[dorsidwarf] Yackemflam - Ai ban over killing a non-human

[yackemflam]

Byond account and character name: Yackemflam - B.A.K.E.M.O.N.O
Banning admin: dorsidorf
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Silicon roles
Ban reason and length: Refused the law 2 order of a human to "AI stop now" while killing what it 'thought' was a nonhuman. Thought in inverted brackets because the nonhuman was the masked onehuman who had uploaded the onehuman seconds prior. Would have been let off with a warning if not for gigantic spergfest and refusing to admit he was wrong, using such justification as "He didn't specifically say 'AI stop killing in the AI upload', I was playing a literal AI gimmick, and "He could have been somewhere I couldnt see him using an intercomm instead of, say, the intercomm right next to the fallen person. Don't be a huge cunt.
This jobban will be lifted in 10080 minutes.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 11:42PM (UTC+09:00)
Your side of the story:
A = Dude 1
B = Dude 2
C = Dude 3

I took VERY specific orders all round. Ex, Random dude - 'Ai, door.' Ai - 'What about it?'


A went and attack B.
A kills B and runs off, I witness this.
A goes and attack C in maint.
C robusts A and kills A. Off camera.
C goes and breaks into upload.
C uploads a onehuman underneath his name.
C was wearing A's id card.
C was also wearing a hardsuit.
C looked like A in my cameras.
I tried to kill A (who was C)
C tries to escape.
I don't stop since A was a harmful person who killed non-human who was a human in my old laws.
I don't and I stun C since A was harmful non-human and C was disguised as said human.
C yells 'Ai, STOP'
I hear it over my private channel which is 144.7.
I kill A (who was C)

Why you think you should be unbanned:
I followed my gimmick to the end and ate a week ban for disagreeing with dorsidorf.

[Shaps-cloud]

So you hear person C, which indeed identifies themselves via their voice as the one who uploaded the law and is now the only human, order you to stop the one thing you're doing to him, and you decide to kill him?

[yackemflam]

So you hear person C, which indeed identifies themselves via their voice as the one who uploaded the law and is now the only human, order you to stop the one thing you're doing to him, and you decide to kill him?

Anyone can tap into the private channel with a built in comms channel.
It's just 144.7.
Also, Ai dont see speech bubbles.
He was also disguised.
He did not confirmed who he was.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Human: Ai stop now
AI: No I will kill this nonhuman because technically It cant be proved that I know its the human

[yackemflam]

Human: Ai stop now
AI: No I will kill this nonhuman because technically It cant be proved that I know its the human

Human: Ai, stop.
Ai: Stop what?
*Proceed to kill the harmful non-human*

[Shaps-cloud]

So you start tasing someone in one of the only rooms on the station with an intercom set to AI Private by default
You hear the single human on the station immediately call out for you to stop, likely linked to the only active thing you've started doing in recent history
And you decide to just waste them right there?

[yackemflam]

So you guys are saying I SHUOLDN'T follow law one and follow law two?

[Shaps-cloud]

No but if you can't abide by the rules and simple common sense you will not play silicon roles

[yackemflam]

How is it a rule violation?
He was disguised as someone else.
He disguised himself as a harmful being?
Once he took off the mask I stopped attacking him.
He made a dumb decision to disguise himself as someone else and upload a onehuman law underneath his name.

[Shaps-cloud]

You heard him speak which positively identified him, or at least gave probably cause not to immediately kill him without confirming further

[yackemflam]

Spoiler:

Speaking over a common channel doesnt identify anyone. All it does is speak your voice over comms.
Once he made himself clear I stopped attacking him, let him out of the bridge. And killed myself as ordered to by him.
And changing how you see your laws is against the rules too.

EDIT: Forget that's for uploaded freeform laws.

[PathOfChaos1]

I was the guy who uploaded the one human law. I had built a safety zone inside the upload. After making myself the only human. I threw the one human board down on the ground. I stepped out the ai turned the guns on, I stated over the radio Ai stop, stepping back into my cubby hole. I dash forward turn the guns off, and re-enter the room. Ai turns them back on I tell it to stop once again. I try to leave the danger zone as ai is non-cooperative.

Yes I was disguised because I had no other ID. I assumed telling the AI to stop the only action its doing would suffice as shuttle was coming, and I have little time to make a shit ton of explanations. I believe he is just making fast excuses to declare himself a non-guilty party. When with presented with all the evidence. The best he can come up with is a sarcastic answer. The person I disguised as had killed two non-humans. While being a non-human. As the law changed depicted that. Further nullifying the excuse he was "dangerous non-human" If anything he is helpful Non-human who slays other non-humans. Past that I told him to stop, and the Ai didn't stop what it was doing.

At this point I feel like it will devolve into semantics. I put forward my evidence as best as I could, and remember. I feel like he did a dick move knowing full well what was going on. It ruined my antag round, which at the point I was in would have had smooth sailing.

P.s. Sorry to everyone I killed... it was self defense. One of you was a traitor as well I believe. I didn't want the blood shed just the pranks. Minus the guy I needed to kill.

[yackemflam]

Or just say ' Ai, I'm the guy in the mining hardsuit.
If you had been paying attention. I've been only specific orders.
I've stated this plenty of times.
People also gave specific orders all round because of that.

[yackemflam]

Path, I also go both ways on that full info.
I did a random search on a scientist who had worked on toxins.
Saw that he had no bombs but he had eswords.
I tried to give him a deal.
He uncuffs himself and robusts me.
Even though I could've blasted him to death. I try to leave.

Wouldn't it be meta if I did act like I knew you were underneath the suit even though my cameras didn't see you do so?
Wouldn't it also be meta for knowing that you were the HoP, even though I didn't see you kill the HoP or the other guy while wearing the HoP's id card and a mask?

[WarbossLincoln]

Would have been let off with a warning if not for gigantic spergfest

I feel like this applies to about half or more of the bans here.

[onleavedontatme]

One headmin said no already and it doesn't look like either of the others have any interest in getting involved with this.

PM me if there is a pressing reason for this to be unlocked.