[FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

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[FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Somepan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:12 pm #579507

BYOND account: Somepan
Character name: The MULEbot (#1)
Ban type: Server Ban
Ban length: 1 day
Ban reason: Ran over a centcomm intern as a mulebot, causing his death, because they were talking about codes, assumed it to be the nuke code, was infact, the code for the briefcase the interns were carrying, yeah, don't jump to conclusions and murder people on no evidence, especially as a mulebot PAI
Time ban was placed:17:01:02
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 148579
Your side of the story: I was a mulebot who gained sentience because of random event, when after a while, someone called over the radio that the centcomm interns and the captain where trying to blow up the self destruction device on station, a few moments later i encounter the cap and an intern, talking about codes that we coming from centcomm. I also heard nuke sound (It was the beer nuke in bar, which i only saw after starting to get bwoinked). Seeing all the context, i threw the person i was carying on the intern and started to haul him away, he got out of me and started to shot at me, i took a bullet then dodged another, that hit
a MD or the CMO who then shot at the intern and put him in crit, at that moment i rolled on the intern, not knowing if he was in crit or just knockeddown
Why you think you should be unbanned: I think i should be unbanned because, i wasn't a PAI so i have no obligation towards humans and i should be able to defend myself and i think FatalX1 was angry as he said something along the line of "I'm fed up of Mulebots rolling on people, i'll put a dayban on this"



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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Fatal » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:52 pm #579599

Alright, just to clear up the thing with the codes here and put some context into this

The Captain had been turned into a fly person via the teleporter, and had requested from centcomm, some mutation toxin to fix the problem, I sent 2 interns with a locked briefcase containing said mutation toxin, and told them to contact me via the centcomm radio once the Captain had paid up, to give them the unlock codes

For some reason, someone heard the word "codes" from one of the interns or Captain and assumed wrongly that there was something going on with the nuke

As for you running over one of the interns (Fred is the intern in question)

Attack logs:

[2020-10-18 16:57:21.158] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over KangTut/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (122,115,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:21.160] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has suffered: Joint Dislocation | Damage: 30 (rolled 54/116.942) (Central Primary Hallway (122,115,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:21.160] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has suffered: Joint Dislocation | Damage: 30 (rolled 70/116.942) (Central Primary Hallway (122,115,2))

EDIT: (You running him over is Fred's FIRST entry in the attack log, he did not do anything in the entire game that shows up in the attack log prior to this action)

Fred then fires at you in return for you running him over

[2020-10-18 16:57:26.927] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has fired at [floor] with 7.62 bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (123,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:26.991] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has shot Somepan/(�MULEbot) with 7.62 bullet (NEWHP: 163.5) (Central Primary Hallway (123,114,2))

As does another crewmember (this is not an intern)

[2020-10-18 16:57:28.959] ATTACK: Viot45/(Scott Longe) has fired at Somepan/(�MULEbot) with 7.62 bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 163.5) (Central Primary Hallway (116,114,2))

Intentionally or not, these 2 actually shoot each other:

[2020-10-18 16:57:29.148] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has shot Viot45/(Scott Longe) with 7.62 bullet (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (123,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:29.149] ATTACK: Viot45/(Scott Longe) has suffered: Minor Breakage to chest | Damage: 35 (rolled 89/145.109) | WB: -35 (Central Primary Hallway (116,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:29.502] ATTACK: Viot45/(Scott Longe) has shot KangTut/(Fred Best) with 7.62 bullet (NEWHP: 17.5) (Central Primary Hallway (116,114,2))

You then run over Fred again:

[2020-10-18 16:57:39.472] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over KangTut/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -24.5) (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:40.135] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over KangTut/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -90.5) (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:40.140] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has died (BRUTE: 220, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:41.023] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over KangTut/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -134.5) (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:41.024] ATTACK: KangTut/(Fred Best) has suffered: Joint Dislocation | Damage: 20 (rolled 51/66.2891) (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:49.590] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over *no key*/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -189.5) (Central Primary Hallway (121,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:50.360] ATTACK: Somepan/(�MULEbot) has run over *no key*/(Fred Best) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -233.5) (Central Primary Hallway (121,114,2))

Basically you ran over a Centcomm intern for whatever reason, you say because you heard someone on the radio saying they were planning to blow up the station? That's extremely poor reasoning to get involved in something as a sentient mulebot and start running one over, and then kill him when he shoots you in return

Here's your exquisite say logs from the whole incident also:

I'm going to assume you meant the other intern here, but, I could be wrong (Ceejay was the other intern here)

[2020-10-18 16:54:37.335] SAY: Merchant1337/(Ceejay Aejay) "I'm an intern" (Departure Lounge (104,69,2))

[2020-10-18 16:54:45.463] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "can i space the black man ?" (Departure Lounge (107,67,2))
[2020-10-18 16:55:14.568] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "we attack interns ?" (Departure Lounge (106,66,2))
[2020-10-18 16:56:11.937] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "uh" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (54,127,2))
[2020-10-18 16:56:14.253] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "they left" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (54,127,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:04.481] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "cault" (Central Primary Hallway (107,113,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:06.759] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "vault" (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:25.432] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "NUKE BAD" (Central Primary Hallway (121,115,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:45.040] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "NUKE BAD" (Central Primary Hallway (120,115,2))
[2020-10-18 16:57:57.545] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "NUKE BAD" (Central Primary Hallway (124,115,2))
[2020-10-18 16:58:04.230] SAY: Somepan/(�MULEbot) "NUKE BAD STILL" (Central Primary Hallway (124,115,2))

You made pretty much no effort to investigate anything or actually question anyone regarding what you thought they were doing, and made a poor judgement call, now by all means, I could have missed some context here regarding your say logs, because I cannot tell who you were trying to talk to, feel free to look through the say logs

Yeah, as I told you, you made a poor judgement call and got involved in a situation you didn't need to get involved in, which resulted in you killing someone who did not initiate anything with you, I'm denying this appeal, in future, think twice before jumping into a situation and causing someone's death

Log links are here https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... nd-148579/

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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Somepan » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:34 pm #579620

For the context, the first moment i talked about attacking an intern was when they shot at someone, that didn't touch them, but still

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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby SkeletalElite » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:17 am #579659

Hope this is peanut policy compliant but OP said they were sentient from a random event.

I was under the impression random event sentient bots/animals were antags but maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Fatal » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:28 pm #579681

Somepan wrote:For the context, the first moment i talked about attacking an intern was when they shot at someone, that didn't touch them, but still


As I stated above, the first thing in the attack logs that is from Fred, the intern, is from when you ran him over

That means, he cannot have fired his gun previously to that because that would have shown in the attack log

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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:10 am #579726

SkeletalElite wrote:Hope this is peanut policy compliant but OP said they were sentient from a random event.

I was under the impression random event sentient bots/animals were antags but maybe I'm wrong.


Your impression is not correct.
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Re: [FatalX1] Daybanned for selfdefense

Postby Cobby » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:52 pm #579827

SkeletalElite wrote:Hope this is peanut policy compliant but OP said they were sentient from a random event.

I was under the impression random event sentient bots/animals were antags but maybe I'm wrong.


To clarify, random event bots/animals ARE antags ONLY if they are inherently antagonistic.

A chicken or medbot would not be considered an antag because they are by default friendly. A slime or xenomorph would be antags because they are by default hostile to players.

MULES are by default friendly, you do not see them actively seeking out blood when powered.
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