[saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
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[saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Byond account and character name: Reddyy, was playing as wiggles
Banning admin:saegramir
Ban type (What are you banned from?):playing
Ban reason and length:24 hours for "being a shitass" (dragging bz cannisters to the bar and a hall and opening them)
Time ban was placed (including time zone):2016-09-14 11:16:16 "server time" (what it says on the byond connection screen when i try to connect
Your side of the story:I don't feel I was in the wrong at ALL, i know it's not a really long ban but I'd still like to appeal with my side and either set the record straight to take this smear of my name, or come away learning why I was wrong enough to be banned for "shitass". Will supply screencaps.
Started the early morning lowpop shift as the clown, went to the head of personel for "one all access, please!" it was a hard no but he offered atmos/air canister access to "flood the corridors with laughing gas and hallucinogens." "that's a pretty good prank" said the bossman, and personally I agree. But rather than put it into the air system and be a real poo-head, I went down and dragged the big obvious purple BZ canister out into a hall for anyone to space or otherwise close if found, opened it, and left it in a hall. went to the bar and barman told me to watch my ass in his bar, I made nice and said hey we both work here be cool, in fact I have an idea for our clients. came back with canister number two and clear as day showed him and asked him if he was ready. he was all aboard so I took us to a trip to maaaaaaaars duuuude (opened it in the bar, with barkeep's ok and hop's knowledge). Internals or dragging it off would have solved it, as well as beating the clown for his japery. Fast forward a bit I get boinked and eventually banned. I've seen way worse shit pass for "pranks" and so have you. Was admin involvement/banning really called for?
Why you think you should be unbanned: I feel like it's way too much of a punishment for what was done considering the circumstances/job.
image note: hanz is the barkeep, arnaud is the HoP, wiggles is me. I don't have screencaps of all messages sent between me and saegramir, just the last bit sadly.
Banning admin:saegramir
Ban type (What are you banned from?):playing
Ban reason and length:24 hours for "being a shitass" (dragging bz cannisters to the bar and a hall and opening them)
Time ban was placed (including time zone):2016-09-14 11:16:16 "server time" (what it says on the byond connection screen when i try to connect
Your side of the story:I don't feel I was in the wrong at ALL, i know it's not a really long ban but I'd still like to appeal with my side and either set the record straight to take this smear of my name, or come away learning why I was wrong enough to be banned for "shitass". Will supply screencaps.
Started the early morning lowpop shift as the clown, went to the head of personel for "one all access, please!" it was a hard no but he offered atmos/air canister access to "flood the corridors with laughing gas and hallucinogens." "that's a pretty good prank" said the bossman, and personally I agree. But rather than put it into the air system and be a real poo-head, I went down and dragged the big obvious purple BZ canister out into a hall for anyone to space or otherwise close if found, opened it, and left it in a hall. went to the bar and barman told me to watch my ass in his bar, I made nice and said hey we both work here be cool, in fact I have an idea for our clients. came back with canister number two and clear as day showed him and asked him if he was ready. he was all aboard so I took us to a trip to maaaaaaaars duuuude (opened it in the bar, with barkeep's ok and hop's knowledge). Internals or dragging it off would have solved it, as well as beating the clown for his japery. Fast forward a bit I get boinked and eventually banned. I've seen way worse shit pass for "pranks" and so have you. Was admin involvement/banning really called for?
Why you think you should be unbanned: I feel like it's way too much of a punishment for what was done considering the circumstances/job.
image note: hanz is the barkeep, arnaud is the HoP, wiggles is me. I don't have screencaps of all messages sent between me and saegramir, just the last bit sadly.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
We should just remove BZ if it's bannable to touch while not antag and not destructive enough to warrant using as one.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
It doesn't involve valids so it's bannable kor
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I don't know why anybody thought an invisible grief gas would be okay in the first place.Kor wrote:We should just remove BZ if it's bannable to touch while not antag and not destructive enough to warrant using as one.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
yeah. no one in-game that i saw at least seemed to care enough to complain or lynch me, or do anything about the canisters. i was baffled when it got me boinked.Kor wrote:We should just remove BZ if it's bannable to touch while not antag and not destructive enough to warrant using as one.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
But N2O doesn't hurt anybody, just put on internals. Why does everybody freak out when the AI starts flooding it?
Plasma doesn't do any lasting damage, just ban the first person to walk in there with a lit cigarette.
I don't see why anybody would think randomly stunning the station with an invisible hallucinogen is a funny nonantag prank honk honk.
Remove BZ, it's an even dumber idea than Freon and I have no idea why its lasted this long.
Plasma doesn't do any lasting damage, just ban the first person to walk in there with a lit cigarette.
I don't see why anybody would think randomly stunning the station with an invisible hallucinogen is a funny nonantag prank honk honk.
Remove BZ, it's an even dumber idea than Freon and I have no idea why its lasted this long.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
i haven't personally seen bz kill anyone. drop them sure, but never lasting damage. but i can see your point saegramir
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Please remove BZ. I have never seen it contribute anything positive to a round for anyone, outside of a few giggles for whatever dickhead who thinks that releasing it is funny
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Straight up daybanning them without even talking to them seems incredibly counter productive, I really don't see why this had to be a dayban with zero conversation or even trying to tell him that releasing that gas is apparently on the level of "shit you are not allowed to do" that outright random FNR murder is. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been bwoinked necessarily, but I don't think this deserved a dayban like that
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Is it really not that obvious that flooding large portions of the station with invisible hallucinogenic gas that frequently stuns and disrupts everything is a bad thing?
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I don't think it's immediately obvious that it's as bad as murder, and you can at least talk to him and make sure he understands that before you kick him out
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I was the one who ahelped this (it got in the main hallways somehow) and I stand by my statement that a dayban and a lengthy clown ban for this was excessive. Especially because the HoP, who is technically the boss of the clown (LOL), egged him on.
I also ported BZ -- the key word is "ported," other servers have had this for a while -- and by that argument you might as well remove N2O or carbon dioxide (what the fuck is that)
I also ported BZ -- the key word is "ported," other servers have had this for a while -- and by that argument you might as well remove N2O or carbon dioxide (what the fuck is that)
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
At least you can SEE N2O, and somehow I don't think opening a can of CO2 in the hall would actually do anything without shutting off the scrubbers first. In which case we've gone over to "You're flooding a gas with the intent to kill people".bandit wrote:and by that argument you might as well remove N2O or carbon dioxide
If we're gonna use that argument, why do we ban people for flooding N2O or Plasma? It doesn't hurt anybody if you've got internals and you can SEE it, so you don't get the "ha ha surprise you're already fucked".
How about we just don't flood the grifgas as a nonantag? Clowns are supposed to be funny.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Getting everyone drunk on aerosal absinthe isn't funny?
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Stop enforcing your definition of humor, it's not funny.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
t. Goof "ADMIN: HELP: Random events firing are griffing me who do I direct this admin complaint at" ball
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
It is interesting to note that this stance is maintained facing disagreement coupled with (mostly) sensible arguments not only from the average forum user, but also fellow admins.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Then what's the next step here, pretend the incident never happened? That no foul gas was expelled?DemonFiren wrote:It is interesting to note that this stance is maintained facing disagreement coupled with (mostly) sensible arguments not only from the average forum user, but also fellow admins.
How about this, if this gets merged i'll even remove the note. https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20510
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
The next step is not to hand out bans, as was suggested by Shaps and Bandit.
If it bothers you so much it was suggested above you warn instead of banning.
If - and this is by no means a given - the higher-ups among the administration disagree even with warning, then it seems likely that to "pretend the incident never happened" is the only thing that can be done.
Further, your most recent comment suggests your problems lie more with the existence of BZ than any specific user of it, which it seems is a matter of taste that individuals shouldn't suffer for.
If it bothers you so much it was suggested above you warn instead of banning.
If - and this is by no means a given - the higher-ups among the administration disagree even with warning, then it seems likely that to "pretend the incident never happened" is the only thing that can be done.
Further, your most recent comment suggests your problems lie more with the existence of BZ than any specific user of it, which it seems is a matter of taste that individuals shouldn't suffer for.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
No, my problem is with atmos flooding with anything as a nonantag. BZ just happens to have the least use out of anything else available, more annoying than N2O, but somehow less of an issue than N2O?
Plus the "HoP told me to do it" isn't exactly a heartwarming tale.
Plus the "HoP told me to do it" isn't exactly a heartwarming tale.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I see that.
Given this situation, with its remarkable potential for discord among the administration, perhaps grabbing a headmin or opening a policy topic to firmly close this case might help.
Given this situation, with its remarkable potential for discord among the administration, perhaps grabbing a headmin or opening a policy topic to firmly close this case might help.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I've released BZ once as an atmos tech, i explained why i thought it was ok and i wasn't banned.
Why does this guy have to get banned when people were ok with him doing it?
Why does this guy have to get banned when people were ok with him doing it?
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Given how fucking annoying it is to deal with and how long it takes to scrub out i agree with Seag.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Well it seems like it is a gender reassignment meme. A game feature that nonantags can use which make other people mad, which can lead to a ban now.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
the head of personal, your department head, and the guy who runs the room you were in are ok with it.
Sounds ic to me especially from the clown. ban the hop for suggesting it
Sounds ic to me especially from the clown. ban the hop for suggesting it
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I did, he went and unloaded a can into the permabrig himself.MrStonedOne wrote:the head of personal, your department head, and the guy who runs the room you were in are ok with it.
Sounds ic to me especially from the clown. ban the hop for suggesting it
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Stop dodging feedback, assclown.Saegrimr wrote:t. Goof "ADMIN: HELP: Random events firing are griffing me who do I direct this admin complaint at" ball
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Have you tried hitting the contaminated setting on air alarmsWyzack wrote:Given how fucking annoying it is to deal with and how long it takes to scrub out i agree with Seag.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
You're an idiot.TheColdTurtle wrote:Well it seems like it is a gender reassignment meme. A game feature that nonantags can use which make other people mad, which can lead to a ban now.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
Now that's what I call SHITPOSTING.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
ADMIN LOG: Saegrimr/(Leif Spacerikson) has edited a ban for reddyy's reason from Flooding the bar with a BZ canister. Clowns are supposed to be funny, not shitasses. to Was the catalyst to help get a shitty meme gas removed from the game, thank you jesus.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
iamgoofball wrote: You're an idiot.
Wow rude
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Re: [saegramir]reddyy-day ban for clowning
I guess we're done here
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