[TheBibleMelts] JupiterJaeden - Actual dynamic moment

JupiterJaeden · Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:40 am

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Security jobban
Ban length: 7 days
Ban reason: Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 10080 minutes - An Officer placed a mime in a timerless cell for interfering with an arrest, eventually tried to escape. Jeff had been feeling as though there were a large volume of antagonists on the station and didn't want to spare the time to deal with them normally, and so justified lasering the mime to death on the spot while they attempted to escape. Jeff was unaware of why the mime had even been brigged, and this reaction was not proportionate to his crime per RPR 7. This is the 10th recorded ban/note I can see related to things like this.
Time ban was placed: 2023-10-01 02:41:12
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 215779
Your side of the story: Firstly lets correct a few things from this ban note.
I did not "feel" there were a large volume of antagonists. There were 15 antagonists NOT including minions and the subverted AI + borgs. Even not including minions/borgs, security was still outnumbered approximately 3 to 1. Including minions and borgs it was probably more like 4 to 1. Most of them were active at the time I carried out this execution, including the rogue AI, and the station was already definitively under a code red emergency. Now, this note makes it sounds like I "didn't want to spare the time" out of the pure coldness of my heart and my disregard for this poor mime's round. However, what actually happened is that while I was attempting to deal with the shitshow in the brig, multiple officers were dying on the radio screaming for help, which was moreso my motivation. This was also happening in between spouts of comms going off as well.

At the time, multiple people were cuffed in brig. These are the ones I remember, although I may not remember all of them:
- Permabrigged heretic who had made an attempt to murder security staff to escape
- Changeling, recently arrested
- Mime who had helped said changeling (I did not know at the time exactly what the mime's offense was).
- Traitor with an implant of some sorts that had allowed them to airmag out of the permabrig, therefore also rendering the main permabrig door unusable. Firelocks were also down in permabrig and isolation cell area after that recently mentioned ling had EMP'd them, which also fucked up multiple doors. This all together rendered that section of the brig quite unusable.

There may have been a 5th one, I dont remember exactly. Given that I already knew of more known, active antagonists than we had security in the first place, and the fact that security was now starting to drop like flies, I made the decision that the recent arrestees (ling, previous perma escapist) were to be executed. In addition, I decided to execute the heretic as the permabrig was in a dire state and they had already attempted murder on a seccie once to get out. None of these are the issue mentioned in the sec jobban but they are relevant as to the situation at the time.

The mime was spared. Because I was not sure exactly what their offense was, and they did not seem as obvious of a threat as the other 3. In addition, at this time I arrested the detective for later demotion and tossed them in a brig cell, as they were attempting to stun me.

In the pure hectic chaos, some officer who was presumably also simultaneously trying to deal with the EMPing ling bucklecuffed the tider mime and, in true abhorrent shitsec fashion, did not set a timer. The mime's rights were brutally violated by security for NO REASON. If only the corpse of that secoff lying on the ground had gotten back up and remembered to set a fair, reasonable brig timer INSTEAD of getting murdered by 20 antagonists, perhaps our bloody red souls could be saved...

Now I am trying to re-gear and move out to save whatever officers I can. The warden, I presume a latejoiner, came in and asked how they could help. I told them to go carry out the demotion for will, and afterwards I assumed they would handle the mime. I went down there for a moment to check on the situation. What do I see but the mime, who has broken out, and is now attempting to break into the detective's cell as well. After his invisible wall dissipated, I lasered him to death.

I then ran to maintenance to get away from the rad storm. The storm ended. I attempted to exit maintenance, got doorshocked, and killed by a subverted borg. For the record, I had drawn my x-01 and set it to ion mode when it crit me. One shot away from surviving. Such is the fate of the redshirt.

Why you think you should be unbanned:
Let's first give an IC justification under space law:

TBM asked "why didn't I just disabler him instead." Luckily for Jeff Gaiman's employment with nanotrasen, I have this handy dandy clause in space law, the first listing of acceptable uses of deadly force:

"There are a few circumstances where deadly force is permissible:

Code Red Situation - situations which would warrant a Code Red, such as: full blown mutinies, hostile boarding parties, and Space Wizards automatically authorise lethal force.
Note: The Alert Status is not required to be elevated to Code Red as in most of these scenarios the Chain of Command will be too damaged or otherwise occupied to raise the Alert Level."

I don't know about you but I would count "20 antags ripping apart the station with half of security dying" as a code red, and indeed, I had elevated the actual security level of the station to code red with the help of another head of staff.

Okay now for the actual server rules. I assume TBM meant RPR 6 and not RPR 7 in the jobban reason. I'd like to particularly point out this section of RPR 6:
"The overall status of the station factors in to the severity of committed crimes and the proportionality of security response, an assault on an officer resulting in an arrest is unlikely to be worthy of execution while the station is in perfect shape and security are otherwise unoccupied, but is reasonably worthy of an on-the-spot field execution if it occurs during active assault by war-ops with comms down and half the station torn in half by explosions."

Actually let's just use this example given in the text of RPR 6. Active assault by war ops? Well I would count >15 antags as being effectively equivalent to war ops, so check. Comms down? Not entirely but they kept going down and coming back up, the silence interrupted by the screams of dying officers, so I would say check. Half the station torn in half by explosions? Well maybe we dont have that one but we do have half of security torn in half by various sharp implements. I'd say close enough, check.

If the mime had interfered with an arrest in the field it would have been 100% unambiguously justified for me to laser them to death in this situation. I don't see how trying to break out of prison and break another prisoner out of prison at the same time is any less severe. I learned in the ticket that he was "just" a tider and not in fact a hostile antagonist, but even if I knew that at the time, my decision would have probably been the same.

My last piece of advice to mimes expecting not to be lasered to death by security: Perhaps do not interfere in the arrests of hostile changelings during a declared code red emergency and then try to break out of prison when you are arrested. Just a small suggestion which may help any mime players suffering from 200 burn damage.

References of good conduct: N/A
Anything else we should know: I know I'm only getting a jobban of this severity because I have a bunch of previous notes. This next bit is completely unprovable and something that you'll just have to take my word for, but I have actually been making an attempt to jump to lethals less. I'm not trying to just keep toeing the line with this issue. But I can't help but feel it's pretty damn fair to go ham at the point in the round where security is literally dying en masse to a gajillion antags. So, despite the sarcastic tone of this appeal, I want to make a genuine statement here: you are right, I have a recorded history of overescalation. A few of those notes in retrospect I'd say are fair, some I still hold are not. But I am honestly asking you to take a look at this situation irrespective of my history for a moment and see that it was extremely dire and IC would justify the most extreme methods.

Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:53 am

i'll adjust the RPR cited in the note, you are correct that i meant to point at this.