[Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Collide

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[Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Collide

Postby ChemicalRascal » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:00 pm #375120

Byond account and character name: ChemicalRascal, Drinks-The-Beer
Banning admin: Dorsidwarf
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Chemistry
Ban reason and length: "Blew a large hole in central hallway with a suicide grenade in some kind of failed attempt to get access to botany to retrieve a chem dispenser, claimed that multiple other people were lying in ahelps about casualties/the damage in ahelps. Chemists are allowed to fight botanists who thieve their things so that they can do their job, not to give them an excuse to destroy the station. This jobban will be lifted in 9840 minutes."
Time ban was placed (including time zone): ~1530 UTC, 2018-01-22
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil

Your side of the story:

(Y'know, I'm starting to think that my account name is rather unfortunate.)

A botanist decided to enter chemistry and acquire a chem dispenser just after round-start. As a chemist, I was present, and the Captain was present incidentally. I denied the botanist, but he opted to take the dispenser regardless. I informed him that I would retaliate before he left, the Captain warned the botanist that I would probably kill him (though that wasn't the intention on my part).

In order to execute my epic quest, I used two black powder grenades as, effectively, blasting charges, in order to get into botany in an intentionally intimidating manner, while putting botany out of commission for a while. The first grenade was placed inside the botany doorway, but by the time I returned with the second, the hole had been repaired. Unfortunately, I killed myself with the second grenade, which was placed at the botany table. As a head, I observed a lack of any other corpses around the hole, as the captain quickly patched the damage.

Why you think you should be unbanned:

Dorsidwarf seems to have based their ban on the insistence that I blew a 4x4 hole in a hallway and killed a botanist (who apparently died by suffocation next to the hole) -- at least, that's what was communicated to me through ahelps.

Firstly, black powder grenades do not create 4x4 holes in hallways, or, at least, mine don't, and in this instance it certainly didn't. We're talking about a single 100u blackpowder bottle here, heated up with another bottle of 100u, 1000K water. As far as I know, you can't create a "4x4 hullbreaching bomb", as Dors called it, with black powder.

Secondly, there wasn't a dead botanist around the hole. There wasn't even time for one to suffocate. Maybe a botanist died, but it certainly wasn't either of my grenades that caused that.

To compound this, Dors stated during the start of the next round that the Captain gave the botanist permission to take the chem dispenser, which simply wasn't the case. I believe, thus, that Dors was lied to by the player of one of the botanists.

Is going straight to black powder grenades a little over-the-top? Yeah, next time I'll probably be more subtle. Maybe neurotoxin, smoke, and just waltz in or whatever, I don't know. But in this instance, from my viewpoint, it looks like the ban was informed by things that simply aren't true and didn't happen.



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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:50 pm #375132

ChemicalRascal wrote:Firstly, black powder grenades do not create 4x4 holes in hallways, or, at least, mine don't, and in this instance it certainly didn't. We're talking about a single 100u blackpowder bottle here, heated up with another bottle of 100u, 1000K water. As far as I know, you can't create a "4x4 hullbreaching bomb", as Dors called it, with black powder.

A 100u bottle of black powder and a 100u beaker of 1000k water in a grenade casing does this, actually:
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ADMIN LOG: Explosion with size (1, 3, 6, 0) in area

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:21 pm #375141

I was in the round and had to pass the hole multiple times. The damage was as bad as dorsidwarf described but dampened slightly by its proximity to the walls around botany.

I'm general I think chemical revenge on thieving botanists can be appropriate, but only if they were really awful like directly fighting you for the dispenser or trashing chemistry significantly. I didn't really see any of that this round.
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby Limski » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:38 pm #375154

Hello, I was HoS that round!
I walked by medbay and vaguely remember the captain giving the botanist permission to take the chem dispenser,however after glancing at the logs that doesn't seem to be the case, unless I'm bad at reading logs which is probably more likely.

The round ID is (I assume) 82368 if the admins wish to logdive

Here is a filtered game.txt log from the public logs that only shows Jeremopolis(The botanist probably), ChemicalRascal(Chemist) and Damous(The captain probably) from the beginning of their feud to the point where the chemist dies from his second chemical grenade
Spoiler:
[14:25:12]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : THEFT!! (101,102,2)
[14:25:16]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : not theft. (103,105,2)
[14:25:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i need it (103,105,2)
[14:25:20]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : NO. (102,104,2)
[14:25:22]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : FUCKING ASK. (102,104,2)
[14:25:25]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : LIKE AN ADULT!! (102,104,2)
[14:25:26]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : decent botanists always need it. (103,105,2)
[14:25:31]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : WHAT (102,102,2)
[14:25:32]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : WHAT (102,102,2)
[14:25:37]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : This is WAR, I SAY. (102,104,2)
[14:25:39]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WAR!! (102,104,2)
[14:25:41]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : the time it takes to make mute and salpetr ourselfves lets plants die. (103,105,2)
[14:25:45]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : FUCKING WAR!! (102,103,2)
[14:25:56]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Nope, not yet. (102,104,2)
[14:25:59]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : CAPTIAN FUCKING MOVE. (102,102,2)
[14:26:05]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : don't be difficult. i apologize for not asking, but i can't take no for an an answer. (103,105,2)
[14:26:12]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : CAREFUL, BOTANIST!! (102,100,2)
[14:26:16]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : YOU DECLARE WAR!! (102,100,2)
[14:26:17]GAME: Damous/(Isiah Roby) splashed (thrown) Sulphuric acid, Bicaridine and Nitrogen at (102,103,2).
[14:26:21]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ai, open the door. (100,105,2)
[14:26:34]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i don't mean any harm or disrespect; i just need the machine. (100,105,2)
[14:26:39]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : No you don't. (103,100,2)
[14:26:42]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : let me out please (101,104,2)
[14:26:42]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Ask. (103,100,2)
[14:26:44]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Use your words. (103,100,2)
[14:26:50]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Glibbering idiot. (103,100,2)
[14:26:50]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : apologies. (101,104,2)
[14:26:59]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : War, I say. (103,100,2)
[14:27:02]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : now if you could please let me out, i really need to start working. (101,103,2)
[14:27:02]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : I do declare. (103,100,2)
[14:27:08]GAME: Damous/(Isiah Roby) splashed (thrown) Epinephrine at (100,105,2).
[14:27:12]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : To war we go, botanist! (103,100,2)
[14:27:13]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : isiah (102,103,2)
[14:27:16]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : yes? (101,99,2)
[14:27:16]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : open the door, please (102,103,2)
[14:27:18]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : It is a war you will lose! (103,100,2)
[14:27:28]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : im pretty sure that lizard is going to kill you (101,99,2)
[14:27:29]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : EY (103,100,2)
[14:27:30]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : open that door for me please (102,103,2)
[14:27:44]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i should have gotten access , but i wanted to get this done quickly. (102,103,2)
[14:27:47]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : that was rude (101,100,2)
[14:27:50]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : And yeah, botanist, you should be careful. (103,100,2)
[14:27:55]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : isiah, please open the door so i can get to work. (102,103,2)
[14:28:06]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i'll dedicate some crops to chems if you let me take all this. (102,103,2)
[14:28:13]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : what would you like me to make? (102,103,2)
[14:28:15]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Well, I won't let you take it. (103,100,2)
[14:28:25]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : But go ahead, and let's go to war. (103,100,2)
[14:28:29]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WAR, I SAY. (103,100,2)
[14:28:33]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ai, i'm trapped in chems. please open the door. (102,103,2)
[14:28:34]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WAR, I DO DECLARE!! (103,100,2)
[14:28:46]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : open door (100,105,2)
[14:28:48]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : im trapped (100,105,2)
[14:28:49]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : help (100,105,2)
[14:28:52]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : goddamn lol (100,105,2)
[14:29:01]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i'm botany and im trapped in chems. (100,105,2)
[14:29:03]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : its perfect (102,104,2)
[14:29:05]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : dude (102,104,2)
[14:29:10]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : can you just get chem access? (101,104,2)
[14:29:10]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : AI OPEN THIS FUCKING DOOR NOW (100,105,2)
[14:29:10]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Cap. Are you going to help him? (102,100,2)
[14:29:15]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : not from in here. (100,105,2)
[14:29:24]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Let him take it, Cap. (101,104,2)
[14:29:27]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : This will be better. (101,104,2)
[14:29:29]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i can't get access from in here. (100,105,2)
[14:29:29]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : fine (103,105,2)
[14:29:31]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : I want an excuse to murder botany. (101,104,2)
[14:29:42]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WAR, I SAY. (100,105,2)
[14:29:46]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : what plants would you like me to grow (98,105,2)
[14:29:55]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : You have ninety seconds until I begin to destroy Botany. (100,105,2)
[14:29:57]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Run. (100,105,2)
[14:29:59]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : lol (98,105,2)
[14:30:13]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : yeah (134,111,2)
[14:30:21]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : if you are not botany fuck off (139,115,2)
[14:30:22]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : out (136,114,2)
[14:30:25]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : not you chef (136,114,2)
[14:30:27]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ur good (134,113,2)
[14:30:35]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : out (126,111,2)
[14:30:38]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : shoo (126,111,2)
[14:30:43]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : if you aren't botany get out please (126,111,2)
[14:30:47]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i need privacy to work (126,111,2)
[14:30:54]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i need privacy to work (136,111,2)
[14:30:56]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : vacate now (136,111,2)
[14:31:04]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : okay. (137,111,2)
[14:31:16]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : chems is being childish and got mad that i took their dispenser. (133,111,2)
[14:31:24]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : don't let them in. (134,111,2)
[14:31:51]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Hi ho, hi ho, to murder botany we go. (101,105,2)
[14:31:53]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : hey (109,160,2)
[14:31:54]EMOTE: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) : <b>Drinks-The-Beer</b> whistles. (101,105,2)
[14:31:59]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : chems is threatening my department. (109,160,2)
[14:32:02]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : wew (100,105,2)
[14:32:04]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i&#39;d like a gaurd. (109,159,2)
[14:32:08]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : not my problem (98,105,2)
[14:32:10]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : We goin&#39; old school.. (100,105,2)
[14:32:11]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : they are upset that we needed the dispenser. (109,159,2)
[14:32:29]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : he&#39;s now extremely irratable and is threatening war and destruction on botany. (109,159,2)
[14:32:39]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : if you could spare a gaurd it would be much appreciated. (109,159,2)
[14:32:44]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : please. (109,159,2)
[14:32:56]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : out, please. (127,112,2)
[14:33:01]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Nope, this area is public. (126,111,2)
[14:33:02]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : don&#39;t. (127,112,2)
[14:33:15]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : This area is puuublic. (127,124,2)
[14:33:15]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : gaurd (127,125,2)
[14:33:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : gaaurd (127,135,2)
[14:33:20]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : gaurd (126,138,2)
[14:33:22]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : the lizard (126,138,2)
[14:33:24]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : warden (126,138,2)
[14:33:27]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : he is threatening (126,138,2)
[14:33:32]GAME: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) has primed a chemical grenade for detonation at Central Primary Hallway (128,111,2).
[14:33:32]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : to grenade botany (126,137,2)
[14:33:34]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : PLEASE (125,139,2)
[14:33:35]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : HOS? (112,115,2)
[14:33:38]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HES GONNA CHEM GRENADE US. (125,139,2)
[14:33:44]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : he&#39;s made about the chem dispenser. (125,139,2)
[14:33:48]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : please arrest him. (125,139,2)
[14:33:56]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : OH SHIT (123,114,2)
[14:33:56]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : oh my god. (126,115,2)
[14:33:58]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : KABOOM (123,114,2)
[14:33:59]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : what happend? (101,101,2)
[14:34:02]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : FUCKING BANG SON. (123,114,2)
[14:34:08]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : wow. (126,114,2)
[14:34:10]GAME: Damous/(Isiah Roby) splashed (thrown) Salicyclic Acid and Oxandrolone at (101,99,2).
[14:34:16]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : well (134,111,2)
[14:34:18]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : BOOM!! (101,101,2)
[14:34:20]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : im reporting him (136,114,2)
[14:34:22]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : keep working... (136,114,2)
[14:34:35]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : BOTANY!! SHATTERING!! KABOOM!! (101,101,2)
[14:34:39]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : i think it was warned (101,99,2)
[14:35:02]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HELP (115,144,2)
[14:35:06]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ANY GAURDS (110,144,2)
[14:35:08]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : this place is a mess (73,150,2)
[14:35:13]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : DRINKS THE BEER, HE WORKS IN CHEMS (110,144,2)
[14:35:16]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HE BLEW UP BOTANY. (110,144,2)
[14:35:21]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : YES. (119,144,2)
[14:35:26]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : COME LOOK. (119,144,2)
[14:35:33]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (126,117,2)
[14:35:39]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : I HAD PERMISSION TO TAKE THE DISPENSER (126,116,2)
[14:35:43]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (126,116,2)
[14:35:45]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : AND HE GOT MAD AND BLEW US UP (126,116,2)
[14:35:47]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : FUCKING JUVENILE (126,115,2)
[14:35:47]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (126,115,2)
[14:35:50]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : IM GONNA KILL HIM (126,115,2)
[14:35:54]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : how many points? (70,148,2)
[14:36:02]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : DONT OPEN THE DOOR (132,115,2)
[14:36:03]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : nice (72,149,2)
[14:36:08]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : I HAVE THE CAPTAIN&#39;S PERMISSION. (102,105,2)
[14:36:13]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : No you don&#39;t. (104,106,2)
[14:36:17]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HIM (106,104,2)
[14:36:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : IT WAS HIM (106,104,2)
[14:36:20]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : GET HIM (106,105,2)
[14:36:21]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : REJECTED!! (103,106,2)
[14:36:30]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : THAT LIZARD (97,110,2)
[14:36:32]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : BLEW UP BOTANY (97,110,2)
[14:36:32]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : how is power? (98,114,2)
[14:36:35]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY (97,110,2)
[14:36:39]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY (100,114,2)
[14:36:46]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY (104,126,2)
[14:37:08]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i DRINKS BEER THE LIZARD BLEW UP BOTANY (104,127,2)
[14:37:15]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HE IS DANGEROUS AND NEEDS PUNISHED (104,127,2)
[14:37:32]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ANOTHER SHITCURITY STATION (91,126,2)
[14:37:39]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : give it to him (97,128,2)
[14:38:24]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY (108,157,2)
[14:38:27]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : what (109,163,2)
[14:38:28]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY (109,160,2)
[14:38:35]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : DRINKS THE BEER HAS BLOWN UP BOTANY AND IS LOOSE ON THE STATION (109,160,2)
[14:38:40]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HE IS DANGEROUS, AND NEED JAILED. (109,160,2)
[14:38:42]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : we are hadling it (109,163,2)
[14:38:44]EMOTE: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) : <b>Drinks-The-Beer</b> screams. (91,82,2)
[14:38:45]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : wait (109,163,2)
[14:38:46]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WHY (91,82,2)
[14:38:46]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : HANDLE IT QUICKER (109,160,2)
[14:38:48]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : NO (91,82,2)
[14:38:48]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : handling (109,163,2)
[14:38:50]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : STOP (89,84,2)
[14:39:07]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (126,114,2)
[14:39:11]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : ARE YOU DONE?!! (89,86,2)
[14:39:12]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : thank you very much. (126,114,2)
[14:39:13]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (126,114,2)
[14:39:16]EMOTE: Jeremopolis/(Jeremy Jerkins) : <b>Jeremy Jerkins</b> gasps! (128,114,2)
[14:39:20]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : HI DONE. (89,86,2)
[14:39:22]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : I AM ANGRY. (89,86,2)
[14:39:24]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : fucking chems. (132,111,2)
[14:39:31]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : what are the damages? (135,112,2)
[14:39:33]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Can you stich my leg back on? (89,84,2)
[14:39:35]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : WITH PERMISSION!! (89,85,2)
[14:39:40]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : THEY STOLE MY FUCKING DISPENSER!! (89,85,2)
[14:39:41]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : you need to mute the gaia again (137,113,2)
[14:39:44]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : so we get saltpetre (137,113,2)
[14:39:48]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : I asked Jerry. (89,82,2)
[14:39:52]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : for golden beds (137,113,2)
[14:39:57]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Not mine. (89,82,2)
[14:40:03]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Nobody gave them permission. (89,82,2)
[14:40:12]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Her leg. (92,82,2)
[14:40:13]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : wew (88,84,2)
[14:40:28]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : BEATDOWN (88,84,2)
[14:40:30]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : RUDE. (89,82,2)
[14:40:31]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : still no oxygen in here (131,111,2)
[14:40:36]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Okay, surgery? (89,83,2)
[14:40:47]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : fix it (130,111,2)
[14:40:50]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : But yeah, they never had permission. (79,99,2)
[14:40:54]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i cant live on oxygen forever, haha (132,111,2)
[14:41:03]WHISPER: Damous/(Isiah Roby) : stop blowing the station goy (86,100,2)
[14:41:12]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : drat (138,113,2)
[14:41:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : you&#39;re using unstable mutagen right? (138,113,2)
[14:41:22]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : in increments of 5? (136,113,2)
[14:41:28]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : hm. (137,113,2)
[14:41:35]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Nice! (74,99,2)
[14:41:40]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : well i&#39;m going to assume chems won&#39;t bother us anymore and get to work (133,113,2)
[14:41:43]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : gwhy not (89,109,2)
[14:41:45]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : this has all rattled me. (136,112,2)
[14:41:55]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : perfet! (137,113,2)
[14:41:59]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : let me take it from here (137,113,2)
[14:42:01]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Ow. (74,99,2)
[14:42:07]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : please grow stuff for the chef or something (137,113,2)
[14:42:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : yes keep an eye on the weeds. (137,113,2)
[14:42:19]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Of course! (73,99,2)
[14:42:26]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : Wait. (79,99,2)
[14:42:29]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : oh no, our machines. (131,112,2)
[14:42:32]WHISPER: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) : You&#39;re fucking next. (84,101,2)
[14:42:34]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : broken. (128,111,2)
[14:42:58]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : :S if the clown stop using his shoes agian beat him up (106,158,2)
[14:43:00]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : OPS (106,158,2)
[14:43:15]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : fuck off, chems. (132,114,2)
[14:43:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : you blew us up. (132,114,2)
[14:43:34]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : out. (131,111,2)
[14:43:34]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : now. (131,111,2)
[14:43:42]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : out. (132,114,2)
[14:43:51]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : the chemis who blew us up (130,115,2)
[14:43:53]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : was (130,115,2)
[14:44:00]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : i drinks beer or something like that (130,115,2)
[14:44:03]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : blue lizard (130,115,2)
[14:44:19]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : where is the gaia? (137,113,2)
[14:44:26]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : this table is fucked man (139,111,2)
[14:44:29]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : keep shit organized (139,111,2)
[14:44:35]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : i did just watch closely (118,109,2)
[14:44:43]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ah, i see sorry (138,111,2)
[14:44:49]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : please organize it so only disks are on that table. (138,111,2)
[14:45:05]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : no ideia (117,109,2)
[14:45:06]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : clean up. (136,111,2)
[14:45:10]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : inferiority complex i think (117,109,2)
[14:45:27]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : WHAT (108,136,2)
[14:45:58]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : give the ID back to the man HoS (121,114,2)
[14:46:42]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : ask him. (137,113,2)
[14:46:49]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : thats gay (131,124,2)
[14:47:05]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : ops (133,125,2)
[14:47:31]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : eh, give me grog (132,128,2)
[14:47:52]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : how is power? (132,128,2)
[14:47:58]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : OUT. (133,113,2)
[14:48:01]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : OH SHIIIIT (127,114,2)
[14:48:06]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : THE DOOR (127,111,2)
[14:48:08]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : help CHEMS IS TRYING TO GET US (133,113,2)
[14:48:08]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : THE DOOR GOT FIXED (127,111,2)
[14:48:10]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : FUCK!! (127,111,2)
[14:48:18]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : FUUUUUUUUUCK!! (128,114,2)
[14:48:18]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : CHEMS IS AFTER US STILL HELP SECURITY (132,113,2)
[14:48:24]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY TO BOTANY (132,113,2)
[14:48:27]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY TO BOTANY (132,113,2)
[14:48:32]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : STATE LAWS MOTHERFUCKER (98,105,2)
[14:48:35]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : SECURITY TO BOTANY (132,113,2)
[14:48:42]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : last time i did this (131,128,2)
[14:48:46]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : i got poisoned hard (131,128,2)
[14:49:01]GAME: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) has primed a chemical grenade for detonation at Central Primary Hallway (128,115,2).
[14:49:02]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : close (131,128,2)
[14:49:05]SAY: Jeremy Jerkins/Jeremopolis : listen shitcurity (108,165,2)
[14:49:07]SAY: Isiah Roby/Damous : cyanide and mute toxin (131,128,2)
[14:49:09]SAY: Drinks-The-Beer/ChemicalRascal : BOOM BITCHES (128,115,2)
[14:49:10]ACCESS: Mob Login: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain
[14:49:10]ACCESS: Mob Login: ChemicalRascal/(Drinks-The-Beer) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby Zawax » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:34 pm #375170

I was in botany when the first grenade exploded and it blew a really small hole.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:15 pm #375191

I'm personally of the opinion that you shouldnt be blowing minibomb++-sized holes in a major throughfare in order to try and get a stolen machine back. You're a chemist, you have the absolute most options for making a thief's life hell of any job in the game (And thermite to let you go through any walls you please), and I don't think its appropriate that you should jump to the single most destructive, set it off in the hallway, and then try to tell me that the two unrelated witnesses were conspiring to make you look bad in ahelp.

Unless someone finds that I've missed some details regarding the situation, I will not personally be lifting this one-week job-ban
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:09 am #375244

Stickymayhem wrote:I was in the round and had to pass the hole multiple times. The damage was as bad as dorsidwarf described but dampened slightly by its proximity to the walls around botany.

I'm general I think chemical revenge on thieving botanists can be appropriate, but only if they were really awful like directly fighting you for the dispenser or trashing chemistry significantly. I didn't really see any of that this round.


I'm sorry, but then there must have been further damage from someone else, then. I watched the cap (Damous, I guess) patch that damage quick-smart. I'm pretty sure it wasn't overly dampened by walls -- again, it was on their hall-facing table, there just aren't the walls around the thing to do that.

cedarbridge wrote:
ChemicalRascal wrote:Firstly, black powder grenades do not create 4x4 holes in hallways, or, at least, mine don't, and in this instance it certainly didn't. We're talking about a single 100u blackpowder bottle here, heated up with another bottle of 100u, 1000K water. As far as I know, you can't create a "4x4 hullbreaching bomb", as Dors called it, with black powder.

A 100u bottle of black powder and a 100u beaker of 1000k water in a grenade casing does this, actually:

<snipped image>

For reference, that's:
Code: Select all
ADMIN LOG: Explosion with size (1, 3, 6, 0) in area


Yeah, that's 1,3,6. Not 4, *, *. Or even 2, *, *.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I'm personally of the opinion that you shouldnt be blowing minibomb++-sized holes in a major throughfare in order to try and get a stolen machine back. You're a chemist, you have the absolute most options for making a thief's life hell of any job in the game (And thermite to let you go through any walls you please), and I don't think its appropriate that you should jump to the single most destructive, set it off in the hallway, and then try to tell me that the two unrelated witnesses were conspiring to make you look bad in ahelp.

Unless someone finds that I've missed some details regarding the situation, I will not personally be lifting this one-week job-ban


First of all, I didn't tell you that two unrelated witnesses were conspiring to make me look bad. I only know of one third-party who ahelped you, the engineer whom I don't know the name of, and you never actually told me what they said. I don't think they're conspiring with anyone, and it's not possible for me to think so, because I have no idea what they told you. And even if I did, the idea is beyond silly.

And yes, like I said, it was probably over-the-top, but they knew it was coming, the captain warned the guy that I was probably going to kill him, and it was on a table, not the thoroughfare itself. I wouldn't do it again, but you're making it sound like I set these off outside the HOP line or something. The inconvenience to third parties was absolutely minimal.

Finally, once again, I'm pretty damn sure the only person who was harmed here was myself. You made it pretty clear in those ahelps that you think I killed someone, but once again, that simply didn't happen.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby cedarbridge » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:22 am #375253

ChemicalRascal wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
ChemicalRascal wrote:Firstly, black powder grenades do not create 4x4 holes in hallways, or, at least, mine don't, and in this instance it certainly didn't. We're talking about a single 100u blackpowder bottle here, heated up with another bottle of 100u, 1000K water. As far as I know, you can't create a "4x4 hullbreaching bomb", as Dors called it, with black powder.

A 100u bottle of black powder and a 100u beaker of 1000k water in a grenade casing does this, actually:

<snipped image>

For reference, that's:
Code: Select all
ADMIN LOG: Explosion with size (1, 3, 6, 0) in area


Yeah, that's 1,3,6. Not 4, *, *. Or even 2, *, *.

Its also a 5x5 hull breach.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:03 am #375263

I dunno what to tell you, cedar, it's very distinctly only 1 devastation.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby iamgoofball » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:31 am #375270

yeah, codewise that log doesnt add up with the story

the 1st number is the heavy impact(floor-> spess/sometimes lattice), the 2nd number is medium(floor->plating, MAYBE spess, low chance tho), 3rd is light(floor->scorched floor, MAYBE plating, low chance tho)

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:45 am #375278

Which story?

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby imblyings » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:56 am #375281

Are we confused about the bomb numbers and what it might have looked in game- eg the breach was 4 wide in total just not a completely wiped 4x4 hole?
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:04 am #375282

There isn't much room for confusion, a 1,3,6 is a 1,3,6.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby imblyings » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 am #375284

You say that but the number of posts itt suggest otherwise, let's wait for dorsi to post
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby iamgoofball » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:54 am #375292

i'm going to stand by what chemical said

let me go set off a 1,3,6 locally for proof, 1 minute

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby cedarbridge » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:54 am #375304

iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to stand by what chemical said

let me go set off a 1,3,6 locally for proof, 1 minute

I already did it. That image I posted is the source of the adminlog for the associated blast. You can even see my lizard arm there from where the blast apparently took it off from about 8 tiles away. That 1,3,6 created that 5x5 hole. That was the point. I recreated the grenade he said he used and posted a picture of the results sans any walls that could have possibly existed wherever he tossed the grenade/bomb.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:03 am #375307

Are we looking at the same image? Your arm is two tiles away, for starters. Regardless, that's substantially larger than what I experienced, and regardless I'd be more inclined to believe the coder. Maybe you just got lucky on a number of floor->lattice rolls?

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby cedarbridge » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:06 am #375309

ChemicalRascal wrote:Are we looking at the same image? Your arm is two tiles away, for starters. Regardless, that's substantially larger than what I experienced, and regardless I'd be more inclined to believe the coder. Maybe you just got lucky on a number of floor->lattice rolls?

The arm is, the body isn't. The rest of the body is entirely off screen and the arm was pulled over by atmos. That's neither here nor there. The fact is that a 1,3,x by definition has a blast radius of 5x5 any of which (but at least one of which) will punch to space. In this case about 70% of it did. In your specific case I'd need a time machine to go back and look but even with our randomization code for blasts its unlikely that your blast was any smaller by any appreciable amount.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby ChemicalRascal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:13 am #375311

That directly conflicts with what Goof said, though.

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby iamgoofball » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:26 am #375325

made the boom booms:
https://file.house/7Qyt.webm

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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby oranges » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:25 am #375345

A explosion with severity 2 or higher is enough to potentially expose a plating to space/leave a lattice behind, so a 1,3,6 has the ability to open a 4x4 range to space, with the core tile always being completely scraped away and replaced with base turf, usually space.

The pick weight is 75% weighted towards a severity 2 explosion scraping the tile away completely

Here is the exact code for reference - https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... oor.dm#L61
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby Rustledjimm » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:28 pm #375378

Dorsi has already said his part on this, ausops has requested we wait to hear from him again. Until then there's little else to discuss.
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Re: [Dorsidwarf] ChemicalRascal - Botany and Chemistry Colli

Postby imblyings » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:38 pm #375743

im going to lift, it seems a 4x4 partial breach isnt too bad but really the onus is on any explosive user to make sure it hits exactly where it is needed without collateral damage please
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