[forgor] Improvedname - Not benifital to the station

[Ezel]

Ban Details
BYOND account: Improvedname
Character name: Lenald Wabbite
Ban type: Unfun ban
Ban length: 3 years
Ban reason: Assisted a changeling (not known at the time) in building a emitter array that stretched from engineering to medbay through hallways, resulting in people being harmed and killed when it was turned on. Please do not build a dangerous laser as a nonantag, especially one that has no safeties.
Time ban was placed: 12:59:09
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 222825 and 222826 (The incident was found 22285 but it got prolonged to 222826 in favor for a faster roundstart)

Reasons for Appealing
Is the reason/note factually accurate and fair?:no
Do you disagree with the admin's interpretation of rules or policy?:Yes
If no, please provide more details:I think being able to help people what they want to construct is ok
Do you feel the ban length or decision to note was unjustifiably harsh?: Yes
If no, please provide more details: Abdul asked how to make X and Y in a round and i helped him make it since i was a engineer and archie telling me to do it on a local server makes no sense i don't care if its a deathray or not i meshed the people that were shot so they got back up and could go to medbay, you could argue im a non antag and that it has no benefit to the station, but i don't see you banning people for running into the supermatter either when its delamming or bombing the antag because both provides no benefits to the station and yet happens all the time, the round deathray start got prompted by an antag which i didn't knew at the time because i thought it was some fucked up prank at first and then i saw he was a changeling and helped to kill him

[Vekter]

The ban was for 3 days, not 3 years.

[Archie700]

Abdul asked how to make X and Y in a round and i helped him make it since i was a engineer and archie telling me to do it on a local server makes no sense i don't care if its a deathray or not i meshed the people that were shot so they got back up and could go to medbay,

For one, you helped Abdul in a project that not only was of no benefit, but was outright dangerous and could (and did result) in player death. I advised you that if you wanted to help him, you either do it "outside the game when talking with him without playing or do it when you're an antagonist."

you could argue im a non antag and that it has no benefit to the station, but i don't see you banning people for running into the supermatter either when its delamming or bombing the antag because both provides no benefits to the station and yet happens all the time

You say I didn't ban people for running into the supermatter or bombing the antag, but in case one, you never ahelped the situation (I literally came into the server because someone ahelped about the emitter lasers, no ahelps about the SM suicide at all) and two, I literally handled a situation where someone narrowly missed bombing a wizard (which again, you did not ahelp but someone else did). We can't punish someone if we don't know what happened and most times, how we know there was an incident comes from ahelps.

the round deathray start got prompted by an antag which i didn't knew at the time because i thought it was some fucked up prank at first and then i saw he was a changeling and helped to kill him

It didn't matter that he didn't reveal himself that he was an antag until later, you aided him in making a project that was obviously dangerous to the crew of the station. The deathray was operational before he was revealed to be a changeling.

This appeal is denied.

[Ezel]

headmin opinion pls thx

[Vekter]

Worth noting:

1. You are able to request that head admins review an appeal that is unable to come to an amicable resolution, however you are not entitled to a review occurring. Efforts must still be made by both you and the banning admin to resolve an appeal regardless of the request for review.

[Archie700]

I understand that you've asked for a headmin review, but here is some additional context that shows that you were more than just a supplier, you were actively aware he was building a death laser:

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[2024-01-26 13:00:55.949] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "the best part about boxes is" (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:00.033] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "you could even expend out here" (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:01.033] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) points at the full tile window (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:01.283] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) points at the �ShadyCigs Deluxe (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:01.535] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) points at the reflector box (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:01.898] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) points at the floor (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:05.332] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "with emitters" (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:11.612] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "and still have them shoot down the hallway" (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:13.103] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) laughs. (Engineering Foyer (79,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:01:39.187] GAME: The emitter turned ON by Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) in Fore Primary Hallway (75,187,2)
[2024-01-26 13:01:39.920] GAME: The emitter turned OFF by Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) in Fore Primary Hallway (75,187,2)
[2024-01-26 13:01:42.305] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "ok" (Fore Primary Hallway (76,187,2))
[2024-01-26 13:02:16.156] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "baiting people into the death laser?" (Engineering Foyer (84,188,2))
[2024-01-26 13:02:18.563] GAME-EMOTE: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) laughs. (Engineering Foyer (84,188,2))
[2024-01-26 13:02:21.816] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "deathray" (Engineering Foyer (85,190,2))
[2024-01-26 13:02:35.273] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "just remember you can't walk over reflector boxes" (Engineering Foyer (84,188,2))

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[2024-01-26 13:07:37.696] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "angle that" (Fore Primary Hallway (78,183,2))
[2024-01-26 13:07:40.905] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "in each direction" (Fore Primary Hallway (78,183,2))
[2024-01-26 13:07:44.844] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "to direct the laser asell" (Fore Primary Hallway (78,183,2))
[2024-01-26 13:07:45.800] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "haha" (Fore Primary Hallway (78,183,2))

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[2024-01-26 13:09:49.578] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "ok do it" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,155,2))
[2024-01-26 13:09:50.125] GAME-SAY: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) "whadya think" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,153,2))
[2024-01-26 13:09:54.734] GAME-SAY: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) "i need more" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,153,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:15.181] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "abdul" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:17.737] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "its a powersink" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:17.943] GAME-SAY: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) "haha" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (113,145,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:23.560] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "no?" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,160,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:27.237] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "it is" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:30.571] GAME-EMOTE: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) points at the floor (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,157,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:31.846] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "there is power" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,160,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:31.903] GAME-SAY: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) "do you have" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,157,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:34.392] GAME-SAY: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) "more reflectors" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,157,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:34.807] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "it drains trough power" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:36.817] GAME-EMOTE: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) points at the floor (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,157,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:37.089] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "real quick" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:37.105] GAME-EMOTE: DoggoTheCrusader/(Kyle 'Bastard' Konoszewik) (mob_3599) points at Abdul Al Qanim (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,157,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:37.466] GAME-EMOTE: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) points at Lenald Wabbite (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,160,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:39.689] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "but your lucky" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:40.365] GAME-SAY: Mazur907/(Abdul Al Qanim) (mob_3410) "ask him" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,160,2))
[2024-01-26 13:10:41.613] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "its on grid" (Fore Primary Hallway (75,162,2))

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[2024-01-26 13:20:11.834] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "i did help them" (Fore Primary Hallway (74,163,2))
[2024-01-26 13:20:17.032] GAME-SAY: Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3409) "because i thought it sounded funny" (Fore Primary Hallway (74,163,2))

(Abdul was the changeling)

Also turns out I can't redact identites.

[Ezel]

yeah and it was a plain laser firing down the hallway in the begin till kyler took one of the boxes(which is the redacted in the logs) and angled them to go trough multiple hallways which was in the same shoes as me

[Archie700]

yeah and it was a plain laser firing down the hallway in the begin till kyler took one of the boxes(which is the redacted in the logs) and angled them to go trough multiple hallways which was in the same shoes as me

Kyler was also punished for his role. And the logs showed you were aware and did nothing to prevent it.

[Ezel]

After some time thinking about it, yea you're right close the appeal

[TheBibleMelts]

here's my review: cool thread, 3.5 stars

[Cheshify]

7/10 I liked the plot twist

[Vekter]

10/10 because I can resolve it.