[22:45:57]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if anything he should brig me for fooling him thinking i had a parapen
[22:46:02]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): but not permabrig
[22:46:17]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): also, who the fuck brigs someone for 3 minutes for having a bio hood? doesn't this SCREAM metagrudge to you? Holden Sidower says, "Dealing with you always pisses me the fuck off."
[22:46:43]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): leaves me in permabrig, comes back, takes me on the pod just to muzzle, chainflash, and beat me to death after roundend?
[22:47:18]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Was that before or after the permabrigging, the biohood part.
[22:47:21]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): even if i stabbed him with a pen, his IMMEDIATE thought, after feeling no side effects, was to perma me? are you calling that valid by any means?
[22:47:37]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): before, he put me in the brig for 3 minutes and his reasons were 'petty theft' and some other kind of theft when i had a bio hood
[22:48:07]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Was the hood yours?
[22:48:10]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): i had said biohood because i was in xenobiology. janet even reminded him of this afterwards, he didn't even wait to hear janet's side of the story, he just searched me, found ONLY a biohood, and flashed me repeatedly.
[22:48:39]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): no, i didn't steal it from anywhere, i put it on when entering xenobio to save amy lessen. i feared there were xenos, but she just had been glomped by slimes.
[22:49:12]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): janet showed up there and tased me and brigged me from running from a search earlier, but that was because i had an emp grenade from the black market and didn't want 5 fucking minutes, i wanted to get rid of it first.
[22:50:30]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): so i was like okay, i'll serve time for running from a search, but then i got 3 minutes, chainflashed by holden, false charges put on me, and released after he realized the charges were wrong. On the way out, i thought i'd prank him, lolpermabrig. I didn't even do it to act like a fucking changeling, changelings don't fucking use obvious stings like that anyway. The borg pointed that out, and then he said this:
[22:51:50]ADMIN: HELP: Paprka/(Molly Dakota):
http://pastebin.com/UnKfLBn8 - heard by 1 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[22:53:32]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): So he knows 'feeling a prick' means I MIGHT BE A CHANGELING and is REASONABLE EVIDENCE FOR PERMABRIG AND MUZZLING, yet he hasn't fought them in years and can't answer the borg's question? this is such blatant, horrible metagrudge neerti. boronide has shit on my rounds more than this and i'm getting fucking tired of it. he's a godawful security officer and will feed you stupid excuses to justify this stupid shit all day because he's a smooth talking asshole but you know that putting me in permabrig was AWFUL judgement.
[22:57:12]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): I don't really get how that's 'metagruding' if it's a well known fact that lings sting people, and that stabbing someone w/ a pen produces a 'you feel a tiny prick' message most people remember. How is it metagrudge to assume that if you felt a prick, something might be off?
[22:58:38]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): it's metagrudge to put me in permabrig, chainflash me, leave me behind from the shuttle, and then take me on the pod to preach to me all the way to centcomm, then beat me to death when we get there. He even fucking admitted to it.
[22:59:39]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): furthermore, barring vague metagrudge accusation, it's still AWFUL security work to permabrig someone after a ling has supposedly 'stung' you, and after feeling no effects from this 'prick', keep them there anyway just because.
[22:59:48]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): People kill other people when the round ends all the time.
[23:00:58]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if you really aren't going to take that as evidence he was doing it to be an asshole to me and ruin my round then at least take his fucking garbage assumption i was a ling as evidence he shouldn't play security.
[23:01:26]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if you feel a prick, have no after effects, would you permabrig someone neerti? really? do you really think that's fucking okay?
[23:01:37]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): do you legitimately believe he would have done it to anyone else?
[23:01:46]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): oh wait, let me answer that question for you.
[23:02:12]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Remember that, he said he didn't play in a year. He used the information he had available to him.
[23:02:57]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): didn't play? it was his IC excuse, actually, boronide plays pretty often.
[23:03:01]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood):
http://pastebin.com/G2dWgS99
[23:03:45]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): here's him admitting he only extended it to a permabrig because i swore at him for doing his job wrong about the hood shit. i had a pretty good reason for cursing out a sec officer who chainflashed me and shit to be an asshole.
[23:04:04]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): >do your job wrong >get sworn at for it >lol get permabrigged x)
[23:04:08]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): seriously?
[23:05:56]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): What did you expect when you did something antag-like?
[23:06:18]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): that's not even a case of valid perma, because he even admitted that's not why he did it.
[23:06:34]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): i literally linked you fucking IC CONFESSIONS of why he did it.
[23:06:44]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): and you're saying this is okay?
[23:07:09]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Him saying that dealing with you is horrible is his IC confession to metagrudge?
[23:07:34]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): him saying that he permabrigged me because i swore at him is his confession to being a fucking trash security officer and he should be jobbanned.
[23:08:14]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): You're saying you gave him shit and he permabrigged you for it?
[23:08:25]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): I LITERALLY LINKED YOU PROOF OF IT, MAN!
[23:08:30]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood):
http://pastebin.com/G2dWgS99
[23:08:46]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): he fucking ADMITTED he permabrigged me because i gave him shit for the bio hood thing.
[23:09:29]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): A suspected ling giving the warden shit.
[23:10:09]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): so, permabrig? really? when I WAS SUFFERING FROM THE SAME DISABILITY STING AS EVERYONE ELSE?
[23:10:30]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): i mean, it might have been a retrovirus, but that's what everyone thought it was at the time.
[23:11:24]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Nobody's omniscient. To him it probably looked like a bunch of lings having fun.
[23:11:41]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): to me it looks like he found an excuse to permabrig someone he didn't like.
[23:11:47]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): a bad excuse.
[23:12:06]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): the kind of excuse that would net literally anyone a jobban or a note.
[23:12:18]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): not sure why you're arguing with me on this anyway when i've literally presented evidence towards it.
[23:13:52]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): but okay, permabrigging people for feeling a prick while standing next to them when there's suspected lings is apparently an alright thing to do as sec officer and not immensely shitty.
[23:14:37]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): It's the same story of running around in real wizard robes pretending to be an antag, getting robusted, then adminhelping.
[23:14:56]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): and apparently it's all because i 'didn't consent to a search'. he brings that up in the pod while i'm muzzled before beating me to death.
[23:15:06]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): it's literally not the same story at all
[23:16:04]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): when there's a real wizard or nuke ops and you get robusted what the fuck ever, i wasn't pretending to be an antag at all and he's operating under an assumption when there's real, valid ways to check for lings.
[23:16:24]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): like, you know, the fact that I never stung him? the fact that he never felt any side effects to being 'stung'?
[23:16:49]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if that makes me valid for permabrig and muzzling and chainflashing and shit then ho fuck i've been playing security wrong
[23:18:56]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): I can only thing of two possabilities of what you're thinking, you think he's a validarrest seeking shitlord who happened to find an excuse to permabrig you, even when, from his point of view, you could've been an actual ling, since he didn't know how lings work nowdays. Kinda silly to go 'metagaming is okay, but incorrectly metagaming by just a bit is bannable'. You seem too paranoid, everyone isn't out to shit on you.
[23:19:14]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): when did i say metagaming is okay
[23:19:15]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): That or you're banbaiting him. One or the other, I think you need a short break from spessmen.
[23:19:25]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): You said that he should know that penpricking isn't a ling sting anymore
[23:19:45]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): i said that it's really unfair to be a dick for the sake of being a dick yeah
[23:19:56]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): and if you're going to metagame that feeling a prick means there's a changeling
[23:20:05]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): you should know ling stings DON'T MAKE YOU FEEL PRICKS ANYWAY
[23:21:05]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Back then it was acceptable, since the message said that. He didn't see how lings work nowdays.
[23:21:22]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): 'valid' arresting people and using it to be an asshole to people because they called your security methods shit (proof already provided) and then continuing to be shit past this by muzzling, removing their headset, etc with no head of security around is the lowest form of shitcurity and the kind of thing we try to discourage, i thought.
[23:21:27]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): my bad, clearly?
[23:22:06]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if someone 'might' be a ling but you have no proof, the best thing to do is to tracking implant them and chem implant them or something. not permabrig them just to be safe. permabrig would be fucking filled.
[23:22:42]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): he even admits that he would have just done an implant under normal circumstances, but esalated my sentence to fucking PERMABRIG because i called him bad for being bad.
[23:22:49]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): do you really, REALLY think that's fucking fair?
[23:23:02]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): do you really, REALLY think i have NO reason to be upset here?
[23:24:12]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): do you really think i'm just totally asking for permabrig when i prank him with a pen? he even acknowledges that i could have stabbed him with a pen, but since he didn't 'see a pen' i'm a changeling, into permabrig.
[23:24:16]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): You know that off-quoted phrase 'act like a dick, be treated like a dick', or 'act like an antag, be treated like one'? You were acting like both.
[23:24:29]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): being a dick isn't briggable
[23:24:34]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): and i wasn't even being that mean
[23:24:40]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): HE was being mean
[23:24:51]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): he was the one who literally used a BIO HOOD TO GIVE ME 3 MINUTES
[23:24:56]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): a BIO HOOD I STOLE FROM NOBODY
[23:25:03]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): HELL YEAH MY CHARACTER IS GOING TO BE MAD
[23:25:16]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): You're joking, right??
[23:27:08]ADMIN: PM: Neerti/(Andrew Wood)->Paprka/(Molly Dakota): You could've gone free, with no issues, if you didn't stab the warden with a pen as a 'joke', then after being arrested, be really hostile to him.
[23:27:31]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): He threw a fucking tear gas grenade at me, stripped my headset, and muzzled me, so
[23:28:04]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): If you're saying that's somehow my fault and I should have expected to be permabrigged upon hitting him with my pen then okay neerti i give up.
[23:28:40]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): if that's really the way security should be playing and isn't fucking shitty JLP-tier garbage then i'm totally done and will just make a ban request next time it happens
[23:30:21]ADMIN: HELP: Paprka/(Molly Dakota): Holden Sidower says, "I dunno, she's pretty much doing nothing but abuse me. I don't really feel a need to give her an extra chance." >i'm totally bullying security to the point of needing to be permabrigged apparently when they're the ones that pulled a CODE BLUE RANDOM SEARCH in the middle of a hall and then brigged me for having a bio hood while in xenobiology - heard by 1 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[23:31:09]ADMIN: PM: Paprka/(Molly Dakota)->Neerti/(Andrew Wood): ever wonder why people dislike security and the stigma forms? it's shit like this. whatever.