[MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
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[MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
PianoNoob/Smeggy Crumble
MortoSasye
7 Day Server Ban
There was some error in translation between whoever reported this to the mod and the events that actually transpired in the round. I was not in violation of any rules as far as I am to understand them, assuming that actions that follow from IC roleplay circumstances are permissible (ie. Prisoners rebelling against security is not "self antaging".)
"Flooded the station with plasma and n2o" is extreme hyperbole. The events that transpired were that I, the botanist, an insane old hippie burnout, was having drinks at the bar. I threw two glasses from my seat into the waste disposal behind the bar. The bartender shot me with beanbags and strangled me for several seconds then saying, as I paraphrase "fuck you, don't throw glasses." Clearly a dickish move, and my character wanted revenge. No engineering staff were anywhere to be found, and atmos had been pried open, so I walked in, grabbed a tank of N2O, and released it into an empty bar, I didn't realize the chef was still in the kitchen, so I dragged him out to botany. When I explained to the chef that "the bartender was being a dick and needed to be gassed" his thoughts on the situation were "hahahaha." The gas was filtered out moments later to nobodies distress.
Bummed that the bartender wasn't there to get gassed, I carried on with botany for a bit, but when I was was walking around to grab some food I noticed the bartender was in, so I revised my revenge scheme and scurried back to atmos, this time filling a tank with plasma. I brought it back to the bar (which was completely empty aside from the barkeep, including the kitchen and adjacent theater) and released the contents of the tank. The barkeep wasn't harmed and quickly shotgunned me again, brought me to security and I was permabrigged. After trying to talk my way out of security by buttering up officers to subvert the warden, I was told I would not be let out until a shuttle was called and arrived, to which I replied "I would rather off myself", so I depressurized brig botany and went into crit. The warden dragged me out to treat me, but did not handcuff me, as soon as I got up I pushed the warden onto a table, as I ran the warden pulled out his shotgun and began shooting me. I turned around and robusted the warden, taking his shotgun in the process, which I peppered the warden with twice while running out only to be stunned by arriving security. The warden was relatively unscathed, beat me back into crit, and quickly launched me to the slave camp where I quickly died from my wounds.
If I broke a rule here I am completely unaware of it/the rules application. The only rule I could see being misinterpreting as getting broken here is Rule 1, which reads as follows on the wiki:
"We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules."
Did I "go out of my way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification?"
No, absolutely not. Nobodies round was seriously negatively impacted or ended except my own. Everything that happened here was a natural (albeit admittedly rather bizarre, responding to attempted murder with gassing the workplace of the assailant) escalation of IC events.
"If a player wrongs you(theft, attacks, etc), you may retaliate. If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. "
I would just like to go back to being a simple spessfarmer, sharing tightly packed omega weed and gaia rollies with the crew.
MortoSasye
7 Day Server Ban
There was some error in translation between whoever reported this to the mod and the events that actually transpired in the round. I was not in violation of any rules as far as I am to understand them, assuming that actions that follow from IC roleplay circumstances are permissible (ie. Prisoners rebelling against security is not "self antaging".)
"Flooded the station with plasma and n2o" is extreme hyperbole. The events that transpired were that I, the botanist, an insane old hippie burnout, was having drinks at the bar. I threw two glasses from my seat into the waste disposal behind the bar. The bartender shot me with beanbags and strangled me for several seconds then saying, as I paraphrase "fuck you, don't throw glasses." Clearly a dickish move, and my character wanted revenge. No engineering staff were anywhere to be found, and atmos had been pried open, so I walked in, grabbed a tank of N2O, and released it into an empty bar, I didn't realize the chef was still in the kitchen, so I dragged him out to botany. When I explained to the chef that "the bartender was being a dick and needed to be gassed" his thoughts on the situation were "hahahaha." The gas was filtered out moments later to nobodies distress.
Bummed that the bartender wasn't there to get gassed, I carried on with botany for a bit, but when I was was walking around to grab some food I noticed the bartender was in, so I revised my revenge scheme and scurried back to atmos, this time filling a tank with plasma. I brought it back to the bar (which was completely empty aside from the barkeep, including the kitchen and adjacent theater) and released the contents of the tank. The barkeep wasn't harmed and quickly shotgunned me again, brought me to security and I was permabrigged. After trying to talk my way out of security by buttering up officers to subvert the warden, I was told I would not be let out until a shuttle was called and arrived, to which I replied "I would rather off myself", so I depressurized brig botany and went into crit. The warden dragged me out to treat me, but did not handcuff me, as soon as I got up I pushed the warden onto a table, as I ran the warden pulled out his shotgun and began shooting me. I turned around and robusted the warden, taking his shotgun in the process, which I peppered the warden with twice while running out only to be stunned by arriving security. The warden was relatively unscathed, beat me back into crit, and quickly launched me to the slave camp where I quickly died from my wounds.
If I broke a rule here I am completely unaware of it/the rules application. The only rule I could see being misinterpreting as getting broken here is Rule 1, which reads as follows on the wiki:
"We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules."
Did I "go out of my way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification?"
No, absolutely not. Nobodies round was seriously negatively impacted or ended except my own. Everything that happened here was a natural (albeit admittedly rather bizarre, responding to attempted murder with gassing the workplace of the assailant) escalation of IC events.
"If a player wrongs you(theft, attacks, etc), you may retaliate. If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. "
I would just like to go back to being a simple spessfarmer, sharing tightly packed omega weed and gaia rollies with the crew.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
I have the following question for you:
Why would you get other people involved in an ic conflict between you and the bartender?
Like it or not, your actions affected other players that had nothing to do with you or him. IC conflict should be kept between you and the person, not using plasma or n2o which affects others.
I'm posting from my cellphone rn, so i will check again the logs later to confirm your story.
Why would you get other people involved in an ic conflict between you and the bartender?
Like it or not, your actions affected other players that had nothing to do with you or him. IC conflict should be kept between you and the person, not using plasma or n2o which affects others.
I'm posting from my cellphone rn, so i will check again the logs later to confirm your story.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
Alright, I had a bit of a looksy here and passed it on, and was asked to put what I found into the appeal
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... attack.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... 8/game.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... attack.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... 8/game.txt
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
I did not, aside from the chef who was n2o'd momentarily but ultimately seemed to be amused by the whole thing. Atmos was functioning at the time and the server population was dwindling, I hadn't really seen anyone but a borg around bar/botany in a while.MortoSasye wrote: Why would you get other people involved in an ic conflict between you and the bartender?
But ultimately, no rule was broken. Even if someone came to minor harm by passing through the n2o or plasma I would've apologized, explained, and would've done my best to rectify, as with the chef. Conflicts aren't always clean affairs, sometimes bystanders get punched, hit with a disabler beam, shoved, etc.
Yes, it was a foolish thing to do. But was it in any way to the detriment of any players round besides the conflicter/conflictee? Absolutely not.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
No engineers were around at all at round start, needed a multitool to hack the seed dispenser.Fatal wrote:
For some reason you break into engineering quite early on
[2019-03-29 07:58:38.564] ATTACK: Lotion Abuse/(Barry Lotionion) has grabbed PianoNoob/(Smeggy Crumble) neck grab (NEWHP: 90) (Bar (129, 125, 2))Fatal wrote: This is where the bar fight starts
Bartender throws you out
[2019-03-29 07:58:53.623] ATTACK: Lotion Abuse/(Barry Lotionion) has thrown PianoNoob/(Smeggy Crumble) grab from tile in Bar (129, 126, 2) towards tile at Command Hallway (122, 126, 2) (NEWHP: 90) (Bar (129, 126, 2))
certainly worth noting he was choking me for 15 seconds before throwing me out
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Here's the chef, the only person affected by this, laughing about it.Fatal wrote: Some time passes, but then:
[2019-03-29 08:03:13.510] ADMIN: PianoNoob/(Smeggy Crumble) opened a canister that contains the following at Bar (134, 128, 2):
[2019-03-29 08:03:13.510] ADMIN: Nitrous Oxide: 1871.71 moles.
[2019-03-29 08:04:17.816] SAY: Dingo_Dongler/(John Mosten) "Hahaha" (Hydroponics (132, 115, 2))
Yes, I had not gotten revenge on the bartender for attacking me.And then after all that, I guess you go back to the bar to plasma it
Is it not permissible for a prisoner to try to talk his way out of permabrig?And then the healthy discussion with security
And again, what rule was broken throughout this chain of events?
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
The answer to your question of which rule was broken is rule 1.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules#Main ... thing_else
Don't involve other people in your conflicts, keep it between you two.
Now, for the warden:
You state that he attacked you first, correct? But the attack logs show otherwise: You attacked him first after he saved you, which makes you once again the instigator of this conflict:
Logs from: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... attack.txt
Under normal circumstances i would have ruled this as an ic conflict, however your actions during this round were extremely close to self antagging. Releasing n2o and plasma because of a conflict you had with one person, and then attacking the person who was trying to save you are both dick moves, which are against rule 1.
However, i will reduce this ban to two days instead of a week, and hope that you refrain from commiting this sort of actions in the future.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules#Main ... thing_else
You started a stupid fight with the bartender, which made you the instigator in this conflict. I wouldn't have cared for this as long as you remembered the escalation rules, which you apparently did not; releasing n2o and plasma because of a conflict you had with only a bartender is a dick move that gets others involved like it or not. In fact, one of the tickets that was sent that round wasn't even from him, but another player complaining of your actions multiple times.1. Don't be a dick.
We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
Don't involve other people in your conflicts, keep it between you two.
Now, for the warden:
You state that he attacked you first, correct? But the attack logs show otherwise: You attacked him first after he saved you, which makes you once again the instigator of this conflict:
Logs from: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... attack.txt
Spoiler:
However, i will reduce this ban to two days instead of a week, and hope that you refrain from commiting this sort of actions in the future.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
Nobody else was harmed by the plasma or n2o, but I see that it's theoretically possible for large collateral damage. I suppose this is something of a grey area, as the station was empty in the area. The conflict was entirely between us two. Nobody was negatively affected by the n2o or plasma. I have no idea who this other player is who reported me is, but as you've seen in the logs, nobody else was affected.
And to be clear, is it not a prisoners prerogative to try to escape prison? I don't quite understand that it would be unacceptable to try to break out of prison. Seems extremely bizarre from a roleplay perspective, to say the least.
And again, I'm still not aware of anyone I "seriously negatively impacted or ended the round for with little IC justification."
Regardless, thank you for the reduction.
And to be clear, is it not a prisoners prerogative to try to escape prison? I don't quite understand that it would be unacceptable to try to break out of prison. Seems extremely bizarre from a roleplay perspective, to say the least.
And again, I'm still not aware of anyone I "seriously negatively impacted or ended the round for with little IC justification."
Regardless, thank you for the reduction.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
As the reporting party here, I'd like to note that he didn't just release a small amount of plasma that was "filtered out moments later" it burned down the bar, the theatre, the kitchen, a portion of bar maint and the connected hallway to bar. As for the conflict with the warden, smeggy crumbles had critted himself on the grilles in permabrig while the warden investigated both sides of the story, and retrieved smeggy before he died, and decided to heal him up. Smeggy attacks him, the warden pulls his shotgun and gets pushed onto the table, smeggy immediately tries to gun him down but forgets to rack a second, allowing the warden to get some distance while being shot at by angry who is full on kill mode here, who is then flashbanged and subsequently put down moments before unrelated griefer #2 BOH bombs the brig. I was observing this entire round, and I can personally say this was in no way any attempt to adhere to escalation policy at all.
EDIT: I should mention for what the information is worth that the plasma in question was made in Atmos via the main plasma tank and heated up. In no way was this supposed to be only destructive towards the bartender.
EDIT: I should mention for what the information is worth that the plasma in question was made in Atmos via the main plasma tank and heated up. In no way was this supposed to be only destructive towards the bartender.
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Re: [MortoSasye] PianoNoob - Ban Appeal
I'm not sure what exactly I did to you to have you come on here and half-fabricate a story about me. I'm sorry for your little narrative, but the logs have been posted in this thread. You can see the fire was quickly extinguished in the bar, and as I said the n2o was quickly filtered out and no negative affect on any player.
The logs sadly don't reflect on when I filled the tank with plasma, but it was done very quickly. I noticed the bartender was at the bar passing down the hallway, I ran into atmos, grabbed an empty yellow tank, popped the connector off the ground, popped off the plasma out pipe, hooked up the connector, hooked up the tank (I believe it filled to about ~4000kPa before I pulled it off), maxed the release pressure, and dragged it directly to the center of the bar where I opened it. Only the bartender was anywhere near the area at the time. If my motives were ulterior then why was no damage caused outside of the bar area? If I was intending to be destructive to something other than the bartender, why would I not simply just do that? If I ever had the desire to just greytide grief the server I would've hooked plasma into distro while I was in atmos, or sabotage supermatter.. Absolute hogwash.
Here's where your story really deviates from reality: Yes, I instigated the fight with the warden (as a prisoner with the chance of escape should?), I pushed him until he was down and punched him 3 times hoping to prolong his down-time. I ran to the infirmary doors, where the warden shot me with his shotgun, I turned around and pushed him over, taking the shotgun and HITTING HIM WITH THE SHOTGUN, not executing him, not shooting him in close quarters, then I ran out of the infirmary while he was down. As he pursued I fired 2 long-range shotgun shots at him from a combat shotgun (no need to rack another round! it's semi-automatic!) to slow him down, I STOPPED SHOOTING and continued to run for the brigs entrance. I was very clearly not "angry" and "full on kill mode here", and I was stunned by the wardens disabler as I ran. There was no flashbang or anything of the sort. As you can clearly see, the logs don't lie.
I have no idea what compels you to lie on reports, I mostly keep to myself when I play so I find it hard to believe that I've wronged you in any way. Perhaps you are a compulsive liar.
In any case, I can't imagine it's exactly smiled upon to lie on reports here. Very dickish behavior. I suggest you try to be more honest in the future.
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Here's where your story really deviates from reality: Yes, I instigated the fight with the warden (as a prisoner with the chance of escape should?), I pushed him until he was down and punched him 3 times hoping to prolong his down-time. I ran to the infirmary doors, where the warden shot me with his shotgun, I turned around and pushed him over, taking the shotgun and HITTING HIM WITH THE SHOTGUN, not executing him, not shooting him in close quarters, then I ran out of the infirmary while he was down. As he pursued I fired 2 long-range shotgun shots at him from a combat shotgun (no need to rack another round! it's semi-automatic!) to slow him down, I STOPPED SHOOTING and continued to run for the brigs entrance. I was very clearly not "angry" and "full on kill mode here", and I was stunned by the wardens disabler as I ran. There was no flashbang or anything of the sort. As you can clearly see, the logs don't lie.
Spoiler:
I have no idea what compels you to lie on reports, I mostly keep to myself when I play so I find it hard to believe that I've wronged you in any way. Perhaps you are a compulsive liar.
In any case, I can't imagine it's exactly smiled upon to lie on reports here. Very dickish behavior. I suggest you try to be more honest in the future.
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