[bmon] T3hSurge - Belittled/punished while acting in good faith

[t3hSurge]

When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: T3hSurge (Aaron Noton)
Admin: bmon
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 214116

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34893

If you didn't like what forum my complaint is in why not move it directly instead of locking me out. The pithy replies for a COMPLAINT are pretty fucking lame, I don't care about the inconsequential ban.

[Vekter]

Because, per MSO:

New host ruling: Admin's banning conduct can not be the subject of an admin complaint. That is what appeals are for, and the appeal leading to the ban being overturn is the minimum bar required before a complaint can be filed that references the ban conduct.

[t3hSurge]

The ban is not the subject of my complaint, the ahelp and interaction is. I don't think I should be blackballed from making a complaint because a feature of said complaint was a petty job ban.

[Vekter]

The ban is not the subject of my complaint, the ahelp and interaction is. I don't think I should be blackballed from making a complaint because a feature of said complaint was a petty job ban.

You're not being blackballed from making the complaint, you're appealing the ban on the grounds that the banning admin's behavior during the ban was inappropriate. That's something the headmins can address in this situation if they feel it necessary.

[Archie700]

Round was 214116

Aaron's fight with Titanium, which resulted in Titanium critting due to oxyloss from Aaron removing his internals twice

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[2023-09-07 04:48:09.691] ATTACK: Admeer/(Titanium-A) slipped on the [banana peel] (Central Primary Hallway (128,119,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:25.292] ATTACK: Admeer/(Titanium-A) grabbed T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:25.857] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) slipped on the [banana peel] (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:26.933] ATTACK: Admeer/(Titanium-A) slipped on the [banana peel] (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:28.355] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (143,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:31.756] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (145,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:36.155] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:38.290] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) attempted to handcuff Admeer/(Titanium-A) (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:41.395] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) handcuffed Admeer/(Titanium-A) (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:42.068] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) grabbed Admeer/(Titanium-A) passive grab (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:44.519] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 66.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (141,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:44.523] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 51.3)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (141,130,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:51.581] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 51.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (129,138,4))
[2023-09-07 04:48:51.586] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) attacked Admeer/(Titanium-A) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 36.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (129,138,4))
[2023-09-07 04:49:01.094] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Dramatic_Pause/(Flint Price) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 85)  (Central Primary Hallway (102,141,4))
[2023-09-07 04:49:03.996] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Dramatic_Pause/(Flint Price) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 85)  (Central Primary Hallway (100,141,4))
[2023-09-07 04:49:09.458] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked Dramatic_Pause/(Flint Price) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 85)  (Central Primary Hallway (102,142,4))
[2023-09-07 04:49:53.220] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is stripping Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the toolbelt. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:49:57.198] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the toolbelt. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:03.394] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank (left) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:03.805] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the gas analyzer (right) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:04.361] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is stripping Admeer/(Titanium-A) of Titanium-A (Station Engineer). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:07.104] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:07.519] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the gas analyzer. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:08.077] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of Titanium-A (Station Engineer). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:26.965] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is putting the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:27.880] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has put the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:29.432] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank (left) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:33.186] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:34.287] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) shaken Admeer/(Titanium-A) (NEWHP: 3.3)  (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:36.837] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is putting the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:38.708] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has put the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:53.743] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) set cell Cell 3's timer to 180 seconds (Brig (100,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:54.641] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has started Cell 3's timer of 180 seconds (Brig (100,167,3))

After the fight some time later, T3hsurge was informed. During the ahelp, Aaron committed suicide, leaving Titanium unable to be saved.

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[2023-09-07 05:09:10.105] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) stun attacked T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 30)  (Head of Security's Office (114,179,4))
[2023-09-07 05:09:10.122] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has died (BRUTE: 70, BURN: 166.7, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Head of Security's Office (114,179,4))
[2023-09-07 05:09:10.124] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) (job: Head of Security) committed suicide (Head of Security's Office (114,179,4))

Explicitly from the ahelp logs in the previous thread:
2023-09-07 05:10:00: Reply from bmon: You've basically round remove him. I asked you to make it right and you've committed suicide now great

Titanium died in brig soon after.

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[2023-09-07 05:10:49.883] ATTACK: Admeer/(Titanium-A) has died (BRUTE: 30, BURN: 45, TOX: 0, OXY: 136.333, CLONE: 0) (Brig (98,167,3))

[Bmon]

You're going to have to follow the ban appeal format, it should be in this thread. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44d

[iwishforducks]

Aaron's fight with Titanium, which resulted in Titanium critting due to oxyloss from Aaron removing his internals twice

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[2023-09-07 04:49:53.220] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is stripping Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the toolbelt. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:49:57.198] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the toolbelt. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:03.394] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank (left) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:03.805] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the gas analyzer (right) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:04.361] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is stripping Admeer/(Titanium-A) of Titanium-A (Station Engineer). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:07.104] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:07.519] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the gas analyzer. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:08.077] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of Titanium-A (Station Engineer). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:26.965] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is putting the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:27.880] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has put the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:29.432] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is pickpocketing Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank (left) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:33.186] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has stripped Admeer/(Titanium-A) of the plasma internals tank. (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:34.287] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) shaken Admeer/(Titanium-A) (NEWHP: 3.3)  (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:36.837] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) is putting the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A) (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:38.708] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has put the plasma internals tank on Admeer/(Titanium-A). (Brig (99,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:53.743] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) set cell Cell 3's timer to 180 seconds (Brig (100,167,3))
[2023-09-07 04:50:54.641] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Aaron Noton) has started Cell 3's timer of 180 seconds (Brig (100,167,3))

Just an FYI:

Internals cannot be turned on when they’re inside the pockets of someone. You need to attach the internals to their belt. That is why Aaron pickpockets the internals a second time, because you can’t turn it on in the pocket. They then attached it to Titanium’s belt, where you can toggle internals.

[Archie700]

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Hey are you still interested in pursuing the ban appeal? We need you to follow the format per ban appeal rules, especially since the ban was a direct result of the ahelp in which you took issue with Bmon's behaviour.

Just an FYI:

Internals cannot be turned on when they’re inside the pockets of someone. You need to attach the internals to their belt. That is why Aaron pickpockets the internals a second time, because you can’t turn it on in the pocket. They then attached it to Titanium’s belt, where you can toggle internals.

Since Titanium ended up dying of suffocation due to oxyloss, that didn't matter in the end as he passed crit range.

[iwishforducks]

Since Titanium ended up dying of suffocation due to oxyloss, that didn't matter in the end as he passed crit range.

Was simply giving context to him “removing his internals twice”

[Vekter]

Surge hasn't responded to this (or modified his post to follow the appeal format for that matter) but I get the feeling they feel strongly about the matter so let's do this - if the OP hasn't been edited to the appeal format or no response is giving in the next week, I'm locking this and moving it as resolved.

[t3hSurge]

This is too frustrating. I made my original post in the correct place with the correct format, and now you want me to go back and put... when it occurred or something. I get it, I'm dumb. Manuel has gotten toxic, my attempts here to address an unhelpful ahelp make me regret ever saying anything, and I just don't belong here. The interaction of topic is endemic of culture sliding here due to a multitude of issues. I'll come back and check out the game again in another life.

[Archie700]

The time the ban was placed was: 2023-09-07 05:25:53 and the ban was a 1 day jobban from security roles.

[TheBibleMelts]

sometimes you can act in the best of faith and still do the wrong thing. it happens to the best of us. i don't think bmon was incorrect to poke you a bit about your conduct as a security officer, and i don't really detect any overt aggression from their end in the ticket. a day break from security isn't too over the top for being asked to save a prisoner and instead having your character commit suicide - i saw it he was trying to give you an out from a ban altogether and your action indicated that you were uninterested in taking that out.

since you've indicated lack of interest on your own end regarding pursuit of this further, i am going to give it the 'ol lockeroo in 24 hours. you're free to either edit the post to appeal what is at this point a note and request another review, but please follow the format in doing so.