[Archie700] NickFLR - Murderboning/Rule 11

[NickFLR]

My Byond Account: NickFLR
Character name: Nyle Abdallah
Admin: Archie700
Punishment: Permanent ban
Reason: "made his objective "Detonate 20 maxcaps" and bombed areas in a 15 person round,
being responsible for the deaths of 5 people and only being stopped because he was killed. After respawning as a
barmaid, proceeded to say "the homo squad" and "sounds like an F slur". You have been warned multiple times
over lowpop murderboning and Rule 11 and yet you continue this. I am reinstating the perma due to your
continued behavior."
Ban date: 2023-11-18
Round ID: 218975

Before I get into my appeal, I'd like to correct the mistake I believe was made on the reason, the context behind me saying "sounds like an F slur" was when someone had asked who Nyle was, and I responded by ironically calling myself an "F slur" (see attached screenshot) And the usage of "Homo squad" was towards the slime people because of the different colors they were (yes I am fully aware of this being a mistake, but I will get into that.)

Firstly, I would like to point out how in Rule 11, it states Intentionally seeking to demean others due to their actual or perceived race, sex, gender, disability, orientation or the like is not tolerated. It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject the expression of bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.
This means rather than warning or banning for quoting a usage such as "Griff McNazi got banned for calling somebody a faggot" or even things like "nigga pls" and "what are you faggots playing" which are generally not statements made to be bigoted, we'll focus more on statements like "you talk like a [insert stereotype]" or "x is a [insert slur]". I do not believe my usage of "Homo squad" was in direct violation of that rule, as per stated in the rule, the example phrase as 'what are you faggots playing' was used as an acceptable term, which, I would like to assume calling someone a "Faggot" would be a whole lot worse than calling a group of multicolored slime people the "Homo squad." Not to mention how I've been noted before for using the term "retard" which I've seen well over 10 different people use the same term and receive no punishment for, but, I digress because that isn't the intention of this appeal.

Secondly, I would like to stress my confusion on the murderboning policy. I have seen many other people do similar things as me and get no punishment, such as murdering half the people on the emergency shuttle, or even massacre most of the crew with a fireaxe. I've been over the whole "just because you saw someone else do it doesn't mean its okay" thing with another admin, but I feel as though there is a lack of constancy. On a server like Beestation, it is clearly stated in the rules that you are NOT allowed to kill ANYONE who isn't involved with your objectives. Its clear, it leaves no room for confusion. I'm very much aware that murderboning isn't acceptable, but in sybil is it a different story? I've been told that people have often gone on massive murder sprees racking up well over 10 kills on sybil with no admin intervention. Another thing I'd like to add is how my punishments are about the most inconsistent thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Before my last permanent ban I had maxcapped security on Kilostation and got a 3 day ban, and just soon after that, a single altercation that resulted in the death of 1 crewmember warranted a week ban. Can you at least kind of see why I'd be a bit confused? I understand that breaking rules is going to result in a ban, but it just seems so counter intuitive to instead of laying out a simple "this is what we do for each infraction." the admins seem to just decide on spot what the extremity the punishment would be. This also results in many people believing that certain admins end up banning them in bad faith, and over punishing people.

Apart from that, even if this appeal is denied, I would like to add I genuinely did enjoy /tg/ as a whole, and I wish nothing but the best for the server, and if instead of taking this into consideration, you folks think reinstating my ban is in the best interest of the server, then there isn't anything I could probably say or do to change that.

[NickFLR]

I forgot to mention how I think some of those 5 kills may have been the group of slime people I bombed, I don't know for sure however

[NickFLR]

wait, forgot to attach the screenshot, my bad, is it possible to edit in the screenshot now?

[Timberpoes]

To briefly address a part of your appeal regarding murderboning, the ban note references "... in a 15 person round...":

Round 218975, made his objective "Detonate 20 maxcaps" and bombed areas in a 15 person round, being responsible for the deaths of 5 people and only being stopped because he was killed ...

While you are correct that on LRP players can murderbone, there is one LRP restriction against lowpop murderbone hidden away in our headmin rulings:
Headmin Rulings: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings
Direct reference: viewtopic.php?p=620077#p620077

Lowpop Murderbone

We welcome admins to note lowpop murderbone at their discretion. Repeated notes may result in bans.

While we have no definition for lowpop and every admin has a different idea, a generally accepted approach is to consider the security presence that shift to decide whether an antag on these lower pop counts is providing a reasonable challenge or is slaughtering Bambis.

Generally this means the best approach to challenge any admin discretion to note/ban for lowpop murderbone is by comparing pop count to security level via the public logs for the shift, namely the manifest log file, and trying to point out your antag actions were proportionate compared to the security presence in the shift.

[Edit]It is possible for antagonism to be proportionate to a 0 security presence even on low pops. The admin team doesn't expect antags to do nothing on lowpop, but we do ask they steer clear of depopulating the station for "just because they can"-style reasons.

If your ban was for your actions during Round 218975, https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... nifest.txt would be the manifest log for that shift.

[NickFLR]

Alright, thats useful, I dunno if this would potentially make this a bit more in my favor for trying to defend myself, but I was the only traitor on the station, thus meaning that if any other person saw me doing anything antagonistic, they could validhunt me, which has happened in the past. In my personal perspective, the idea that it can be turned into a "Crew vs. Single Antag" but not a "Single Antag vs Crew." just seems a bit odd to me, I dunno though, my personal opinion. Would like to hear other input on that however.

[NickFLR]

And to add onto the proportionate antagonism thing, while yes, I acknowledge that most shifts turn out to be a "no security crew" however often times people take the job of security to replace it, like the whole validhunting thing I said before, and I'm not meaning like you do something out in the open someone sees it and they stop it, I mean like they will actively search out people and patrol the station with a butchers cleaver and a stunprod.

[NickFLR]

Also, genuinely apricate pointing out that headadmin ruling, I wasn't aware of that, definitely helps clear the water a bit.

[Timberpoes]

Being able to show that, despite the lack of security, the crew had players that were acting as security is also generally persuasive.

More weight is put on things you knew IC at the time you did whatever you were noted or banned for, and very little weight is put on things that you discovered later on or after the shift ended.

[NickFLR]

I'd have to scrub the logs to see if it was ongoing during the current round, however, I've seen the security armory often get raided for guns and armor by non sec people looking to validhunt many times before, I know this may not carry as much weight but if you see something ongoing in most rounds, you start to generally think thats the basis of whats going to happen, sort of like how people often times associated me with bombings, because I was known for most of my antag rounds blowing stuff up. (Not inherently for just bombing during murderboning, places like in the emergency shuttle, at centcom, for assassination objectives, etc)

[Archie700]

This is going to be a long post.

I'm going to remove the "f-slur" from the note since you gave a good enough justification per rule 11 for using in on yourself. The "homo squad" is more suspicious but it seems it was just an isolated comment on something and not a pointed insult, so I'll remove it as well. However, you should really cool it on making offensive comments, since you've been noted for offensive rule 11 behavior twice.

As for the murderbone...

You have been warned against lowpop murderbone before by Richie9999 and your actions that round were very much disproportionate to the station, which had no security throughout and only 15 crew, including latejoins and suicides.

The ticket from Richie9999.

This was your custom objective:


From the game logs on the bombings (trimmed):

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[2023-11-17 23:24:06.238] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Cargo Bay (70,150,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).
[2023-11-17 23:24:06.368] GAME: *no key*/(Marcos Topeeth) *no key*/(Marcos Topeeth) is no longer owning mob Marcos Topeeth(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Cargo Bay (71,150,2))
[2023-11-17 23:24:06.369] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[2023-11-17 23:24:25.179] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Medbay Treatment Center (85,103,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).

[2023-11-17 23:26:40.056] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Mathias4044/(Fulcrifera Vittata) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2023-11-17 23:28:20.907] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Bar Lounge (138,130,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).
[2023-11-17 23:28:21.100] GAME: *no key*/(Mr.Honk) *no key*/(Mr.Honk) is no longer owning mob Mr.Honk(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Bar Lounge (138,131,2))
[2023-11-17 23:28:21.101] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: REEEEEE0129/(Mr.Honk) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2023-11-17 23:28:21.213] GAME: *no key*/(Cochylimorpha Moffuchi) *no key*/(Cochylimorpha Moffuchi) is no longer owning mob Cochylimorpha Moffuchi(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Bar Lounge (137,130,2))
[2023-11-17 23:28:21.214] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Begginer43/(Cochylimorpha Moffuchi) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[2023-11-17 23:28:24.835] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Bar Lounge (135,129,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).
[2023-11-17 23:28:24.888] GAME: *no key*/(Aine Vercingetora) *no key*/(Aine Vercingetora) is no longer owning mob Aine Vercingetora(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Bar Lounge (135,129,2))
[2023-11-17 23:28:24.889] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Caption-Alkali/(Aine Vercingetora) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[2023-11-17 23:28:33.436] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Service Hallway (134,118,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).

[2023-11-17 23:28:40.481] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Greater Starboard Maintenance (152,121,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).

[2023-11-17 23:28:55.380] GAME: Explosion with size (2, 3, 3, 3) in (Central Primary Hallway (93,116,2)).  Possible cause: the plasma tank. Last fingerprints: nickflr/(Nyle Abdallah).

The resistance you got was very little, with only a slimeperson xenobiologist actually making an effort to resist against you:

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[2023-11-17 23:23:37.738] ATTACK: RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) shoved NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 100)  (Cargo Bay (70,149,2))
[2023-11-17 23:23:40.300] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (70,149,2))
[2023-11-17 23:23:42.978] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (69,150,2))
[2023-11-17 23:23:43.955] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) with into the materials market crate - #1435 (locker/crate) (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (69,151,2))
[2023-11-17 23:23:47.663] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (70,154,2))
[2023-11-17 23:23:48.640] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) with into the materials market crate - #1435 (locker/crate) (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (69,157,2))
[2023-11-17 23:24:05.112] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) has thrown the bomb  (Cargo Bay (68,146,2))
[2023-11-17 23:24:05.292] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) threw and hit RedderBread/(Marcos Topeeth) with the bomb (NEWHP: 92.3)  (Cargo Bay (68,146,2))

[2023-11-17 23:24:24.131] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) has thrown the bomb  (Medbay Treatment Center (85,101,2))
[2023-11-17 23:24:24.372] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) threw and hit Mathias4044/(Fulcrifera Vittata) with the bomb (NEWHP: 95)  (Medbay Treatment Center (85,100,2))

[2023-11-17 23:28:54.367] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) has thrown the bomb  (Central Primary Hallway (91,116,2))
[2023-11-17 23:28:54.383] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) threw and hit Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with the bomb (NEWHP: 100)  (Central Primary Hallway (91,116,2))

[2023-11-17 23:29:17.223] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Security Locker Room (Security Locker Room (111,172,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:17.339] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Swebster92/(Helium XII) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Locker Room (111,172,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:17.689] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Security Locker Room (Security Locker Room (111,170,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:18.196] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Security Locker Room (Security Locker Room (111,171,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:21.819] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Brig (Brig (116,166,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:23.326] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Security Locker Room (Security Locker Room (111,170,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:23.684] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Security Locker Room (Security Locker Room (111,170,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:27.718] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [Gear Room] with 9mm bullet from Brig (Brig (112,166,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:27.721] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Swebster92/(Helium XII) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 55)  (Brig (112,166,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:27.724] ATTACK: Swebster92/(Helium XII) suffered: Hairline Fracture to head | Damage: 28.6875 (rolled 72/109.842) (Brig (112,167,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:27.935] ATTACK: Swebster92/(Helium XII) fired at [floor] with the beanbag slug from Brig (Brig (112,167,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:28.636] ATTACK: Swebster92/(Helium XII) fired at [floor] with the beanbag slug from Brig (Brig (113,167,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:28.790] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Swebster92/(Helium XII) with 9mm bullet from Brig (NEWHP: 10.2)  (Brig (116,165,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:29.431] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Brig (Brig (119,165,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:34.095] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shoved Swebster92/(Helium XII) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 10.6)  (Fore Primary Hallway (102,159,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:37.492] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with double-barreled shotgun (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -4)  (Fore Primary Hallway (105,159,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:39.773] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with double-barreled shotgun (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -18.8)  (Fore Primary Hallway (106,159,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:40.679] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with double-barreled shotgun (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -30.1)  (Fore Primary Hallway (106,159,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:43.531] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with seclite (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -43.1)  (Fore Primary Hallway (106,160,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:44.760] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with seclite (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -56.6)  (Fore Primary Hallway (105,160,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:45.671] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attacked Swebster92/(Helium XII) with seclite (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -69.9)  (Fore Primary Hallway (105,160,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:46.653] ATTACK: Swebster92/(Helium XII) suffered: Dismemberment Wound to head (Fore Primary Hallway (105,159,2))
[2023-11-17 23:29:46.659] ATTACK: Swebster92/(Helium XII) has died (BRUTE: 248.6, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Fore Primary Hallway (105,159,2))

[2023-11-17 23:36:17.759] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) attacked NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with kitchen knife (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 83.4)  (Cargo Bay (70,146,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:23.267] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) suffered: Rough Abrasion to head | Damage: 9 (rolled 13/21.674) | WB: 5 | BWB: 15 (Cargo Bay (70,145,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:23.271] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) attacked NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with kitchen knife (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 74.4)  (Cargo Bay (71,146,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:28.945] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) attempted to inject NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 75.3)  (Warehouse (81,151,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:28.950] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/epinephrine (10u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/toxin/formaldehyde (3u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/coagulant (2u, 1 purity)) from the epinephrine medipen to NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 75.3)  (Warehouse (81,151,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:28.953] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) injected NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 75.3)  (Warehouse (81,151,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:30.192] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (76,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:30.518] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (78,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:30.862] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Cargo Bay (Cargo Bay (75,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:31.215] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [plating] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Cargo Bay (Cargo Bay (75,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.280] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (77,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.334] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 92.9)  (Warehouse (78,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.374] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) fired at [floor] with .310 Strilka bullet from Cargo Bay (Cargo Bay (75,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.540] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) shot NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with .310 Strilka bullet (NEWHP: 75.4)  (Warehouse (76,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.546] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) suffered: Ruptured Cavity to head | Damage: 35 (rolled 140/145.109) | WB: -45 (Warehouse (79,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.592] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (80,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:34.937] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (81,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:35.288] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (80,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:35.392] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 72.9)  (Warehouse (79,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:37.446] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) fired at [power cell] with .310 Strilka bullet from Warehouse (Warehouse (77,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:40.076] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Storage Wing (Storage Wing (86,155,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:40.394] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Storage Wing (Storage Wing (86,154,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:40.744] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Storage Wing (Storage Wing (85,153,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:41.100] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Storage Wing (Storage Wing (85,152,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:41.452] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) detonated a fuel tank at Storage Wing (86,157,2) via projectile. (Storage Wing (85,151,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:41.584] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Storage Wing (Storage Wing (85,150,2))
[2023-11-17 23:36:45.076] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) Has whispered his final words with -29.9 points of health! (Storage Wing (82,156,2))

[2023-11-17 23:39:47.345] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (101,113,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:47.509] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 100)  (Central Primary Hallway (101,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:47.654] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (100,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:48.003] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (99,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:48.361] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (99,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:48.711] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (100,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:49.057] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [extinguisher cabinet] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (101,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:49.422] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [disposal pipe] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (103,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:49.766] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:49.943] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 80)  (Central Primary Hallway (105,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.143] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (105,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.146] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 60)  (Central Primary Hallway (105,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.503] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (107,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.611] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 38)  (Central Primary Hallway (107,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.856] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) attacked NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with emergency toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (107,115,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.861] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 18)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:50.864] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 18)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:51.219] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (110,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:52.425] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: -2)  (Central Primary Hallway (109,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:52.428] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: -2)  (Central Primary Hallway (109,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:52.977] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: -22)  (Central Primary Hallway (109,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:52.979] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: -22)  (Central Primary Hallway (109,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:53.533] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: -42)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:53.535] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: -42)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:53.932] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: -62)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:53.934] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: -62)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:39:53.935] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) suffered: Dismemberment Wound to head (Central Primary Hallway (109,115,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:03.586] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:03.588] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 100)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:03.907] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [wall] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (125,115,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:03.910] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 80)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,115,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:03.912] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) suffered: Minor Skin Breakage to head | Damage: 20 (rolled 46/66.2891) | WB: -5 | BWB: 5 (Central Primary Hallway (125,116,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:04.260] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [wall] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (125,114,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:04.614] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (125,115,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:04.961] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) fired at [floor] with 4.6x30mm bullet from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (126,116,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:05.067] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) shot Supernova160o/(Teide AX) with 4.6x30mm bullet (NEWHP: 58.2)  (Central Primary Hallway (127,116,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:05.271] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) shoved NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (126,116,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:06.141] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) kicks NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (128,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:06.145] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) shoved NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (128,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:07.440] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grabbed NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) passive grab (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:08.390] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grabbed NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:09.224] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) attempted to neck grab NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) neck grab (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:12.274] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grabbed NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) neck grab (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:13.293] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) attempted to strangle NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) kill grab (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:14.564] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 87.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:15.422] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 71.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:15.425] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) got a stun punch with their previous punch NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 60.9)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:16.323] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) strangled NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) kill grab (NEWHP: 60.9)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:17.138] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 60.9)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:18.194] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 49.8)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:18.996] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 36.1)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:19.856] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 19.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:20.818] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: 5.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:21.634] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -9)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:22.491] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -19.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:22.494] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) got a stun punch with their previous punch NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -33.1)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:23.500] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -33.8)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:24.318] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -45.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:25.176] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -53.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:26.005] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -62.7)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:26.864] ATTACK: Supernova160o/(Teide AX) grapple punched NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) (NEWHP: -70.8)  (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:27.777] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) Has whispered his final words with -80.6 points of health! (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))
[2023-11-17 23:40:27.783] ATTACK: NickFLR/(Nyle Abdallah) has died (BRUTE: 174.2, BURN: 0.8, TOX: 0, OXY: 28.0667, CLONE: 0) (Central Primary Hallway (125,117,2))

In fact the only reason you stopped was because you were killed by him due to a lucky table shove.

I will be clear here, your general history in Basil since you were unbanned is terrible, with 5 notes since your unban showing you're relapsing to the same issues with your playstyle. You have been given multiple chances to improve on your behavior and you still lapse to the same behavior that got you previously perma'd.

In your case, from the logs, you crippled medbay with your bombs, blew up people to the point they were a brain, and were armed with guns in case someone tried to engage you. You were very clearly trying to kill as many people as possible. Coupled with your recent history, this was bumped up to a reinstated perma.

Other people murderboning with seemingly no admin intervention is no excuse for your own actions. Many times, there were either no ahelps sent, no admins to take them, or the situation was sufficiently stacked against them that admins felt it was fine. This can be discussed on policy discussion.

I am not willing to fully unban you, only reduce it to two weeks if you are willing to acknowledge this post and be willing to change. I want you to use that time to reflect on the rules and your behaviour as a whole and understand why you have so many notes.

[NickFLR]

I do apricate the reciprocation of my initial statement on the rule 11 thing, and I am willing to cease my future murder boning. I think in the future for now I might play without antag toggled due to most of my murder boning shifts happening due to me getting bored/not having a gimmick. Although there is one small thing I'd like to suggest is that if possible it may be a good idea to post a link to the head admin rulings on the rules page of the wiki just in case a new player may come on station and roll antag, and unknowingly break a rule.

Thank you for reading my appeal and giving me a chance to reflect on my behavior.

[Justice12354]

Although there is one small thing I'd like to suggest is that if possible it may be a good idea to post a link to the head admin rulings on the rules page of the wiki just in case a new player may come on station and roll antag, and unknowingly break a rule.

While that's a good suggestion, it has already been long ago implemented. Just scroll down through the rules page hahaha
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules#Head_Admin_Rulings

[Archie700]

I do apricate the reciprocation of my initial statement on the rule 11 thing, and I am willing to cease my future murder boning. I think in the future for now I might play without antag toggled due to most of my murder boning shifts happening due to me getting bored/not having a gimmick. Although there is one small thing I'd like to suggest is that if possible it may be a good idea to post a link to the head admin rulings on the rules page of the wiki just in case a new player may come on station and roll antag, and unknowingly break a rule.

Thank you for reading my appeal and giving me a chance to reflect on my behavior.

Alright, I'm going to give you that chance, I reduced the ban to two weeks and changed the note:

Round 218975, made his objective "Detonate 20 maxcaps" and bombed areas in a 15 person round, being responsible for the deaths of 5 people and only being stopped because he was killed. You have been cautioned over lowpop murderbone before and your history before and after the previous perma has not been good. Lowered to two weeks due to appeal, please use this chance to reflect and improve on your behavior.

Take this chance to improve.

[Archie700]

If there's nothing more to say for this appeal, I'll resolve it in a day.

EDIT: Locking and moving