Character name: Cristopher Power
Ban type: Server/Role
Ban length: 3 Days/Permanent
Ban reason: Executed and stripped an arrested player because an admin spawned mob interferred briefly with their arrest. Killed this player behind brig doors where the mob could no longer reasonably interfere. Thought the mob had god mode. This does not excuse unjustifiably murdering another member of the crew. Argued it was "let them go or kill them [the arrested crewmember they murdered]".
Time ban was placed: 2022-07-18 02:13:09
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 186829
Your side of the story:
I'm SEC, it's tramstation. The mime invades the brig early-ish in the round, attacks me, manages to steal my baton. She then continues to try to attack me despite having every opportunity to escape. I'm on the lower floor near the permabrig entrance throughout this, I'll take a few shots at the mime as it advances with the stunbaton and then retreats. I move on to tossing flashbangs when I run out of disabler charge. Again, this is when I'm at the bottom of the stairs and the mime is ducking up and down them trying to get close enough to stun me between shots, and could easily leave without me being able to pursue. This goes on for about a minute before I figure out I can just hide inside the actual permabrig entrance and do just that. I emphasize the mime repeatedly coming after me for over a minute despite being able to escape with my stolen baton because it's very clearly evidence the mime is an actual antagonist trying to kill me rather than just the "usual" shitter who invades the brig to attack SEC and steal stuff.
To give some sense of the length of the attack:
. . . (bunch of stuff omitted)01:29:46 ATTACK Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) has fired at Helplesscrane/(Augur) with the disabler beam from Brig (NEWHP: 88)
Several minutes later I catch the mime in the tram tunnels and disable it nonlethally. While I'm dragging the uninjured mime back to the brig to be processed, the red amogus that's been running around and generally getting in the way grabs the mime from me and attempts to run off with it. I manage to grab the mime back from it before it can escape and continue to drag the mime to the brig while the amogus pursues. As AS's note concedes and the in-game logs confirm I thought it was some sort of admin-spawned unkillable meme mob with borg-style go anywhere access. I'd certainly seen them all over the station and couldn't recall any of them ever dying so I had assumed they were unkillable. My disabler bolts obviously had zero effect on this one and I had no lethal ranged weapon to stop it even if I had known that was possible.01:30:35 ATTACK Helplesscrane/(Augur) has stun attacked Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 48.4)
Since I've got a very good reason to believe the mime is an antagonist by this point, and there's an as far as I know unkillable and unstoppable admin meme mob trying to interfere in the round and drag the mime away that I have no way of stopping I figure it's either let the obviously antag mime go free or kill it before it can be released. I take the second option and harmbaton the mime to death, and immediately afterwards express the reason to the weird little red thing. This is within seconds of my killing the mime, long before the admin interferes(at least to me, the logs showed afterwards they were paying pretty active attention at the time for whatever reason):
[2022-07-18 01:41:40.800] SAY: 01:41:40.800] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "your fault" (Brig (79,149,3))
[2022-07-18 01:41:50.123] ADMIN: 01:41:50.123] ADMIN: AwkwardStereo/(Offal Sweets) checked the individual player panel for Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers).
[2022-07-18 01:41:50.477] SAY: 01:41:50.477] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "This is what HAPPENS" (Brig (79,149,3))
[2022-07-18 01:41:56.795] SAY: 01:41:56.795] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "When you can't detain someone nonlethally" (Brig (80,148,3))
[2022-07-18 01:42:46.912] SAY: 01:42:46.912] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "You try to detain someone nonlethally...." (Brig (84,150,3))
[2022-07-18 01:42:48.724] SAY: 01:42:48.724] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "but then...." (Brig (84,150,3))
[2022-07-18 01:42:56.385] SAY: 01:42:56.385] SAY: Zybwivcz/(Cristopher Powers) "some weird immortal little red thing drags the prisoner away" (Brig (84,150,3))
I check the mime for contraband but find nothing, so I grab the corpse and head out to borg it. I'm delayed by another habitual permashitter trying to break into the brig and attack me, by the time that's been resolved I've been bwoinked.
Why You Think You Should Be Unbanned:
To begin with, the note is deeply misleading.
AS's note includes "unjustifiably murdering another member of the crew" and "arrested crewmember they murdered", absolutely nothing whatsoever about the mime's actions and reasons to consider it an antag that would be a threat if released. From the note alone it sounds like I grabbed a random crewmember and beat them to death, there's not a single word about the mime invading the brig, stealing my baton, and attacking me repeatedly to try to disable me. Not a single word about why I would I consider it a real danger to let the mime be freed by an accomplice. That's a central and puzzling omission to me.
Dragging away a cuffed antag to release it when I have absolutely no (known) way to stop the admin-spawned unstunnable mob dragging it is not "briefly interfered", it means between choosing letting the antag get away or killing it.
I only did lethal damage to the mime after the meme-mob tries to drag it away and I lack any means of stopping it. If I had just wanted to kill the mime I would have just killed the mime in the tunnels as I had every opportunity to do.
I have no idea why "stripped" is in there at all, it's obviously part of checking someone for antag gear and in any case my plan after finding nothing was to deliver the corpse to robotics to have it borged. Would AS have not banned me if I had left all the mime's stuff on its corpse unchecked and stuffed in a locker somewhere? Just a weird thing to include.
Killing an antag escaping with the help of an accomplice is not "unjustifiably murdering another member of the crew". Especially when you're convinced(like the note concedes) that there's no way to stop the accomplice itself. I even tried to have the mime borged before another one of sybil's habitual self-antaggers intervened to stop me.
Regardless of the appeal's outcome it would be nice to have an answer to the question: When an admin-spawned NPC you can't kill or stop(and killing it could have been bannable anyway:viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13158#p340869) and which you think has AA tries to prevent the arrest of an antagonist who invaded the brig to attack SEC and steal a weapon, the acceptable non-bannable responses are to do what?
