[Domitius] thesaintofkc – Permaban appeal

[thesaintofkc]

BYOND account: thesaintofkc
Character name: Jerome Watermelon
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Terribly racist gimmick with another player. Please explain yourselve on our ban appeals forum
Time ban was placed: 2020-08-21 04:14:06
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 144709
Your side of the story: My friend convinced me to download BYOND and play SS13 with him. We chose our character names as stereotypical African-american names and chose the assistant job so he could show me the ropes. We made a few jokes bout Black Lives Matter, but that was about it. About 5 minutes in to him showing me what to do, I was locked in a jail cell, killed, and then permabanned.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I have literally no idea what I did wrong, I was simply learning how to play. When I initially read the TGStation rules, it mentioned nothing about racism, and I didn't think I'd get banned for that kind of joke. After our ban, me and my friend pored over the rules, and again found nothing regarding racism.

[Sarvak]

Logs taken from: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html

[2020-08-21 03:44:12.794] SAY: 03:44:12.794] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "black lives r ok" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (60,139,4))
[2020-08-21 03:44:31.607] SAY: 03:44:31.607] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "sup" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (60,140,4))
[2020-08-21 03:44:37.116] SAY: 03:44:37.116] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "lets go rape women" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (60,140,4))
[2020-08-21 03:45:46.780] SAY: 03:45:46.780] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "black lives matter" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (48,138,4))
[2020-08-21 03:46:22.733] SAY: 03:46:22.733] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "this is for george floyd" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (45,138,4))

Edited out all the clutter between, this is everything Jerome Watermelon said in that round.

[ArcaneDefence]

You linked the wrong round there, the appeal has the ban on 144709: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html

Where if I do the same thing you did of simply copying what Tyrone's says were with no context and everything else removed;

[2020-08-21 03:51:27.786] SAY: 03:51:27.786] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "blm" (Bar (136,133,4))
[2020-08-21 03:51:54.864] SAY: 03:51:54.864] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "have you accpeted goerge floyd as your lord and savior" (Bar (136,139,4))
[2020-08-21 03:52:26.489] SAY: 03:52:26.489] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "we wuz kangs n shiiiiiiet" (Bar (136,136,4))
[2020-08-21 03:53:18.007] SAY: 03:53:18.007] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "cum" (Bar (136,133,4))
[2020-08-21 03:57:17.447] SAY: 03:57:17.447] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "cum" (Locker Room (67,136,4))
[2020-08-21 04:00:10.980] SAY: 04:00:10.980] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "blm bitch" (Port Primary Hallway (74,140,4))
[2020-08-21 04:00:38.067] SAY: 04:00:38.067] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "hey you" (Port Primary Hallway (82,141,4))
[2020-08-21 04:00:42.259] SAY: 04:00:42.259] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) "blm" (Port Primary Hallway (82,141,4))
[2020-08-21 04:13:15.515] SAY: 04:13:15.515] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) (DEAD) "jesus fucking christ" (Admin Prison (186,111,1))
[2020-08-21 04:13:21.309] SAY: 04:13:21.309] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) (DEAD) "what did we do" (Admin Prison (186,111,1))
[2020-08-21 04:13:53.765] SAY: 04:13:53.765] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) (DEAD) "why was i denied medical care" (CentCom Docks (175,96,1))
[2020-08-21 04:14:00.582] SAY: 04:14:00.582] SAY: Thesaintofkc/(Jerome Watermelon) (DEAD) "blm blm you let me die" (CentCom Docks (175,96,1))

[Sarvak]

Whoops, not sure how I managed to fuck the round number up so badly.

[Vekter]

1) Don't be a dick.
We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.

[Domitius]

Hey my dude, thank you for making an appeal.

I would like to talk with you about what I saw and how the situation was handled before addressing your appeal to provide context. Please feel free to reply about any and all points I bring up.

Both you and your friend chose to role-play together in similar character models and outfits while making multiple jokes about black lives matter and disingenuous comments revolving around incidents related to it. ArcaneDefence posted the full say log of yourself during the round and Sarvik brang up the say logs of your behaviour in the round previous to this one. I would like to thank them both for doing so. Without any communication in game between the two of(you besides shoving, punching, and grabbing each other) you both went to several areas of the station talking to people in the mentioned manner.

None of the admins were alerted to your friends attempt to teach you the game and no attempt by them to teach you the game while you were playing was made apparent to anybody watching. The way you worked together regarding this fact made me believe, tied with the matching apparel and how you both were interacting with the round in similar manners, that you both were communicating outside of the game while you were playing. The low amount of time you particularly had in the game as well raised enough of a warning to myself to move forward with removing you both from the round and making a note for both of you to please appeal and explain your situation.

Regarding your appeal.

Learning to play does not require you to say "Rape all woman"(Rule 8, Erotic/creepy stuff is not allowed) or to make light of and mock real life incidents that have impacted large communities. This is a silly game about life in a space station, not a place to act how you did. While we have no rules on censoring racism the removal of yourself and your friend was done for both of your behaviours in choosing to act out what you both perceived as stereotypical black lives matter protesters and the perceived evident meta-coordination of you both.

The first rule of our server is don't be a dick, we're all here to have a good time, supposedly. You seemed to not understand what this means at the time.

Vekter has posted the rule in full for your review earlier in the thread and precedents of rule 1 can be found below.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules#Rule_1_Precedents.

I would like to know more about how your friend, Jonathon Hills, was teaching you about the game and in what manner?(Discord, phone, etc)

[oranges]

This post was deleted by oranges on Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:09 am.
Reason: no pkp don't put me on post approval no

[thesaintofkc]

First off, i want to apologize for making that stupid rape joke, it was very inappropriate and i see how it doesn't fit into the game. second, he really was teaching me to play, but we were saying stupid stuff in between. We were just trying to have a good time and not get bored, hence why we made some jokes. Johnathon Hills was showing me the controls mostly, such as how to punch, shove, pick up items, and manage inventory. We used a few of the vending machines to get clothes and he showed me how to put them on, hence why we were in matching attire. He also showed me how to interact with the environment and how to use the chat system. as for how we were communicating, we were in a discord call together at the time. For reasons unknown to me, i was incapacitated for a portion of my time playing, hence why i was so confused when i was taken from sick bay, put in the admin prison, where i expired and was promptly banned. I realize how my short in-game time could appear suspicious to you, but my intentions were true. Believe me, if i was simply there to kill and grief, i wouldn’t be bothered to go through all these processes to be unbanned.

[Domitius]

Hey! So I've talked with your friend as well and made it clear about not allowing metacommunications during the round. I'll be lifting the ban on both of you and changing the ban reason to better reflect what has happened.

Welcome back and good luck!