[Lorwp] xlink97 Ban Appeal

[xlink97]

BYOND account:xlink97
Character name: Jeremy Thompson
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 1 day
Ban reason: As a Non-Antag QM, harassed one of their cargo techs into escalating a conflict with them, until said cargo tech called them a slur and gave them an excuse to kill them. I'm not sure if you were just being a dick or escalation baiting here, but this isn't particularly cool behavior to just harass people for fun, particularly as a head of staff.
Time ban was placed: 2023-10-10 04:39:49
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 216422
Your side of the story: I screw around with a cargo technician, and eventually a shoving match starts. He escalates it by hitting me with a bottle full of fuel and lighting me on fire. I managed to extinguish myself and crit him, after which I took him to the medbay and healed him. He called me a faggot while he was in crit and started attacking me, which prompted another fight between us, after which I healed him. Eventually I came across him again, and he shoved me over and tried to take my fire extinguisher (presumably to kill me), to which I responded by again, taking him to med and healing him. At no point did I try to continue the conflict, every fight beyond the first med visit was started by him.
Why you think you should be unbanned: The only reason I was banned, it seems, is because I "started" the fight by shoving him around. He continually continued the fight, calling me slurs and trying to hit me with toolboxes and fire extinguishers, until I managed to safely get away from him.
Anything else we should know: "...gave them an excuse to kill them..." As far as I know, he didn't die once.

[lorwp]

Hey there, thanks for appealing.

I should apologise, because the reason for the ban isn't 100% accurate here. My issue is primarily with your behavior leading up to this, and the initial start of the conflict itself, so to that end, i'm happy to edit the ban reason to this:

As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift and wordlessly started a conflict with one of their Cargo techs. I'm not sure if the intention here was to be a dick, or escalation bait, but this isn't particularly cool behavior.

As for my thought processing when applying this ban, i'll get to that now. Here are the logs for this round: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... und-216422

These are the logs from your first few minutes in the round:

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[2023-10-10 03:51:55.124] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) Client Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has taken ownership of mob Jeremy Thompson(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Arrival Shuttle (135,207,2))
[2023-10-10 03:51:59.639] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Arrival Shuttle (136,205,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:07.773] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (135,187,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:09.698] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Fore Primary Hallway (135,179,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:15.100] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Fore Primary Hallway (135,175,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:18.800] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Fore Primary Hallway (137,165,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:23.119] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Fore Central Primary Hallway (137,148,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:25.582] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Fore Central Primary Hallway (153,148,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:32.222] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Cargo Office (161,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:34.635] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) cracks his knuckles. (Cargo Bay (169,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:37.707] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (171,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:41.249] GAME: *no key*/(Fig Newton) *no key*/(Fig Newton) is no longer owning mob Fig Newton(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Bitrunning Den (175,152,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:41.309] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "jungle caucasian" (Cargo Bay (169,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:43.601] GAME-EMOTE: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (172,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:43.761] GAME-EMOTE: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) points at Quartermaster's Office (Cargo Bay (173,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:44.065] GAME-EMOTE: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) points at Citrus (Cargo Bay (175,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:45.699] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:46.138] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "it is" (Quartermaster's Office (177,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:46.675] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicks Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:46.676] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:47.059] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "so joever" (Quartermaster's Office (176,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:48.199] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved *no key*/(Citrus) with pushing it (NEWHP: 50)  (Quartermaster's Office (177,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:50.973] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shaken Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (176,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:52.351] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shoved *no key*/(Citrus) with failing to move it (NEWHP: 50)  (Cargo Bay (175,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:54.158] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shaken Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (177,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:54.976] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (177,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:55.883] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (178,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:55.891] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) kicks Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:55.892] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 100)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:52:57.716] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) attacked Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with the space beer (NEWHP: 85)  (Quartermaster's Office (178,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:02.011] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) cracks his knuckles. (Quartermaster's Office (181,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:02.118] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (182,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:04.316] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "me when nooo" (Quartermaster's Office (179,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:05.433] GAME-EMOTE: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) cracks his knuckles. (Quartermaster's Office (179,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:07.292] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "nooo!!!" (Quartermaster's Office (184,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:08.951] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "CRATE" (Quartermaster's Office (177,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:17.741] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "FUCKING SLAVE :speaking_head:" (Cargo Bay (174,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:22.635] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (181,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:30.065] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (181,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:34.313] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (180,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:40.944] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (180,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:53:51.062] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (185,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:54:00.681] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (185,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:54:05.598] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Quartermaster's Office (185,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:54:21.939] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) Client Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) has taken ownership of mob Fig Newton(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Bitrunning Den (175,152,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:19.319] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) cracks his knuckles. (Cargo Bay (174,165,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:19.462] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) snaps his fingers. (Cargo Bay (174,166,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:22.542] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) has thrown the broken space beer  (Cargo Bay (174,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:39.241] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 47)  (Cargo Bay (169,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:41.036] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed *no key*/(Citrus) passive grab (NEWHP: 47)  (Cargo Bay (170,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:42.260] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 38)  (Cargo Bay (170,165,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:43.035] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 36)  (Cargo Bay (170,170,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:43.943] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 26)  (Cargo Bay (170,176,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:44.956] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 21)  (Cargo Bay (173,177,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:45.874] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 16)  (Cargo Bay (173,177,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:46.797] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 11)  (Cargo Bay (173,177,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:47.603] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 7)  (Cargo Bay (173,177,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:48.573] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: 0)  (Cargo Bay (173,177,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:55.556] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "btfo'd" (Cargo Bay (178,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:55:57.482] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed *no key*/(Citrus) passive grab (NEWHP: -2)  (Cargo Bay (179,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:56:07.063] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked *no key*/(Citrus) (NEWHP: -11)  (Cargo Bay (180,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:56:07.644] ATTACK: [power cable] electrocuted Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Fore Maintenance (172,181,2))
[2023-10-10 03:56:13.184] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "me if I knew" (Cargo Bay (177,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:56:17.034] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed *no key*/(Citrus) passive grab (NEWHP: -17)  (Cargo Bay (180,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:56:26.242] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "wypepo" (Cargo Bay (175,174,2))

Now look, it's LRP, you don't have to have a complex character here, but at the very least your character needs to be speaking conherant sentences, not what you'd find on a group chat. Posting emoji in your IC sentences:

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[2023-10-10 03:53:17.741] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "FUCKING SLAVE :speaking_head:" (Cargo Bay (174,161,2))

Is not that.

Right after this, you begin to wordlessly shove your own cargo tech, while stating 'laughing out loud'

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[2023-10-10 03:57:34.872] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (172,167,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:35.112] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (172,167,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:35.272] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (172,166,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:35.511] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the �DENIED rubber stamp (Cargo Bay (171,165,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:38.138] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Mining Office (174,155,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:38.990] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Bitrunning Den (174,151,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:39.390] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Bitrunning Den (174,152,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:40.465] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicks Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Bitrunning Den (174,152,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:40.467] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Bitrunning Den (174,152,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:45.315] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "laughing out loud" (Mining Office (174,156,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:49.359] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Cargo Bay (170,172,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:50.730] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Cargo Bay (173,174,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:57.169] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "laughing out loud" (Cargo Bay (172,168,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:11.132] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) splashed [��Cargo Bay omni air scrubber rqWmU] with Absinthe (100), (Cargo Bay (168,166,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:13.517] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with Gwyn's premium absinthe (NEWHP: 53.4)  (Cargo Bay (171,163,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:14.972] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with broken Gwyn's premium absinthe (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:15.456] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) kicks Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:15.462] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) into Jeremy Thompson (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:16.776] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (171,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:16.872] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:17.677] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:17.781] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,163,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:18.987] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (169,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:19.121] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shaken Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Cargo Bay (168,165,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:19.386] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) broke grab Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (169,164,2))

After this, it goes to normal escalation. Them calling you a Faggot was wrong, they should not have done that and they were warned for and apologised for that, but i don't see a convincing IC reasoning here in the logs why you did this. The ticket i opened with you, you didn't appear to have one either:

From Ticket #6 during round 216422 on Sybil:

---- Log Begins ----
2023-10-10 04:03:46: Ticket Opened by lorwp: Tone it down homie, bring him to medical and end the conflict. You're 100% in your rights to demote his ass though.
2023-10-10 04:04:06: Reply from xlink97: can I still break his legs for calling me a faggot
2023-10-10 04:04:22: Reply from lorwp: he's long in crit dude, that bit has been already very handled OOC too.
2023-10-10 04:04:29: Reply from xlink97: ok
2023-10-10 04:20:47: Reply from lorwp: Hi there, can you tell me how the conflict between you and that cargo tech earlier started?
2023-10-10 04:21:09: Reply from xlink97: the one who I killed and revived?
2023-10-10 04:21:15: Reply from lorwp: Yup, that one.
2023-10-10 04:22:07: Reply from xlink97: let me check my youth
2023-10-10 04:24:17: Reply from xlink97: I think I just shoved him tbh, I checked the logs and that's all I can find.
2023-10-10 04:24:32: Reply from lorwp: Okay, but here's the kicker, *why* did you shove him?
2023-10-10 04:24:53: Reply from lorwp: correctiom, why did you shove him will constantly going 'laughing out loud'
2023-10-10 04:26:06: Reply from xlink97: because I was messing with him? standard stuff really, but I think he eventually set me on fire which is how the conflict escalated
2023-10-10 04:26:28: Reply from lorwp: So you did it just because uh, you could?
2023-10-10 04:27:38: Reply from xlink97: yeah... I shoved him... because it didn't cause any damage to his character and I wanted to fool around.
2023-10-10 04:30:42: Reply from lorwp: Unfortunately they weren't too into it, evidently. I'm not really happy with this one homie, this plus your spamming of 'laughing out loud' (and generally your speech before this reminding me more of most discord #general channels than actual speech, to the point where at least one point you just posted an emoji IC.), particularly since you've been here quite a while, isn't very cool. Unless i'm missing something here, i'm inclined to give you a dayban for rule 1.
2023-10-10 04:32:25: Reply from lorwp: If i was more inclined you could argue this was escalation baiting, to be quite honest.
2023-10-10 04:33:32: Reply from xlink97: who's your admin mentor? play fighting isn't exactly a breach of "don't be an asshole" (that's what rule 1 is iirc), he jumped from shoves to breaking a bottle over my head and setting me on fire, if anything you should be getting onto him about escalation
2023-10-10 04:34:56: Reply from xlink97: it was shoving, and saying "laughing out loud". that's a 1 day ban? I got critted in a firelock for hitting a window a few times, it's not baystation lol
2023-10-10 04:37:00: Reply from lorwp: Unfortunately we'll have to agree to disagree here. I see you making no attempt to deescalate here, or you just using your regular self defense tools as a head of staff, like your telebaton. Either you just did this to be a dick, or you were baiting them into escalating with you, and got lucky when they called you a slur. If you have issue with this, you're welcome to appeal on the forums, have a nice day.
2023-10-10 04:37:37: Reply from xlink97: I let him go until he got homophobic, if anything that's his fault
2023-10-10 04:39:00: Client disconnected
2023-10-10 04:39:00: <a>Lorwp</a>/(Isnt-That-Creative) has created a temporary 1440 minutes server ban for Xlink97.
2023-10-10 04:39:00: Resolved by Lorwp
---- No Further Messages ----

This ticket can be viewed:

• By the affected player: http://statbus.space/tickets/216422/6
• By admins: http://statbus.space/tgdb/tickets/216422/6

This ticket was generated by Statbus v.1.17.5

I'm happy to amend the note, but i don't seem a compelling reason here to lift this. It became a day ban due to your existing history for similar behavior, you've been here long enough to know this isn't okay. This seems to purely have been done either for your own entertainment, or to bait them into fighting you back.

[sinfulbliss]

2023-10-10 04:24:32: Reply from lorwp: Okay, but here's the kicker, *why* did you shove him?

My issue is primarily with your behavior leading up to this, and the initial start of the conflict itself

From Hulkmania’s explanation of escalation rules (the writer of current escalation rules) re: “instigating a conflict”:

There are no new limits on instigation other than someone impeding your ability to do your job . . . This is to say if this does not have long-lasting impacts on your ability to do your job, this is the only time this is an issue. The policy was specifically made with the idea in mind that not all conflict is bad, and that putting a stop to all non-antag conflict would be horrible for the game.

viewtopic.php?f=85&t=31034
Relevant part of escalation rules:

As a non-antagonist you may begin conflict with another player with valid reason (refusal of critical services, belligerent attitude, etc) OR if it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules#:~:t ... 0continues. (emphasis mine)

[xlink97]

"As a Non-Antag QM, harassed one of their cargo techs into escalating a conflict with them, until said cargo tech called them a slur and gave them an excuse to kill them. I'm not sure if you were just being a dick or escalation baiting here, but this isn't particularly cool behavior to just harass people for fun, particularly as a head of staff."

Not once was my speech mentioned in the ban quote at all. Your new reasoning is a complete turnaround from anything even resembling the original ban reason. I said "laughing out loud" during a shoving match and joked around with another cargo tech at round-start. "reason for the ban isn't 100% accurate" is also a HUGE stretch considering your complete reversal.

"i'm inclined to give you a dayban for rule 1."

Rule 1, don't be a dick. The blanket rule for poor sportsmanship.
Am I "Going out of my way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification?" If this ban is about what you say it is and not about me breaking escalation somehow, then invoking this rule is completely moot.

You're doing a complete 180 from the actual ban reason, I didn't even do anything to harm anyone's round.

[lorwp]

Not once was my speech mentioned in the ban quote at all. Your new reasoning is a complete turnaround from anything even resembling the original ban reason. I said "laughing out loud" during a shoving match and joked around with another cargo tech at round-start. "reason for the ban isn't 100% accurate" is also a HUGE stretch considering your complete reversal.

This was documented in the ticket, the ban reason was edited to be more accurate to this. I apologize for this not being clearer from the start.

Rule 1, don't be a dick. The blanket rule for poor sportsmanship.
Am I "Going out of my way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification?" If this ban is about what you say it is and not about me breaking escalation somehow, then invoking this rule is completely moot.

You're correct, actually. This is an escalation issue, not a rule 1 issue. The reason rule 1 came to mind at the time was due to this line from the other party, after i told them they could consider MRP if they wanted a chiller experience:

[2023-10-10 04:19:16.487] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #7: Jay-Zero/(Eustace Wolfe)->Lorwp/(Isnt-That-Creative): Nah, I think I&#39;m done with /tg/station for now. Going to take a break from dealing with asshole players and try different servers. Somewhere players ACTUALLY do their job instead of hassling others.

To be honest, i was at least a touched bothered that this behavior led to someone who has been happily playing since 2012, with no obvious history of quitting the game frustrated like this before, deciding they were sick of here. They might've had their own reasons for that, i don't know, but i can agree with them that i'm quite tired of people starting fights purely for their own amusement here.

I'm willing to lift this ban entirely if you can give me a convincing reason why your character (not you) started this conflict in the first place. I don't think they had a unreasonable expectation that their boss would not interfere with their ability to do their job, they may have continued the conflict, but they had no reason to expect that if they just stopped you'd allow them to go back to work.

[Soyoboyo]

I did a preliminary log dive and found all the instances in which Jeremy Thompson and Fig Newton were in contact and had a conflict.

The first time they interact physically is at Cargo Bay starting with Jeremy knocking Fig onto a table

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[2023-10-10 03:57:04.351] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:05.183] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicks Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:57:05.184] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Cargo Office (160,160,2))

Notably, Jeremy bottle smashes (knockdown; harm intent right click head) Fig with some absinthe from an abandoned crate that was opened in the bay

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[2023-10-10 03:58:13.517] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with Gwyn's premium absinthe (NEWHP: 53.4)  (Cargo Bay (171,163,2))

but they continue to shove fight for a while

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[2023-10-10 03:58:16.776] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (171,162,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:16.872] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:17.677] ATTACK: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,164,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:17.781] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (170,163,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:18.987] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Bay (169,164,2))

After a certain point, Fig attacks Jeremy and sets him on fire with a welding tool

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[2023-10-10 03:58:31.570] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) attacked Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 73.1)  (Cargo Bay (175,173,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:31.572] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) set Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) on fire with the welding tool. (Cargo Bay (175,173,2))

At which point Jeremy proceeds to extinguish himself and then beat Fig to crit

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~10x [2023-10-10 03:58:40.184] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/water (1u, 1 purity)) from the fire extinguisher to [water] (Cargo Office (161,161,2))

[2023-10-10 03:58:42.068] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) threw and hit Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with the broken Gwyn's premium absinthe (NEWHP: 71.4)  (Cargo Office (165,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:47.556] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has thrown the fire extinguisher  (Cargo Office (163,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:50.692] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Office (156,160,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:51.539] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicks Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Office (157,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:51.539] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 46.6)  (Cargo Office (157,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:52.491] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 34.6)  (Cargo Office (158,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:53.296] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 22.6)  (Cargo Office (158,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:54.137] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 10.6)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:55.163] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -1.4)  (Cargo Office (158,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:56.014] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -13.4)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:57.039] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -25.4)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:57.937] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -34.4)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:58:58.784] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -47.1)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))

After Fig is in crit, Jeremy proceeds to take him to medical

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[2023-10-10 03:59:00.800] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "kenough" (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:09.678] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm taking you to med" (Cargo Office (161,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:01.547] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: -47.7)  (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:05.798] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -49.1)  (Cargo Office (161,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:11.046] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) started fireman carrying Fig Newton. (Cargo Office (161,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:11.047] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) was fireman carried by Jeremy Thompson. (Cargo Office (160,159,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:37.374] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "med open" (Medbay Lobby (160,98,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:38.872] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "man dying" (Medbay Lobby (160,98,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:39.445] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) is no longer being ridden by Fig Newton. (Medbay Lobby (160,100,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:39.446] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) is no longer riding Jeremy Thompson. (Medbay Lobby (160,100,2))

And proceeds to treat his wounds

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[2023-10-10 03:59:44.023] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) fed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with /datum/reagent/medicine/epinephrine (30u, 1 purity) (NEWHP: -61.7)  (Medbay Lobby (160,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:44.025] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/epinephrine (5u, 1 purity)) from the epinephrine bottle to [stomach] (Medbay Lobby (160,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:53.179] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -46.1)  (Medbay Lobby (160,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:54.883] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -34.6)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:55.799] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -23.4)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:56.703] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -13.4)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:57.613] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -2.1)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:58.528] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: 7.9)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 03:59:59.418] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: 17.9)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:00.325] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: 27.9)  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))

Dialogue is exchanged and I'm not sure what 'shit' Jeremy is referring to but perhaps it's the toolbox and gas analyzer? (Fig has not been stripped of items at this time)

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[2023-10-10 03:59:57.944] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "take your shit young man" (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:05.559] GAME-SAY: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "Fuck you Jeremy you fucking faggot." (Medbay Lobby (160,100,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:01.126] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has thrown the mechanical toolbox  (Medbay Lobby (159,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:06.571] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has thrown the gas analyzer  (Medbay Lobby (162,101,2))

Jeremy proceeds to shove Fig and the latter uses the toolbox as a weapon.

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[2023-10-10 04:00:10.854] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 32.9)  (Medbay Lobby (158,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:13.347] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) attacked Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 53.1)  (Medbay Lobby (159,99,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:13.452] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 37.9)  (Medbay Lobby (158,100,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:14.296] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) attacked Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 44.1)  (Medbay Lobby (160,99,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:14.362] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 37.9)  (Medbay Lobby (159,100,2))

Jeremy proceeds to heal himself with sutures in the halls

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[2023-10-10 04:00:24.662] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with suture (NEWHP: 53.1)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (148,105,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:27.383] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with suture (NEWHP: 63.1)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (148,105,2))
[2023-10-10 04:00:35.642] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with suture (NEWHP: 65.1)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (148,105,2))

The next time they interact is a minute later in the Escape Shuttle Hallway. The usual path to cargo out of Medbay would be through the north entrance and then skirting around the central superstructure of the station, so it is an interesting place for the two to find each other. Jeremy is the only one who lands attacks so it's uncertain if both parties are participating in the fight or not.

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[2023-10-10 04:00:56.428] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 38.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:00.612] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 28.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,97,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:01.463] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 18.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,97,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:02.510] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) (NEWHP: 65.1)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (171,96,2))

They seem to disengage since Jeremy proceeds to make fun of Fig on common radio

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[2023-10-10 04:01:06.390] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "SSEEEC" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,98,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:07.446] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "SEC" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,95,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:10.497] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HE CALLED ME" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,92,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:16.480] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "he called me a FAGGOT" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,90,2))

And a bystander seems to enjoy the fight

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[2023-10-10 04:01:21.673] GAME-SAY: MilkMang/(Tabris Evangel) "WOAHHHHHHHHHHH" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:22.761] GAME-SAY: MilkMang/(Tabris Evangel) "Based." (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:25.391] GAME-SAY: MilkMang/(Tabris Evangel) "Keep it up." (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:25.492] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "based!" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,90,2))

And then the fight continues

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[2023-10-10 04:01:27.721] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: 18.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,88,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:28.089] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) broke grab Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 18.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,89,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:29.182] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 8.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (171,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:30.407] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicks Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 8.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (171,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:30.408] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) shoved Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 8.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (171,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:31.462] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -1.3)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:32.277] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10.3)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:33.239] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -20.3)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:34.289] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -29.4)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:35.260] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -39.4)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))

Ending with Jeremy saying

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[2023-10-10 04:01:36.452] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bastard" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:41.459] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "don't call me a FAGGOT again" (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,86,2))

And Jeremy goes back to healing him with sutures. It looks like he tries to go for a fireman carry but cancels it (probably because Fig had enough HP to stand up and therefore would fail the fireman). Fig shoves him down at which point Jeremy puts him back into crit and carries him to Cargo Office

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[2023-10-10 04:01:44.649] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -25.2)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,86,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:45.552] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -15.2)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,86,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:46.464] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) healed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with suture (NEWHP: -4.4)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,86,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:56.365] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: -0.9)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:01:57.375] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 0)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,85,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:00.461] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) broke grab Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 0.7)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,86,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:01.533] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) shoved Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 65.1)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,84,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:04.478] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -9.3)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (170,82,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:06.229] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: -8.4)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,82,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:07.214] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -8.4)  (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,83,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:12.900] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) started fireman carrying Fig Newton. (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,84,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:12.900] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) was fireman carried by Jeremy Thompson. (Escape Shuttle Hallway (169,83,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:29.519] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) is no longer being ridden by Fig Newton. (Cargo Office (157,157,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:29.520] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) is no longer riding Jeremy Thompson. (Cargo Office (157,157,2))

I'm not sure how Fig regains enough health to come out of crit as he goes from -8.4 in the Escape Shuttle Hallway to enough to take a punch and stay right outside of crit, but three seconds after he's dropped at Cargo Office Jeremy hits him with two punches and proceeds to crit him again

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[2023-10-10 04:02:32.008] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) kicked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: 0.5)  (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:32.011] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) got a stun punch with their previous punch Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (NEWHP: -10.5)  (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:32.950] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -19.7)  (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:34.061] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -29.6)  (Cargo Lobby (157,155,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:35.267] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) passive grab (NEWHP: -28.8)  (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:36.169] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) grabbed Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -28.8)  (Cargo Lobby (157,153,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:37.198] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) attacked Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -37.9)  (Cargo Lobby (157,153,2))

And says the following which I can't place the context of. Up to him to elaborate.

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[2023-10-10 04:02:42.365] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "me if I didn't know when to stop" (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))

There's no more combat logs for the next several minutes as Jeremy deliberates what to do with him. I included logs which I thought directly involved Jeremy since there was other stuff going on in the vicinity (mainly me kicking the clown out of cargo bay and a guy trying to print conveyors). Ctrl+F Cargo Lobby, Cargo Office, and Cargo Bay at around the time of the logs below to double check me.

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[2023-10-10 04:02:44.407] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) started fireman carrying Fig Newton. (Cargo Lobby (157,154,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:44.407] GAME: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) was fireman carried by Jeremy Thompson. (Cargo Lobby (157,153,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:51.245] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "torture time!" (Cargo Bay (168,165,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:55.378] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "he's joe mad" (Cargo Bay (166,162,2))
[2023-10-10 04:02:59.795] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "it's joever" (Cargo Bay (169,165,2))
[2023-10-10 04:03:04.038] GAME-SAY: Fallen1220/(Cole Stone) "what is he" (Cargo Bay (169,162,2))
[2023-10-10 04:03:12.477] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "he called me a faggot" (Cargo Bay (169,165,2))
[2023-10-10 04:03:14.863] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "get some coil" (Cargo Bay (169,165,2))
[2023-10-10 04:03:17.483] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm not gonna kill him" (Cargo Bay (169,165,2))
[2023-10-10 04:03:57.811] GAME-WHISPER: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "Kiss my ass cunt." (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:03.210] GAME-SAY: Soyoboyo/(Slavik Gulahkin) "dawg why is our man in critikawets" (Cargo Office (158,159,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:11.177] GAME-SAY: Fallen1220/(Cole Stone) "he cuffed" (Cargo Office (159,161,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:12.676] GAME-WHISPER: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "I'm trying to heal up and do Bitrunning." (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:17.768] GAME-WHISPER: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "And he goes out of his way to push me around." (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:18.898] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "no homiephobia" (Cargo Office (160,160,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:32.025] GAME-SAY: Fallen1220/(Cole Stone) "cut his leg off" (Cargo Bay (167,160,2))

Jeremy proceeds to deposit Fig within Medical a second time

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[2023-10-10 04:04:18.898] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "no homiephobia" (Cargo Office (160,160,2))  (copied since relevant to conversation)
[2023-10-10 04:04:40.830] GAME-SAY: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "Nah, I aint' apologizing until you do first." (Fore Central Primary Hallway (170,120,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:46.237] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "no" (Medbay Lobby (163,100,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:48.917] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "hey" (Medbay Lobby (158,98,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:52.791] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "BALIFF!!" (Medbay Lobby (158,98,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:54.551] GAME-SAY: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "Then kiss my ass bitchtits." (Medbay Lobby (158,99,2))
[2023-10-10 04:04:54.832] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "SMACK HIS NUTS!" (Medbay Lobby (158,98,2))

And gets the idea to take Fig's money

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[2023-10-10 04:05:02.149] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "that's it" (Medbay Lobby (164,101,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:08.237] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "your cash is going to cargo" (Medical (159,95,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:15.735] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) is stripping Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) of Fig Newton (Bitrunner). (Medbay Treatment Center (162,90,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:19.443] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has stripped Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) of Fig Newton (Bitrunner). (Medbay Treatment Center (162,90,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:21.943] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "that's kenough out of you" (Medbay Treatment Center (162,90,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:28.210] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) has thrown Fig Newton's ID Card (Bitrunner)  (Medbay Treatment Center (161,90,2))
[2023-10-10 04:05:28.213] ATTACK: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) threw and hit Longines/(Pike Yeskey) with Fig Newton's ID Card (Bitrunner) (NEWHP: 100)  (Medbay Treatment Center (161,90,2))

After this point Fig gets fed up and commits suicide in space (after being healed by Medbay staff).

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[2023-10-10 04:06:20.006] GAME-SAY: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "I'm out." (Medbay Treatment Center (159,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:06:21.949] GAME-SAY: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) "Fuck this station." (Medbay Treatment Center (159,87,2))
[2023-10-10 04:07:03.372] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) (job: Bitrunner) committed suicide (Space (168,241,11))
[2023-10-10 04:07:03.377] ATTACK: Jay-Zero/(Fig Newton) has died (BRUTE: 48, BURN: 8.4, TOX: 0, OXY: 143.6, CLONE: 0) (Space (168,241,11))

All logs are taken from these two log files:
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... 2/game.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... attack.txt

[xlink97]

I'm willing to lift this ban entirely if you can give me a convincing reason why your character (not you) started this conflict in the first place. I don't think they had a unreasonable expectation that their boss would not interfere with their ability to do their job. They may have continued the conflict, but they had no reason to expect that if they just stopped you'd allow them to go back to work.

This seems like a two part demand:
1. Prove that I had a good reason to screw with Fig to start the whole situation.
2. Prove that I would have allowed them to work normally if they dropped the conflict and returned peacefully.

So, since this is SPECIFICALLY not a Rule 1 violation but rather an escalation policy violation, let me address your demand to prove that I was valid in starting the conflict. According to the Hulkamania post linked by Sinfulbliss, I'm allowed to engage in small scale instigation such as a shove fight as long as it doesn't "*EXCESSIVELY* interfere with [Fig's] job." I was willing to keep the shove match as a simple shove match that didn't "PREVENT someone from doing their job," but after being set on fire I took the opportunity to "respond [with the] level of violence that [Fig] respond[ed] with [him]self.", e.g. critting him with a toolbox. Afterwards, I specifically took them to medbay to comply with the escalation policy, stating "If a conflict leads to violence and either participant is incapacitated, the standing participant is expected to make an effort to treat the other." The fact that Fig attacked me with a toolbox after I healed him in medbay meant he took the responsibility of the second half of the policy, which states "Once [the incapacitated party is] treated, the conflict is over; any new conflict with either individual must escalate once again." The scuffle I had with him in Evac Hallway afterwards was entirely his choice, I was willing to drop it and took steps to ensure I could separate myself from him.
I think shove matches are fun, and according to Hulkamania I wasn't in violation of the escalation policy for starting one. If anything, my actions followed Hulkamania's guideline to a T. I instigated an act that minorly affected Fig's ability to perform his job (the shove match) and he, as the defender, chose to escalate the shove match into a lethal fight (by using a welder and setting me on fire, he could have just continued shoving or said "stop"). Even after that, I did my duty as instigator and brought him to medbay to end the conflict and make sure that he can return to work.

I was also entirely willing to let this all go after the first trip to medbay as evidenced by my DISENGAGEMENT from Fig. After he started swinging at me with the toolbox I dipped out of Medbay and started healing myself in the halls. He was the one who approached me outside of Medbay in Evac Shuttle Hall and willingly started a new scuffle instead of making his way back to Cargo. I didn't just see him walking down the hall and laser onto him like a toolbox training dummy; it was obvious that he was trying to go for another round. In self defense, I rocked his shit in. Even afterwards, the second trip to Medbay was the same story. I dropped him off at Medbay again and made my way back to Cargo without any further conflict or instigation.

[lorwp]

This ban expired not long ago, so unless you're interested in having the note removed (which i'm not particularly interested in doing after reviewing your say history before this round), i'll be locking and moving this in 24 hours.

[xlink97]

I'm interested in having the note removed, and can I have a headmin review this entire thing?

[xlink97]

This ban expired not long ago, so unless you're interested in having the note removed (which i'm not particularly interested in doing after reviewing your say history before this round), i'll be locking and moving this in 24 hours.

What do you mean by "before this round", by the way?

[lorwp]

This ban expired not long ago, so unless you're interested in having the note removed (which i'm not particularly interested in doing after reviewing your say history before this round), i'll be locking and moving this in 24 hours.

What do you mean by "before this round", by the way?

Having skimmed the last ~150 rounds of your say history:

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 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:31.961] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (58,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:32.818] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (58,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:33.884] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (54,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:34.799] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (54,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:35.814] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (54,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:36.798] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (52,138,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:37.735] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (50,136,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:39.448] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAAAAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (50,131,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:40.879] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Arrival Shuttle Hallway (50,128,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:42.930] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP" (Vacant Office (56,125,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:07:44.074] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "RAPE" (Vacant Office (56,125,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:08:08.171] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "forceful sissification" (Vacant Office Hallway 
 

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 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:47:55.918] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "hngggggggggg" (Cargo Bay (53,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:02.275] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "rrr,rrr,rrr,rrr" (Cargo Bay (54,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:06.858] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "rrr,rrr,rrr,rrr" (Cargo Bay (54,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:08.142] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "rrr,rrr,rrr,rrr" (Cargo Bay (54,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:11.016] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Cargo Bay (52,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:11.168] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at Alannah O'Neill (Cargo Bay (52,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:11.375] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at Alannah O'Neill (Cargo Bay (52,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:14.658] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "rrr,rrr,rrr,rrr" (Cargo Bay (52,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:18.623] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "no sex" (Cargo Bay (52,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:21.541] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the pride pin (Cargo Bay (51,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:21.739] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the pride pin (Cargo Bay (51,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:23.188] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "no sex" (Cargo Bay (51,153,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:25.046] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the pride pin (Cargo Bay (50,151,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:30.245] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "rrr,rrr,rrr,rrr" (Cargo Bay (49,151,2))
 Sybil 207932 | [2023-06-10 02:48:33.417] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "waga baba bobo" (Cargo Bay (49,151,2))
 

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 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:24:52.719] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "ARRIVALS" (Port Primary Hallway (71,141,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:24:56.143] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "TO ARRIVALS" (Port Primary Hallway (81,141,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:03.695] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "THE HOOD" (Port Primary Hallway (91,141,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:11.450] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "ggrrr I need guns" (Fore Primary Hallway (112,156,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:14.544] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "they eivkl" (Fore Primary Hallway (112,146,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:17.467] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "the evil" (Central Primary Hallway (112,142,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:21.019] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "the metagangen" (Fore Primary Hallway (112,156,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:25.021] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "they're metaganging me!" (Fore Primary Hallway (112,155,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:29.181] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "they have flasherinos" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,156,4))
 Sybil 214374 | [2023-09-11 05:25:31.428] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I need gunerinos" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,156,4))
 

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 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:13:47.629] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "WOW" (Maltese Falcon (132,130,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:13:49.040] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "ASSAULT" (Maltese Falcon (132,130,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:13:54.991] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP HELP" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:13:59.378] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'M BEING REPRESSED!!!" (Maltese Falcon (129,133,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:01.597] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP" (Maltese Falcon (132,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:09.281] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'M BEING REPRESSED AT THE BAR" (Maltese Falcon (136,135,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:22.572] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP" (Maltese Falcon (134,133,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:32.005] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "NOW WE SEE THE VIOILENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM" (Maltese Falcon (138,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:37.298] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HELP" (Maltese Falcon (128,131,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:38.189] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at Shane Rockwell (Maltese Falcon (129,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:38.638] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) points at the floor (Maltese Falcon (129,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:40.167] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "SHANE!!" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:43.425] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "HE'S HUURTING MEEEEEE" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:14:51.731] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'M BEING REPRESSED" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:01.701] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "hey wait" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:03.255] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm asexual" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:06.008] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "that makes me lgbt" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:10.416] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "so I'm a repressed group" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:14.896] GAME-WHISPER: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "help" (Maltese Falcon (130,132,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:28.910] GAME-WHISPER: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "help" (Maltese Falcon (129,131,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:33.971] GAME-WHISPER: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm scared" (Maltese Falcon (129,131,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:34.629] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) was fireman carried by Shane Rockwell. (Maltese Falcon (129,131,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:39.243] GAME-EMOTE: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) gasps! (Central Primary Hallway (123,114,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:39.392] GAME-WHISPER: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm scared" (Central Primary Hallway (122,114,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:15:50.525] GAME: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) is no longer riding Shane Rockwell. (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:44.527] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:46.345] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:48.008] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:50.243] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!!!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:56.345] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:16:58.063] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:17:01.050] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:17:02.588] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald!!!" (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:13.818] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "help" (Maltese Falcon (132,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:19.149] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "I'm bald" (Maltese Falcon (132,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:24.778] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "help" (Maltese Falcon (136,130,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:28.125] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald" (Maltese Falcon (135,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:29.145] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald" (Maltese Falcon (135,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:30.206] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald" (Maltese Falcon (135,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:32.028] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald" (Maltese Falcon (133,129,2))
 Sybil 207748 | [2023-06-07 06:18:33.153] GAME-SAY: Xlink97/(Jeremy Thompson) "bald" (Bar (131,128,2))
 

Look, i don't have an interest in combing through the specific round logs for these and picking through whatever rule breaking issues there are (the only one really being particularly evident being you screaming rape repetively), but it did give a serious impression that your roleplay (even by the low standards of uh, low roleplay) was poor.

[xlink97]

If it's a non-issue in regards to the current notes then it's a non-issue, but can I get the full round logs for these excerpts? These all look wildly out of context.

[Vekter]

If it's a non-issue in regards to the current notes then it's a non-issue, but can I get the full round logs for these excerpts? These all look wildly out of context.

Our logs are all public; you can view them at https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ or use a tool like Scrubby to search them.

[xlink97]

If it's a non-issue in regards to the current notes then it's a non-issue, but can I get the full round logs for these excerpts? These all look wildly out of context.

Our logs are all public; you can view them at https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ or use a tool like Scrubby to search them.

Thanks.

[xlink97]

This ban expired not long ago, so unless you're interested in having the note removed (which i'm not particularly interested in doing after reviewing your say history before this round), i'll be locking and moving this in 24 hours.

You also completely ignored my explanation on why the shove fight was within the boundaries of the server rules, and the ban reason/note hasn't been changed to reflect the fact that.

The only reason that the fight could possibly be against the rules at all is if it was "escalation bait", and it's pretty obvious that it wasn't, considering the fact that I gave him chance after chance to end the conflict.

Bottom line is, the conflict shouldn't even be included in the ban reason; it wasn't against the rules.

This:

As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift and wordlessly started a conflict with one of their Cargo techs. I'm not sure if the intention here was to be a dick, or escalation bait, but this isn't particularly cool behavior.

Should look more like this:

Demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift.

[lorwp]

Bottom line is, the conflict shouldn't even be included in the ban reason; it wasn't against the rules.

This:

As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift and wordlessly started a conflict with one of their Cargo techs. I'm not sure if the intention here was to be a dick, or escalation bait, but this isn't particularly cool behavior.

Should look more like this:

Demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift.

Sure, i'll take that compromise here. I'm still not pleased with the escalation, but you're right, the policy isn't applicable here (and is in the middle of being reworded for a reason).

Lorwp Edit:
I've edited it to the following

Banned from the server for 1440 minutes - As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift, leading to escalation with one of their cargo techs. The esclation was fine, per the appeal here, but i'm not happy with your roleplay, please keep it up to a basic standard, even on the LRP servers.

[xlink97]

Banned from the server for 1440 minutes - As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift, leading to escalation with one of their cargo techs. The esclation was fine, per the appeal here, but i'm not happy with your roleplay, please keep it up to a basic standard, even on the LRP servers.

The "NRP behavior at the start of the shift" didn't lead to escalation with the cargo tech in question. That was between me and a different cargo tech. Why is it even mentioned in the note at all?

[xlink97]

Headmin review, if Lorwp isn't going to respond.

[Cheshify]

There's still discussion to be had, I've poked Lorwp about responding.

[TheBibleMelts]

Banned from the server for 1440 minutes - As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift, leading to escalation with one of their cargo techs. The esclation was fine, per the appeal here, but i'm not happy with your roleplay, please keep it up to a basic standard, even on the LRP servers.

The "NRP behavior at the start of the shift" didn't lead to escalation with the cargo tech in question. That was between me and a different cargo tech. Why is it even mentioned in the note at all?

Are you certain that your behavior at the start of the shift didn't influence the later conflict at all? I could see the angle of employees sharing or witnessing their boss acting afool from the sideline and letting that lower the bar for how much they were willing to tolerate from you.

[xlink97]

Are you certain that your behavior at the start of the shift didn't influence the later conflict at all? I could see the angle of employees sharing or witnessing their boss acting afool from the sideline and letting that lower the bar for how much they were willing to tolerate from you.

Absolutely. The cargo tech I got into a fight with wasn't present for the tomfoolery between me and the other technician.

[lorwp]

Sorry, i was under the impression this was waiting on Headmins.

Are you certain that your behavior at the start of the shift didn't influence the later conflict at all? I could see the angle of employees sharing or witnessing their boss acting afool from the sideline and letting that lower the bar for how much they were willing to tolerate from you.

Absolutely. The cargo tech I got into a fight with wasn't present for the tomfoolery between me and the other technician.

This doesn't really change anything here, The NRP behavior at the start of the shift was noted to establish a pattern of behavior to shortly after where you started shoving the cargo tech.

[xlink97]

Not once was my speech mentioned in the ban quote at all. Your new reasoning is a complete turnaround from anything even resembling the original ban reason. I said "laughing out loud" during a shoving match and joked around with another cargo tech at round-start. "reason for the ban isn't 100% accurate" is also a HUGE stretch considering your complete reversal.

This was documented in the ticket, the ban reason was edited to be more accurate to this. I apologize for this not being clearer from the start.

Rule 1, don't be a dick. The blanket rule for poor sportsmanship.
Am I "Going out of my way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification?" If this ban is about what you say it is and not about me breaking escalation somehow, then invoking this rule is completely moot.

You're correct, actually. This is an escalation issue, not a rule 1 issue. The reason rule 1 came to mind at the time was due to this line from the other party, after i told them they could consider MRP if they wanted a chiller experience:

[2023-10-10 04:19:16.487] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #7: Jay-Zero/(Eustace Wolfe)->Lorwp/(Isnt-That-Creative): Nah, I think I&#39;m done with /tg/station for now. Going to take a break from dealing with asshole players and try different servers. Somewhere players ACTUALLY do their job instead of hassling others.

To be honest, i was at least a touched bothered that this behavior led to someone who has been happily playing since 2012, with no obvious history of quitting the game frustrated like this before, deciding they were sick of here. They might've had their own reasons for that, i don't know, but i can agree with them that i'm quite tired of people starting fights purely for their own amusement here.

I'm willing to lift this ban entirely if you can give me a convincing reason why your character (not you) started this conflict in the first place. I don't think they had a unreasonable expectation that their boss would not interfere with their ability to do their job, they may have continued the conflict, but they had no reason to expect that if they just stopped you'd allow them to go back to work.

"You're correct, actually. This is an escalation issue, not a rule 1 issue. The reason rule 1 came to mind at the time was due to this line from the other party, after i told them they could consider MRP if they wanted a chiller experience:"

Bottom line is, the conflict shouldn't even be included in the ban reason; it wasn't against the rules.

This:

As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift and wordlessly started a conflict with one of their Cargo techs. I'm not sure if the intention here was to be a dick, or escalation bait, but this isn't particularly cool behavior.

Should look more like this:

Demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift.

Sure, i'll take that compromise here. I'm still not pleased with the escalation, but you're right, the policy isn't applicable here (and is in the middle of being reworded for a reason).

Lorwp Edit:
I've edited it to the following

Banned from the server for 1440 minutes - As a Non-Antag QM, demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shift, leading to escalation with one of their cargo techs. The esclation was fine, per the appeal here, but i'm not happy with your roleplay, please keep it up to a basic standard, even on the LRP servers.

"Sure, i'll take that compromise here. I'm still not pleased with the escalation, but you're right, the policy isn't applicable here (and is in the middle of being reworded for a reason)."

So it was established that this isn't a rule 1 issue.
Then, it was established that this isn't an escalation issue.
So purportedly, the NRP should be the only issue here.

...Which leads me back to my original point. However, I'd like to expand on that point here.
I'll start by breaking down the ban reason piece by piece, mentioning unnecessary, exaggerated, or otherwise false information.

Banned from the server for 1440 minutes

First of all, I think this is unjustified considering the magnitude of the "offense". It's already been established that this isn't an escalation issue, nor is it a rule 1 issue. The only thing that possibly could have been wrong with my actions was the NRP, and I'm sure some pretty serious NRP would have to have been committed to justify a 1-day ban like that.

As a Non-Antag QM,

This shouldn't be mentioned, because I didn't break any escalation rule at any point. Again, since we know it's not an escalation or rule 1 issue, the only rule violated was rule 3, which still applies to antagonists. Therefore, my non-antagonist status that round is irrelevant.

demonstrated very NRP behavior at the start of the shiftn

This is acceptable.

leading to escalation with one of their cargo techs.

Like I mentioned in my previous response regarding the ban note, the NRP behavior at the start of the shift was not at all relevant to the fight that occurred later down the line. And like I said responding to TheBibleMelts, the cargo tech that I fought with wasn't present. Therefore, there is absolutely no possible connection between the NRP at the start of the shift and the fight.

The esclation was fine, per the appeal here,

This isn't false, but I do have a problem with it. Instead of mentioning the fact that there was NRP at the start of the shift which 'led to' a fight later on (which is then subsequently regarded as acceptable within the confines of the rules), it would be better to simply cut the fight out of the note entirely, as opposed to mentioning it as if it were a violation of the rules, only to deem it acceptable afterwards. Mention of the fight, and the escalation, and the appeal, is irrelevant and only serves to add confusing clutter for any future admin looking back on the note.

but i'm not happy with your roleplay, please keep it up to a basic standard, even on the LRP servers.

Also acceptable, but this would need to be reworded along with any other change to the note, obviously

Overall, most of what's mentioned in the note simply isn't relevant to the actual rule violation that took place.

[lorwp]

Hey,

I've had time to think about this owing to the long delay here, and have decided it's better worth the the time here to just remove the note at this stage. The reasoning for the ban should've been accurate in the first place, so i don't see it worth it to continue pushing it here.

[xlink97]

Thanks.