Byond account and character name: Swagbringer - Jingfei Zhao
Banning admin: ausops
Ban type (What are you banned from?): head of staff roles, security roles, 3 day server ban
Ban reason and length: Killed two people as a captain after making a law saying 'being rude is illegal'. Also indirectly caused the death of another person fnr due to sec enforcing this law.
4320 minutes
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2017-07-10 17:45:33
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil I believe
Your side of the story:
This is a partial appeal based on 1) the mess the round was in 2) incomplete information.
I latejoined as Captain to find that the HoP had given a traitor clown the role of Head of security. I went to my office to tool up but found my egun had been stolen, so I took the captains gun with me. Since half of my command staff were antags I basically shit the bed and decided to institute martial law, declaring anyone who was rude or challenged me a death sentence. A miner then told me to go fuck myself and I ended up seeing him in cargo and shooting him. This was the first death. I am not appealing this one(although I believe I was in the right. an admin was paying attention to the round and had even spawned in earlier and was talking to me about a completely different topic and never mentioned my martial law so i assumed it was ok, this is another matter you can read about here https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=12056).
After killing the miner a cargo technician began trying to disarm me. As stated earlier I had no egun and had only my laser and sword on me. I was in a crit or be killed situation. I wasnt planning on having the cargotech killed but I died shortly after being chased by people so I couldnt help him. I dont have any evidence in regards to this unfortunately but I hope you can take me at face value. He tried to knock me over and take my shit and I didnt have any other option but to crit him.
Finally on the third person dying. This is the situation I cannot really understand. If my law was not permissable, then I am guilty for having killed the miner. But if that law isnt allowed, why am I being punished for what another security officer did? The admin states I wasnt allowed to institute death sentence for challenging the captain, so why should I be punished if sec does that? I didnt have the authority to do that, no more than a botanist or atmos tech has to order security to kill people. Either my word is law and killing the miner is justified or it isnt in which case the murder of the third person is on the officer himself.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I would like another admin to look into this case, due to the further info given here and and the admins state of mind at the time, as can be seen here https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=12056
[ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
- Swagbringer
- Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:08 pm
- Byond Username: Swagbringer
- captain sawrge
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
- Byond Username: Sawrge
Re: [ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
Rule 1 of the main rules apply to security. The only exception is that security is generally considered to be armed with non-lethal methods to control a situation. Therefore, where reasonably possible, security is expected to use non-lethal methods first in a conflict before escalating to lethal methods.
Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My character is insane’. Each unjustified kill is normally met with one 24 ban.
"Fuck you" isn't ever valid grounds to kill someone as a non-antagonist. You do not get to decide what does and does not constitute a death sentence.
Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My character is insane’. Each unjustified kill is normally met with one 24 ban.
"Fuck you" isn't ever valid grounds to kill someone as a non-antagonist. You do not get to decide what does and does not constitute a death sentence.
HoS armor is strong enough that the half second you are knocked down for isn't enough time to crit you. Choosing not to carry any of the plentiful non-lethal options sec has does not give you the right to start using unjustified lethal force.After killing the miner a cargo technician began trying to disarm me. As stated earlier I had no egun and had only my laser and sword on me. I was in a crit or be killed situation.
If you kill someone with a hammer, the hammer doesn't go to jail.Finally on the third person dying. This is the situation I cannot really understand. If my law was not permissable, then I am guilty for having killed the miner. But if that law isnt allowed, why am I being punished for what another security officer did? The admin states I wasnt allowed to institute death sentence for challenging the captain, so why should I be punished if sec does that? I didnt have the authority to do that, no more than a botanist or atmos tech has to order security to kill people. Either my word is law and killing the miner is justified or it isnt in which case the murder of the third person is on the officer himself.
- Swagbringer
- Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:08 pm
- Byond Username: Swagbringer
Re: [ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
As I said in my post I am not arguing the first kill, I am fine with the admins decision.
I was the captain that latejoined. The head of security was an antagonist with the entire stock of armory. I quite literally did not have any non lethal way to stop anyone as my egun and flash were stolen. I didn't want to kill the cargo tech and wasn't able to save him due to being hunted. I think it's unfair to blame me for this.
Okay for the third one if that's general policy well that's that.
Thank you for looking at this.
I was the captain that latejoined. The head of security was an antagonist with the entire stock of armory. I quite literally did not have any non lethal way to stop anyone as my egun and flash were stolen. I didn't want to kill the cargo tech and wasn't able to save him due to being hunted. I think it's unfair to blame me for this.
Okay for the third one if that's general policy well that's that.
Thank you for looking at this.
- PKPenguin321
- Site Admin
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- Byond Username: PKPenguin321
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Re: [ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
I'm going to say now that this ban should absolutely stick, but the length can be up for debate.
Mostly, my reasoning is this from logs,
Also, everything sawrge said. Especially the part about you killing somebody that disarmed you. Are you aware that disarm pretty much only does anything if you have something in your hands? The knockdown you get for like a second on occasion from it isn't enough to really do anything to you. You were not even remotely in a "crit or be killed situation." You could have just left.
Mostly, my reasoning is this from logs,
Specifically,MrStonedOne wrote:this is a more fuller picture:
Spoiler:
You can interpret this how you want, but considering you say this and then after you do you continue to argue that what you did was in the right (see full logs for that) makes it feel like you're actually gloating about the mess you made. We've banned captains for better "new rules" than yours, and a lot of them at least knew it was bad in hindsight instead of scrambling to justify creating a law that will only end in mass murder.Line 1560: [17:41:45]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i enforced the stations law (119,170,2)
Line 1570: [17:41:51]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : I AM THE LAW (119,170,2)
Line 1584: [17:42:05]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : just look at this shitshow (117,170,2)
Line 1587: [17:42:08]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : sec murdering ho (117,170,2)
Line 1589: [17:42:09]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : hop (117,170,2)
Line 1590: [17:42:11]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : a clown hos (117,170,2)
Line 1592: [17:42:14]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : its madness (117,170,2)
Also, everything sawrge said. Especially the part about you killing somebody that disarmed you. Are you aware that disarm pretty much only does anything if you have something in your hands? The knockdown you get for like a second on occasion from it isn't enough to really do anything to you. You were not even remotely in a "crit or be killed situation." You could have just left.
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i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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- Swagbringer
- Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:08 pm
- Byond Username: Swagbringer
Re: [ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
I was very angry in ghost chat it's true and I said stupid things. Security being compromised as soon as I landed put me on edge and in a bad mood from the getgo and things just I got worse, but I understand that's no excuse.
I did have my gun out at time when he started to swipe at me. I really really did not want to kill him but I choked hard and went stupid I'm sorry
I did have my gun out at time when he started to swipe at me. I really really did not want to kill him but I choked hard and went stupid I'm sorry
- imblyings
- Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:42 pm
- Byond Username: Ausops
- Location: >using suit sensors
Re: [ausops] swagbringer - head of staff and sec ban
The admin who spawned in earlier was myself. I can't pay full attention to ss13 for 6+ hours plus so I usually respond to bwoinks as I hear them. An admin being present in adminwho and not doing anything is not approval of a player's actions. It just means they haven't noticed it yet.
When you attacked the miner and the cargo tech intervened, your situation was no different from an assistant killing the hos fnr and then killing a security officer who intervenes. Self defence excuses are worthless if you were killing someone with no justification in the first place.
All bans can stay and be appealed no later than in a months time.
When you attacked the miner and the cargo tech intervened, your situation was no different from an assistant killing the hos fnr and then killing a security officer who intervenes. Self defence excuses are worthless if you were killing someone with no justification in the first place.
All bans can stay and be appealed no later than in a months time.
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