3 not you
<goym> is he?
<goym> I only had sunbeans
<NikNakFlak> This is my "I believe you face" .___.
<NikNakFlak> however that isnt the account in question
<goym> I'm telling you
<goym> I've only had like, 3 accounts
<goym> goymaster, sunbeans, and like
<goym> one other
<NikNakFlak> whats the third other
<NikNakFlak> and I cant just not believe that sunbeans3 is not the same as sunbeans
<goym> when was the last time I connected on sb3
<goym> I haven't used that username for like
<goym> 2 years
<goym> or something extensive like that
<NikNakFlak> last connections in 2013
<NikNakFlak> same for sunbeans
<goym> well, there you go
<goym> I really don't even remember sb3 existing
<NikNakFlak> thats not the account in question
<goym> what account are you talking about dude
<NikNakFlak> well firstly
<NikNakFlak> the other account is euphoricman
<NikNakFlak> sunbeans, sunbeans3, and euphoricman all have sporadic CID connections, never a stagnant one
<goym> Yeah that's me I think
<goym> what's he banned for?
<NikNakFlak> the goymaster account has
<NikNakFlak> mostly the same thing
<NikNakFlak> except it finally got a stagnant CID
<NikNakFlak> after
<goym> stagnant cid?
<goym> wait
<goym> no
<goym> that was touch
<NikNakFlak> 2 months
<NikNakFlak> you played for two months with a random CID on the goymaster account
<goym> Yeah, I reinstalled byond
<goym> I really don't understand how I still have it
<NikNakFlak> reinstalling byond should have nothing to do with it
<goym> wait
<NikNakFlak> anyway, the euphoricman account is permabanned
<goym> Yeah I completely reinstalled windows
<goym> I don't even know how it was still on my computer
<NikNakFlak> again
<NikNakFlak> know what was
<goym> and, I don't think I'm euphoricman
<NikNakFlak> your program that randomizes CIDs?
<goym> I think that was touchtablet
<goym> yeah
<goym> found it on digg
<goym> tgstation subreddit or something
<NikNakFlak> There is no touchtablet account
<goym> Yeah, he's a guy I used to skype with
<goym> I don't remember his cid
<goym> not cid
<goym> his byond key
<NikNakFlak> lando?
<goym> maxx?
<goym> or something
<goym> should have been his key
<goym> not lando
<goym> lando was one of his friends though
<NikNakFlak> that tells me nothing
<goym> what?
<goym> I only talked to touch for a couple of months
<NikNakFlak> Heres what I can tell you
<NikNakFlak> all of these accounts mentioned all used this CID randomizer
<NikNakFlak> every single one
<NikNakFlak> sunbeans3 has no information connection to your other accounts because on top of using the CID randomizer, it only connected to the servers through proxys
<NikNakFlak> and the only reason I made the connection is because I remembered the account
<goym> proxy?
<NikNakFlak> False
<NikNakFlak> IP
<goym> How do you even use a proxy on byond
<NikNakFlak> bullshit
<goym> what
<NikNakFlak> I dont really believe what you are saying
<goym> I know for a fact I have a dynamic ip
<NikNakFlak> you dont!
<goym> if that's what you mean
<goym> what
<goym> it changes every once in a while
<goym> so, yeah
<goym> I have a dynamic ip
<NikNakFlak> Its never changed ever!
<goym> err, yes it does
<goym> I have to reset noip for my servers
<goym> so, yes
<goym> it does
<NikNakFlak> Your goym account
<NikNakFlak> has connected from three IPs
<goym> yes
<NikNakFlak> and they are all different locations
<NikNakFlak> meaning its not the same IP address
<NikNakFlak> and they are all
<goym> because my isp is garbage
<NikNakFlak> stagnant
<NikNakFlak> bullshit
<goym> what does stagnant mean
<NikNakFlak> ISP's have a range
<Saegrimr> I think he means static
<NikNakFlak> stagnant and static mean the same thing technically I guess static is the proper term
<NikNakFlak> it means not moving
<goym> my ip says I'm next to whitewater right now
<goym> I live in arizona.
<NikNakFlak> same
<Scones> same
<NikNakFlak> and the other two IPs come from idaho and missouri
<goym> yeah
<goym> I can take a picture
<goym> I live in prescott
* NikNakFlak shrugs.
<NikNakFlak> did you from idaho
<goym> http://puu.sh/jCeG4/dfab9cf7fc.jpg
<goym> I have cableone
<NikNakFlak> and it says its from idaho
<goym> which has weird dns shit
<goym> I've had problems with is recently
<NikNakFlak> ok IP aside
<NikNakFlak> sorry ok your IP is fine i was only reading the top reading thing
<NikNakFlak> they all originate in arizona
<NikNakFlak> the problem is
<NikNakFlak> sunbeans3 connected through VPNs or proxies, all of the accounts ever have used the CID randomizer
<goym> Yeah, I got it a long time ago
<NikNakFlak> and your IP connects to the euphoric account
<goym> I didn't even know I had it
<NikNakFlak> and because your CID never really stagnanted, it's hard as fuck to tell if it's you or not
<goym> I don't think that euphoric is me
<NikNakFlak> what proof do we have
<goym> I got rid of the cid randomizer a while ago
<goym> so it shouldn't be in use anymore
<NikNakFlak> earlier this year apparently
<NikNakFlak> why use it at all
<goym> yeah, I reinstalled windows around that time
<NikNakFlak> windows has nothing to do with it
<goym> I was fucking around on private servers with touch
<goym> and lando
<goym> no, no
<goym> that's when I got rid of it
<NikNakFlak> that explanation means nothing to us
<NikNakFlak> fucking around on a private server does not mean you need to scramble your CID
<goym> well, what do you need to know?
<NikNakFlak> like, they have zero correlation
<goym> yeah, he banned me for slipping him or something
<NikNakFlak> ._______________________________. Here's that face again
<goym> I don't know man, this was like
<goym> 3 years ago?
<NikNakFlak> technically two
<goym> still hard for me to remember dude
<NikNakFlak> but the problem is you used the CID randomizer up into this year
<goym> Yeah, I thought I had gotten rid of it
<goym> but apparently not
<NikNakFlak> what proof do we have that you are telling the truth
<goym> if you want me to, I can create a new byond key
<NikNakFlak> why that doesn't change anything
<goym> And, I've played on this account for a long ass time
<NikNakFlak> 1 year is not a long ass time
<goym> Well, you'll see that I have the same cid
<goym> it is when you're playing consistantly
<goym> I think that shows that I'm honest about this
<NikNakFlak> that litterly doesn't change anything about the reasons you used it in the first place
<goym> I told you man
<goym> like
<goym> 2 years
<goym> 2 people on a private server for one day
<goym> I only remember what happened vaguely
<NikNakFlak> and what accounts did you use to evade your "friends" ban
<NikNakFlak> this is very important to verify your story
<goym> what
<NikNakFlak> you said
<NikNakFlak> you used the CID randomizer
<goym> I've been on this account for a long ass time
<goym> this account
<NikNakFlak> it was made last year
<goym> I think
<NikNakFlak> it coudnt even be used two years ago
<goym> no idea
<NikNakFlak> ok so heres the deal
<goym> I only got back into ss13 in like
<goym> late 2014
<NikNakFlak> first
<NikNakFlak> hmm
<goym> can I use a new cid
<goym> ckey
<goym> not cid
<NikNakFlak> I already said that woudn't erase the reasons you used the CID randomizer in the first place
<goym> my current one looks immature
<goym> is why I want a new one
<NikNakFlak> you have litterly offered zero explanation to us and the one story you gave me
<NikNakFlak> doesn't add up at all
<goym> I really don't remember
* NikNakFlak shrugs.
<goym> I can't remember
<NikNakFlak> You have the most suspicious as fuck history what do you want from us
<Jordie> what is this inquisition even going on about
<goym> like, I remember I was fucking around
<goym> on a private server
<NikNakFlak> proxys, CID randomizers, your story doesn't even add up to the private server claim
<goym> with a couple of friends
<goym> and, I don't know about the proxies
<goym> Like, I don't even remember sunbeans 3
<goym> I used to have a vpn that I used for skype
<NikNakFlak> does the same thing
<goym> when skype still had tons of issues
<goym> like resolving
<NikNakFlak> you said you used the CID randomzier to evade your friends bans
<goym> yes
<NikNakFlak> when he banned you from the private server
<goym> I was certain I got rid of it
<goym> Maybe I deleted the wrong dll?
<NikNakFlak> none of the accounts are even made on the same date or were used one after another really
<goym> I had a cid randomizer on, did I not?
<NikNakFlak> and?
<goym> I don't know?
<goym> Like, I don't understand what you mean by that
<goym> I understand that it looks suspicious, but I've played for a long while without any real issues
<goym> so that should tell you that I'm telling the truth
<NikNakFlak> If you truly used an account to evade, it would use a new CID and IP and new ckey to evade the ban, you would need to see a CID, IP and ckey change suddenly after the old one got banned. Now, the only account thats "yours" that is old enough to accomidate this fact is the sunbeans3 account which if your friend wasnt retarded, thats not really evading since the identity is a complete give away
<NikNakFlak> now if you remove the human aspect from it, the evasion would work
<goym> one second let me read
<NikNakFlak> and the story matches up with the sunbeans3 account using alternative information to connect to the account
<NikNakFlak> but thats implying someone is a retarded monkey
<goym> I didn't graduate the 9th grade dude I need a second
<goym> wait
<goym> if I used a new account to evade
<goym> it would give me a new ip?
<goym> what
<goym> I didn't even log into tg with the ban evade account
<goym> i think
<NikNakFlak> I thought you only had three accounts
<goym> I used sunbeans a long ass time ago
<NikNakFlak> whats the ckey of the one that didnt log in then
<goym> then I used goymaster when I wanted to play byond again
<goym> I don't remeber
<goym> I think it was like
<goym> oreo or something
<NikNakFlak> then we can't really confirm the story is true or I'm being given a line of crap
<goym> it was soemthing stupid
<NikNakFlak> oreospeedwagon??
<goym> I'm sorry but I really can't remember what you want
<goym> no
<goym> not that
<goym> I don't know dude
<goym> it was years ago
<goym> I have a terrible memory as it is
<goym> recalling shit like that is impossible
<NikNakFlak> well, we just see suspicious as fuck shit, I mean I run this database stuff all the time and I'm use to being lied to so I only assume the worst when I see all this garbage
<NikNakFlak> that being said
<NikNakFlak> you can't prove your story in anyway, but the only thing that really ties you down to a permaban for not just random suspcious shit is the IP link to this perma'd account
<NikNakFlak> now that being said, an IP link is not super concrete
<NikNakFlak> and as you said, it could be a friend
<NikNakFlak> but we cant really prove the database story or your story
<goym> well, what do you suggest i do?
<NikNakFlak> let me check something
<NikNakFlak> okie
<NikNakFlak> hmm
<NikNakFlak> Here at /tg/ unless your a known shitter we don't like to permaban people without 100% CONCRETE EVIDUNCE! DUN DUN DUN. That being said, all this suspicious as fucking shit, just makes you that, suspicious as fucking shit with a dodgy as fuck connection history and shifty as fuck connections but it only makes you a red flag.
<NikNakFlak> I cant really confirm anything.
<MrStonedOne> NikNakFlak, check the ip use times. if they didn't use the same ip around the same month, its unlikely to be a proper match
<NikNakFlak> hmm
<NikNakFlak> its around the same time
<NikNakFlak> same days more or less
<goym> ?
<NikNakFlak> same server (server 2) as well
<MrStonedOne> alright, that doesn't prove anything, but doesn't disprove anything...
<NikNakFlak> exactly my point
<NikNakFlak> so as I was saying
<NikNakFlak> we dont really permaban people for being dodgy especially if you haven't used these other accounts for shittyness in game
<NikNakFlak> that being said, all your shit is on the goymaster account, fair amount of notes etc.
<Jordie> niknak your point thus far is "you're kinda dodgy and here at tg we don't like to ban people for being dodgy"
<goym> well, for piddling shit mostly
<NikNakFlak> Exactly my point jordie
<MrStonedOne> one second while i review the facts
<NikNakFlak> we dont like to permaban people for having dodgy connection histories without a concrete link
<goym> I saw my notes a while back
<Jordie> so he was banned because?
<goym> it was like
<NikNakFlak> an explanation
<goym> critting a chemist
<goym> err
<NikNakFlak> we just permabanned anyone with over 200 CIDs
<MrStonedOne> Jordie, he was banned to get him to explain the use of the randomizer... this is deciding if he reminds bans...
<NikNakFlak> and asked for an explanation
<MrStonedOne> remains banned(
<MrStonedOne> *
<NikNakFlak> review my facts
<NikNakFlak> basically it boiled down to
<NikNakFlak> "look at all this dodgy shit"
<NikNakFlak> "Heres an explanation that you cant prove and i cant prove and I dont remember shit"
<NikNakFlak> :3
<goym> it was 2 years ago what do you want
<NikNakFlak> nothing
<NikNakFlak> once mso reviews everything
<NikNakFlak> you'll probably get unbanned due to
<goym> I'm not exactly the kind of person who keeps their clipped tonails in jars
<NikNakFlak> <NikNakFlak> we dont like to permaban people for having dodgy connection histories without a concrete link
<NikNakFlak> ok everything looks good
<NikNakFlak> your being unbanned for the above reason
<goym> thanks
<NikNakFlak> stop being shitty in-game though or a permaban may be close by
<goym> Alright
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<NikNakFlak> coolio beanio