Character name: Nelson Addison
Ban type: Not applicable. This is a proposed note correction.
Ban length: Not applicable.
Ban reason: Used a nitroglycerin grenade as a botanist to defend themselves from someone that was attacking them which resulted in the death of one other innocent person. Admits they might have gone a little bit overboard with it.
Time ban was placed: 2019-12-07 06:57:58
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 125260
Your side of the story: I don't believe the note was unfair but I think it is not entirely accurate and could use some correction.
I was attacked by an antag [NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen)] as a botanist. Factually it's correct that I was a botanist inappropriately defending myself with a nitro grenade against the antag, which resulted in the death of a friendly character and myself. However, I'd like to note that the friendly character [Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson)] provided me with the very same nitro grenade earlier, and was having me farm corn to provide him with the nitroglycerin for the grenades. I therefore disagree with the word "innocent" in the phrase "one other innocent person".
Furthermore, he was revived in medbay after the explosion. Therefore I was the only person who suffered any round-ending consequences from my use of the grenade during the round.
I think the note should be amended to point out that the fatality provided me with the grenade and was later revived in medbay.
Why you think you should be unbanned: This isn't a banning. But again as stated above while my action was questionable judgment it did not result in any permanent repercussions for any other party. From the log I submit the following evidence:
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[2019-12-07 05:48:08.971] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "which plant trays you growing the corn in?" (Hydroponics (133, 113, 2))
[2019-12-07 05:53:46.977] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "just raw massive amounts of nitro" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 05:53:58.754] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "sorry glycerol" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 05:54:10.596] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "just get the corn growing in the trays" (Central Primary Hallway (128, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:17:46.238] SAY: Dirk_McBlade/(Nelson Addison) "where do you want these corns" (Engineering Foyer (157, 137, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:17:46.518] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "hey how's the corn oil game going" (Engineering Foyer (156, 138, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:25:09.053] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "hey nelson" (Starboard Maintenance (150, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:25:14.001] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "the good stuff is coming through" (Starboard Maintenance (150, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:25:22.284] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) "should have a gift for you soon" (Starboard Maintenance (150, 111, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:32:32.186] GAME: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) inserted the large beaker () into the unsecured chemical grenade (Engineering Foyer (165, 137, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:54:34.546] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Dirk_McBlade/(Nelson Addison) with 10mm bullet (NEWHP: 40) (Engineering Foyer (156, 136, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:54:35.137] ATTACK: Dirk_McBlade/(Nelson Addison) has thrown the chemical grenade (Engineering Foyer (156, 139, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:55:23.182] ATTACK: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) has died (BRUTE: 142.3, BURN: 73.6, TOX: 0, OXY: 10, CLONE: 0) (Engineering Foyer (157, 136, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:55:33.711] ATTACK: Dirk_McBlade/(Nelson Addison) has died (BRUTE: 193.6, BURN: 26, TOX: 0, OXY: 17.3333, CLONE: 0) (Engineering Foyer (159, 136, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:55:34.142] SAY: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) (DEAD) "poetic justice honestly" (Engineering Foyer (159, 136, 2))
[2019-12-07 06:57:51.662] ACCESS: Mob Login: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2019-12-07 06:57:51.667] GAME: Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) Client Halitosisman/(Baron Johnson) has taken ownership of mob Baron Johnson(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Medbay Central (99, 109, 2))I'd also like to point out this thread:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 34&t=24562
Which states: "During the course of that discussion, multiple admins made it clear that the responsibility for deaths caused by explosives left lying around falls on the person who manufactured the explosive device in the first place. "
If this is true that the responsibility rests with the explosive manufacturer I shouldn't be culpable for my use of the grenade to begin with, which I again emphasize had no repercussions for anyone but myself that round.
Now I don't think anyone did anything wrong. Halitosisman is clearly an experienced, good natured player who wasn't griefing anyone, and the admin was not wrong or overly harsh to add a note to me, particularly because I did something against the rules and from the admin perspective as a new player I might have been showing up to shit the server up and needed to be advised as to what I was doing wrong. Also it provides evidence for other admins later that I can't plead ignorance if I start throwing grenades everywhere in self defense another time. I'm not disputing those facts.
But I think the note inaccurately describes the other party as innocent per admin precedent, and should add that the other party made the grenade for me and was revived 2.5 minutes later, if this note need remain on my record at all.
I therefore suggest the change to:
"Used a nitroglycerin grenade as a botanist to defend himself from someone that was attacking him which resulted in the death of himself and one other friendly person, who provided the botanist with the grenade. The friendly party was revived in medbay 2.5 minutes later. The botanist admits he might have gone a little bit overboard with it."
References of good conduct: I'm not providing any references of good conduct because I don't think they're necessary when disputing the facts of a note.
