[Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

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[Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Flyguy076 » #581605

BYOND account: flyguy076
Character name: Teegee-Ad Mins
Ban type: Server Ban
Ban length: 7 Days
Ban reason: You have been banned by Jaredfogle from the server.
Reason: Posted ASCII art in common radio round start, as well as having the name "Teegee-Ad Mins". When confronted about these, decided to stonewall every opporunity they could, and proceeded to just repeatedly post the same ASCII art. Obviously has no regard for the rules or their enforcement.
Time ban was placed: 2020-11-16 01:36:21
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 150385
Your side of the story: Minding my own business on /tg/, whatever. Accidently post a trollface ASCII art in Medical Comms, aka In-Character. Admin confronts me about it, tell him I won't do it anymore. Then he starts ragging on me about my in game name. Like, seriously? I happen to have a friend in real life named Teegee-Ad. This ban is obviously prejudice against me.
Why you think you should be unbanned: This is what happens when you don't do a thorough admin selection process. I don't think this admin is following Rule 11 and is clearly discriminating against people who have this name. The fact that I cannot name my character is very demeaning. Even if I am not allowed to name my character this, I could have been told how to change it, or at least talked to a little less offensively.

Hopefully this ban length can be looked at again, obviously it's way too long for this kind of offense. Thanks
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Re: [Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Mothblocks » #581610

Thanks for the appeal!

no
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Re: [Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Flyguy076 » #581614

Jaredfogle,

First of all, a week is way too long for a ban like this. Secondly, you never told me how to change my character's name while I was still playing them in-game, so I didn't even really get a chance. I'm so sick of getting pushed around by admins who love having all the power in the world to ban people over something minimal like this. I'm sorry if I didn't instantly comply and roll over when you ticketed me on my name, and I'd also like to apologize to every player who's gameplay experience was ruined by something so trivial as a single trollface in IC comms and a stupid name, and I know that I have notes on my account for other stupid things. But I still fail to see how a 7 day ban is fair for goofing around a little bit during the ticket process. So please, a response a little longer than 'no' would definitely help out a lot here.
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Re: [Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Mothblocks » #581623

Flyguy076 wrote: First of all, a week is way too long for a ban like this.
-snip-
But I still fail to see how a 7 day ban is fair for goofing around a little bit during the ticket process.
you were given a 7 day because at nearly every point in questioning you made it clear you didnt give a shit. if you dont care about being banned then neither do i
Flyguy076 wrote: I'm sorry if I didn't instantly comply and roll over when you ticketed me on my name, and I'd also like to apologize to every player who's gameplay experience was ruined by something so trivial as a single trollface in IC comms and a stupid name
your apology is accepted but your ban appeal is denied
Shaps-cloud wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
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Re: [Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Flyguy076 » #581629

Alright then if you don't care enough to be an admin then I would like a headmin to make a ruling before this thread gets closed
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Re: [Jaredfogle] Teegee-Ad Mins - Ridiculous, DISCRIMINITORY Ban? 7 DAYS?!??

Post by Domitius » #581631

Hi! Thanks for appealing.

The following sets of logs have had the Trollface Emoji ASCII in every instance be replaced with "[Trollface Emoji ASCII]".

Your in-game chat for the round.
Spoiler:
[2020-11-16 01:23:20.412] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "TEST" (Security Post - Medbay (95,110,2))
[2020-11-16 01:23:23.296] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "[Trollface Emoji ASCII]" (Security Post - Medbay (95,110,2))
[2020-11-16 01:25:33.203] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "[Trollface Emoji ASCII]" (Security Office (117,172,2))
[2020-11-16 01:27:16.909] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "ward" (Brig Control (107,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:27:24.636] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "gun please" (Brig Control (107,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:27:36.412] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "shit" (Brig (107,168,2))
[2020-11-16 01:29:38.087] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "wrong guy" (Central Primary Hallway (126,133,2))
[2020-11-16 01:30:23.890] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "security" (Central Primary Hallway (125,128,2))
[2020-11-16 01:30:28.354] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "has a medical department" (Central Primary Hallway (125,128,2))
[2020-11-16 01:31:36.977] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "chap" (Brig (127,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:31:41.168] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "what the fuck is going on" (Brig (127,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:32:11.359] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "hey lawyer" (Brig (127,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:32:16.672] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "i'm about to let him go" (Brig (127,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:32:25.572] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "i just want to figure out his deal with the ce" (Brig (127,167,2))
[2020-11-16 01:33:02.188] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "okay" (Brig (117,166,2))
[2020-11-16 01:33:14.713] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "ce shitter confirmed" (Fore Primary Hallway (109,159,2))
[2020-11-16 01:33:17.101] SAY: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins) "have fun" (Fore Primary Hallway (109,159,2))
The ticket.
Spoiler:
[2020-11-16 01:23:42.837] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): hey bro
[2020-11-16 01:23:50.672] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): WHAT
[2020-11-16 01:23:54.456] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): [Trollface Emoji ASCII]
[2020-11-16 01:24:15.480] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): 1. your name sucks and 2. dont do ooc in ic like that
[2020-11-16 01:24:29.738] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): [Trollface Emoji ASCII]
[2020-11-16 01:24:48.392] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): do u want to take it seriously
[2020-11-16 01:25:08.961] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): idk do you want to take your admin position seriously
[2020-11-16 01:25:42.895] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): i take that as a no then
[2020-11-16 01:25:54.641] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): are you gonna bwoink the other guy too
[2020-11-16 01:26:18.307] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): thats not my question
[2020-11-16 01:27:08.492] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): i will stop ock ick
[2020-11-16 01:27:18.288] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): and the name?
[2020-11-16 01:27:32.479] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): it's a real name
[2020-11-16 01:27:42.522] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): no its not
[2020-11-16 01:27:58.501] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): I haven't gotten flak for it before
[2020-11-16 01:28:59.282] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): thats cool i guess, its a shitty name though
[2020-11-16 01:31:46.117] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): are u gonna change it
[2020-11-16 01:32:02.279] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): Why, is it against the rules?
[2020-11-16 01:32:22.928] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): yes
[2020-11-16 01:32:58.686] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): well technically there are no names that aren't against the rules if it's admin discretion
[2020-11-16 01:33:31.733] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): ok so the answer is no then, thanks for the help
[2020-11-16 01:33:46.671] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): I never said I wouldn't change it
[2020-11-16 01:33:58.610] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): I'm just trying to understand why you're getting me to change it
[2020-11-16 01:34:31.707] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): these things dont need anything more than a yes or a no, you've just been stonewalling this entire conversation
[2020-11-16 01:34:50.332] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): [Trollface Emoji ASCII]
[2020-11-16 01:35:02.973] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks)->Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins): ?
[2020-11-16 01:35:09.705] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): My character's first name is Teegee-Ad
[2020-11-16 01:35:22.263] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): Their last name is Mins
[2020-11-16 01:35:31.057] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): Are you being namist?
[2020-11-16 01:35:38.334] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Flyguy076/(Teegee-Ad Mins)->Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks): Bigoted, even?
[2020-11-16 01:36:21.744] ADMINPRIVATE: Jaredfogle/(Mothblocks) has created a temporary 7 days server ban for Flyguy076. Reason: Posted ASCII art in common radio round start, as well as having the name "Teegee-Ad Mins". When confronted about these, decided to stonewall every opporunity they could, and proceeded to just repeatedly post the same ASCII art. Obviously has no regard for the rules or their enforcement.
So, at your request here is a longer response.

Jaredfogle has done their due diligence and has honestly given you more of their time than you deserve. You either deliberately or ignorantly broke our server rules, of which I do not care for the difference given the rhetoric you've supplied us. That name is bad and it breaks naming policy by being excessively OOC.

Coupled with the further deliberate break of our server rules by posting that second ASCII face into IC chat after being explicitly told not to makes the week ban justified in this instance.

Spend this next week somewhere else and please re-read our server rules before coming back.
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